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Jerry Brown: California, Country Facing ‘Regime Crisis’ Similar To The Civil War
CBS LosAngeles ^ | April 10, 2011 | losangeles.cbslocal.com/Dave Bryan

Posted on 04/11/2011 4:02:15 PM PDT by dragnet2

LOS ANGELES (CBS) — While Washington averted a government shutdown this week, California Governor Jerry Brown continues with his budget battles.

The governor may feel like he’s in a recurring nightmare these days. Everywhere he turns with a proposed budget fix it gets shot down.

“If we don’t get taxes, if we don’t get cuts, we’re gonna have a hard time balancing the budget,” Brown said. “Many of the Republicans told me, ‘We’re not taxing and we’re not cutting. It’s your job — you’re the governor.’”

But Republicans who show up to protest at many of the governor’s events these days say it’s Brown who’s not living up to his words.

“Fix it, Governor Brown, and I’ll be the first person that would be more than happy to give you money,” said Robert Ledbetter, who was protesting outside one of Brown’s events.

California Republican Party Vice Chair Steven Baric says Brown is not showing he’s much of a leader.

“He promised he would show true leadership and he’s failing to do that. And if he wants to show true leadership let’s have true pension reform,” Baric said.

this weekend, CBS 2/KCAL 9 political reporter Dave Bryan asked Governor Brown about the criticisms:

DB: Many of the Republicans I talk to say that they’re not convinced that you’re serious about pension reform and about cutting the slack in government, cutting the bureaucracy down. They feel that you haven’t put forward, for example, a meaningful pension reform plan because of your connection to the unions.

JB: They have to say that to give cover to their position, which is ‘No’. Their position is ‘No, we’re not going to help you. We’re not going to do anything. Well, that’s unacceptable. I did propose 12 points of pension reform.

The governor tells Dave he believes the country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War.

This week Brown has been using Civil War metaphors at his public events to describe the deep divisions in California, and the entire country for that matter, preaching with the passion of a born-again that the country is dangerously polarized.

“We are at a point of civil discord, and I would not minimize the risk to our country and to our state. It is not trivial. I’ve been around a long time, I’m a student of history, I’m a student of contemporary politics. We are facing what I would call a ‘regime crisis.’ The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,” he said.


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KEYWORDS: brown; california; demagog; demagogue; divisive; moonbeam
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The interviewer is right...Where the hell is government pension reform? Make it retroactive too...Go back 20 years if necessary and cut everyone on the government teet 30 percent. Do it.
1 posted on 04/11/2011 4:02:20 PM PDT by dragnet2
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The governor tells Dave he believes the country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War.

This week Brown has been using Civil War metaphors at his public events to describe the deep divisions in California, and the entire country for that matter, preaching with the passion of a born-again that the country is dangerously polarized.

On this, I completely agree with Brown.

2 posted on 04/11/2011 4:03:29 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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The governor tells Dave he believes the country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War.

And it hasn't peaked yet....

3 posted on 04/11/2011 4:06:03 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

The “divide” is between those who are paying in to the government and those who are being paid by the government.


4 posted on 04/11/2011 4:07:11 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: EGPWS
The governor tells Dave he believes the country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War.

Reap the whirlwind!

5 posted on 04/11/2011 4:07:24 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: dragnet2
The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,” he said.

Where is Captain Obvious when you need him?

6 posted on 04/11/2011 4:07:58 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: dragnet2

“The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,”

Blame Algore — it started when Gore retracted his concession.


7 posted on 04/11/2011 4:09:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: EGPWS

Actually, it’s barley just started my friend and will continue to slowly escalate as those in government continue to brutally assault the American private sector.


8 posted on 04/11/2011 4:10:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; Travis McGee

Civil War metaphors?

CWII maybe, if things don’t turning around quickly.


9 posted on 04/11/2011 4:10:17 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dragnet2

What are the Vegas odds that Moonbeam goes to New Hampshire to take on Obama? He sounds like the old Jerry - running for POTUS.


10 posted on 04/11/2011 4:10:56 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: dynachrome

“start turning” that is.


11 posted on 04/11/2011 4:11:03 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: EGPWS

Actually, it’s *barely* just started my friend and will continue to slowly escalate as those in government continue to brutally assault the American private sector.


12 posted on 04/11/2011 4:11:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Yes, just like 150 years ago, America is half slave (to socialism) and half free. And the slave half wants to run roughshod over the Constitution and the rule of law in order to further its goal of enslaving everyone.


