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Budget tricks helped Obama save programs from cuts (spending cuts exaggerated)
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Posted on 04/12/2011 8:04:55 AM PDT by quesney

WASHINGTON – The historic $38 billion in budget cuts resulting from at-times hostile bargaining between Congress and the Obama White House were accomplished in large part by pruning money left over from previous years, using accounting sleight of hand and going after programs President Barack Obama had targeted anyway.

Such moves permitted Obama to save favorite programs — Pell grants for poor college students, health research and "Race to the Top" aid for public schools, among others — from Republican knives, according to new details of the legislation released Tuesday morning.

And big holes in foreign aid and Environmental Protection Agency accounts were patched in large part. Republicans also gave up politically treacherous cuts to the Agriculture Department's food inspection program.

The details of the agreement reached late Friday night just ahead of a deadline for a partial government shutdown reveal a lot of one-time savings and cuts that officially "score" as cuts to pay for spending elsewhere, but often have little to no actual impact on the deficit.

As a result of the legerdemain, Obama was able to reverse many of the cuts passed by House Republicans in February when the chamber approved a bill slashing this year's budget by more than $60 billion.

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So, when all is said and done, what do these cuts actually amount to in real spending cuts (and deficit reduction).

Not much, I'm guessing, when the full accounting of this "deal" is done.

1 posted on 04/12/2011 8:05:03 AM PDT by quesney
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To: quesney

Once again conservatives have been silenced by our own majority!


2 posted on 04/12/2011 8:06:12 AM PDT by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: quesney

Who was the Freeper that posted the “Thank you John Boehner” thread last week? Not sarcasm.


3 posted on 04/12/2011 8:09:12 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: quesney

I read someone it’s more like 28 billion.

Either way, the Republicans got played again. I am absolutely disgusted by the lack of leadership and the weakness of this party. It’s embarrassing and infuriating.