13 posted on 04/11/2011 4:14:00 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: dragnet2
Actually, it’s *barely* just started my friend and will continue to slowly escalate as those in government continue to brutally assault the American private sector.

We need more of the likes of Governor Walker.

He must feel like he is standing alone in a field politically.

14 posted on 04/11/2011 4:14:24 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: unixfox
Yep..the first time for Moonbeam was a piece of cake. Give the unions everything that they wanted and more and just spend, tax, spend and tax. Now, here's the second time around. Welcome to the new realities, Gov. You and your rat friends have screwed things up, but good.
15 posted on 04/11/2011 4:15:48 PM PDT by JPG ("2012 Can't Come Soon Enough" - Sarah Palin)
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To: dragnet2
1) End all retirement or paid benefits (including vacations) for any elected or appointed state official.

2) Make a flatline subsidy for health insurance for all state employees of $400 a month. Allow employees to choose whatever plan they like.

3) Cap all retirement at $50,000 per year 2011 dollars. Cap any buyouts for retirement, etc at $12,000. Cap all payouts for unused leave or vacation at $12,000.

4) Cut vacations for all state employees to 2 weeks per year.

5) Evict the millions of illegal aliens and their anchor babies from California.

There you go, we can now have the lowest state taxes in the nation.

16 posted on 04/11/2011 4:17:33 PM PDT by kingu (Legislators should read what they write!)
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To: dragnet2

In 1966 Brown’s father tried to link Ronald Reagan to slavery in a campaign commercial. The logic was: Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln was killed by an actor. Reagan is an actor. Camera pans to the face of a little black child with tears in his eyes. This BS did not work in 1966 and it won’t work in 2011. The democrats made this bed, now they can sleep in it.


17 posted on 04/11/2011 4:19:35 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: dragnet2

I wonder how much of a drain the freaking illegal vermin are on the kalifornistan/national budget? Get rid of them and you might free up a couple billion dollars.


18 posted on 04/11/2011 4:23:39 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: dragnet2

He’s setting the stage for government to put it’s boot on our necks like was done to the confederates. Liberals want to tie this into a union (and the unions) vs the rest of us confrontation. He wants to shut us up for good.


19 posted on 04/11/2011 4:23:44 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: dragnet2

More than likely his ‘fix’ is big taxes and small cuts.


20 posted on 04/11/2011 4:27:36 PM PDT by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: dragnet2

More than likely his ‘fix’ is big taxes and small cuts.


21 posted on 04/11/2011 4:27:40 PM PDT by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: La Lydia

Going, going, going Galt.


22 posted on 04/11/2011 4:27:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kinghorse
He’s setting the stage for government to put it’s boot on our necks

Too late my friend.

23 posted on 04/11/2011 4:27:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

In the California of today it is less like the Civil War, more like the Mexican–American War of 1846 to 1848.

The only question: Which side is Governor Moonbeam on?


24 posted on 04/11/2011 4:28:01 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: Iron Munro

That’s one aspect, but the glaring factor here is the government not only enables all that but aids and abets it.


25 posted on 04/11/2011 4:30:41 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; Noumenon; nathanbedford
Brown is exactly correct.

The only thing between us and a full blown regime crisis is an alternative to USG.

The Constitution has been overthrown. The revolution is betrayed.

And, for the GOP and the Democrats, the attitude is, "So? There's not a damn thing you can do about it".

That is, for the present, unfortunately true. But nature abhors a vacuum.

Power is lying on the ground, waiting for someone to pick it up.

Sooner or later, someone will.

26 posted on 04/11/2011 4:31:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: dragnet2

The people against the government.


27 posted on 04/11/2011 4:32:47 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Jim Noble
Brown is exactly correct.

Yup.

28 posted on 04/11/2011 4:33:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Hey Jerry wanted the job (and he can’t say he didn’t know what that job was like). He got what he wanted.


29 posted on 04/11/2011 4:33:38 PM PDT by rod1
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To: dragnet2

Hey Jerry wanted the job (and he can’t say he didn’t know what that job was like). He got what he wanted.


30 posted on 04/11/2011 4:33:46 PM PDT by rod1
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To: Thane_Banquo

“Yes, just like 150 years ago, America is half slave (to socialism) and half free. And the slave half wants to run roughshod over the Constitution and the rule of law in order to further its goal of enslaving everyone.”

Take a map of the US red and blue states. Take a map of the civil war. Notice anything? Then think REAL hard about what you just wrote. Then consider the issue of State’s Rights. Just be a little curious, that’s all.


31 posted on 04/11/2011 4:34:41 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: forgotten man
The democrats made this bed, now they can sleep in it.

For those capable of critical thought, that no longer works and hasn't for many years.

32 posted on 04/11/2011 4:37:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Brown you started this crap with public sector unions...reap what you sowed...


33 posted on 04/11/2011 4:38:04 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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RUN JERRY RUN!
34 posted on 04/11/2011 4:38:15 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: Jim Noble
Power is lying on the ground, waiting for someone to pick it up.

Sooner or later, someone will.

Yes. Yes, they will. An unflinching glance over the history of the last 200 years suggests that it won't bode well for any of us. The will to power - and the desire to harm others without consequence - trumps all.

35 posted on 04/11/2011 4:41:25 PM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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To: dragnet2

>The legitimacy of our very democratic institutions are in question,” he said.

Considering that America is a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy I’d say he is finally getting a clue.

Our founders never intended for our government to be milking and bilking the taxpayers for the sole purpose of
creating an unmaintainable number of cushy government jobs.

Let’s just hope the military stays with American ideals and you pension thieves surrender to American terms rather than lose the hard way.


36 posted on 04/11/2011 4:42:03 PM PDT by soycd
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To: rolling_stone
Brown you started this crap with public sector unions...reap what you sowed..

Uh no he didn't.

I believe that started in the 1950s, in New York City.

37 posted on 04/11/2011 4:43:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dynachrome

Trust me - things will manifestly NOT turn around quickly. There are consequences - dreadful ones - to all that has been done in the name of ‘progressivism’.

It’s a butchers bill, payable in blood.


38 posted on 04/11/2011 4:44:27 PM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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39 posted on 04/11/2011 4:44:46 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: dragnet2

uh California is the state we (I) was talking about 1970;s then shools in CA went from top five to bottom five, union teachers...


40 posted on 04/11/2011 4:46:13 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: SmithL; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; ExTexasRedhead

The nation is certainly polarized, with perhaps 15% up for grabs. The signs were first noticed on election night 2000, when the red state/blue state divide became part of political jargon.


41 posted on 04/11/2011 4:46:39 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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To: kingu
When looking at state budgets, the big, fat, stinking carcass of a moose blocking the road is SCHOOLS! If you get kids out of the schools, fewer buildings and teachers, with their gargantuan pensions, will be needed.

Here is my plan:

** Absolutely get rid of the illegals!

***Allow any child of any age to take the GED or a similar private exam. If they pass, they get an official high school diploma from their local high school. This diploma makes them eligible for the army and college scholarships. To make it extra fluffy. Give them a $2,000 voucher for each year that they finish early. The voucher can be used at any time in their lifetime for post high school education or training.

** Move all sports, theater, arts, and music programs to the county departments of recreation. There should be no requirement whatsoever on grades to participate! Many children stay in school because government has the monopoly on farm team sport's training. Also...These programs create “rah rah” support for the schools in the voting booth. Fewer kids in school mean fewer teachers and fewer buildings to maintain.

** Have qualifying exams for all subjects starting in first grade. If the child masters the subject and passes a government or private exam, the child would be immediately promoted to the next level in the subject(s). This would encourage children to study during the summer and at home. The sooner the child finishes high school and passes the GED the more money he would get for post high school training or education.

** Encourage the expansion of charters, tax credits, and vouchers.

** Encourage the formation of “dame” schools. Allow neighbors to run “homeschools” ( dame schools) in their homes. The zoning and health requirements should be no more onerous than what now exists for day care.

** On the post high school level encourage the use of private qualifying exams. Charles Murray is right! We need fewer kids in college. Even in some of the professions, such as engineering, dentistry, law, medicine, pharmacy, nursing some of the lecture material could be placed on-line. the lectures Qualifying exams would test mastery. The course material could even be free if advertising paid the producers of the course. The result would be fewer kids in college and less need for college instructors and professors.

42 posted on 04/11/2011 4:47:56 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: dragnet2
My, My. One of the stupid SOBs that started first California and then the whole nation down this road doesn't seem to like where it leads. He says he's a student of history but he wasn't a good enough student to see where his brand of “third way” socialist crap was going when he was pumping it for all he was worth, now was he? What an idiot.
43 posted on 04/11/2011 4:49:50 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: kinghorse

“He’s setting the stage for government to put it’s boot on our necks like was done to the confederates.”

It won’t be as easy as it was back then. The elites in the North had all the manufacturing and all the money. The Progressives wanted that war, not the people.


44 posted on 04/11/2011 4:51:00 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: rolling_stone
Brown you started this crap with public sector unions...reap what you sowed..

Uh no he didn't.

I believe that started in the 1950s, in New York City.

uh California is the state we (I) was talking about

Uh, the fact of the matter is it started in NY City and spread like wild fire.

Like this epic illegal invasion from Mexico, it basically started in CA, Texas and the southwest.

It's now nationwide, coast to coast in *every* state.

45 posted on 04/11/2011 4:51:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Democrats own everything in California, especially its FAILURE.

Go ahead, Governor Moonbeam. Do whatever you want. It’s your state you Democrats screwed up. It’s your’s to clean up.

Don’t wait on a Republican to lift a finger. You own the failure. Fix it yourself.


46 posted on 04/11/2011 4:51:57 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I think someone from Gov. Moonbeam’s office is reading FR. Civil War comparisons have been made on here for years.

What does it say when a Rat acknowledges it?


47 posted on 04/11/2011 4:52:16 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Some men DO just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: dragnet2

Start drilling for the damn oil off the California Coast and stop worrying about where the money is coming from, It will be coming from oil revenues.


48 posted on 04/11/2011 4:53:26 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: dragnet2

The governor tells Dave he believes the country hasn’t been this divided since the Civil War.

I don’t go back quite that far, but I see this as much more divided than during the 60s. Much more.


49 posted on 04/11/2011 4:53:37 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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To: jessduntno
Consider this comment from Victor Davis Hanson's latest column, The Razor'sEdge:

California is finished. Whites have been ethnically cleansed out of California. The WSJ reports that Whites went from 80% in 1960 to 40% today. Latinos are now 38%, poised to become majority.

Let us be clear what will happen. Dr. Hanson you will be taxed out of your property. As my family will be out of mine. Latinos don’t own much property. They are poor, having according the US Census Bureau a $16K gap in median household income, and much larger households (twice the size of Whites). Latinos also depend on the Welfare state. Latino girls have kids starting at age 16, routinely, while Whites have kids, mostly only when they can afford them. I have personally observed a Latino family ask for donations from the Charity I do some volunteer work for, in order to fund College expenses for the younger son (the older was in the program I did some work for). They drove up in the latest model Toyota Camry. Its a nicer car than the ten year old one I drive.

Whites are the functional minority in the state of California, and soon the US. We are basically Jews in pre-WWI Germany. Or Dreyfuss era France, whatever you prefer. Entirely predictable, Jerry Brown will follow the people who elected him. And push confiscatory property taxes on ordinary people, to finalize the ethnic cleansing of Whites in California. Then of course heavy taxes on the wealthiest will proceed.

But if I were you, I’d prepare for those confiscatory taxes on your property. You are stuck, unlike a renting Silicon Valley executive, or Hollywood mogul also renting. Therefore you are the easiest tax target. As predictable as the calender — California Latinos want the expansive Welfare state the supports their huge family formation, at the expense of White voters. The numbers have moved their way and its all over but the shouting.

Demography is destiny. California is over, its nothing but Northern Mexico now, and won’t change any time the next century. For Whites, it is time to face the facts and emulate powerful role models: Theodore Herzl, David Ben-Gurion, Moshe Dayan, and Golda Meir. Yes this is distressing. But this is the cost of diversity. Lets be honest — Whites as a minority can only expect the kind of treatment Jews have historically found in Europe. That is just human nature. California belongs to Mexico now, as surely as Gaza does to Palestinians.

Unpleasant, uncomfortable and decidedly unpalatable truths, to be sure, but truths nonetheless. We don't have to like it. Any of it. But we will have to deal with it. Demography is indeed destiny, - Mark Steyn has also said as much in America Alone. Those of us who live outside what will become urban hell-zones will have some hard, hard choices to make regarding the flood of hungry and desperate refugees, ravagers and killers who will be coming our way once the music stops.

Who will you feed? And at what cost?
Who will you take in? And at what cost?
And who will you kill because you must?

50 posted on 04/11/2011 4:54:54 PM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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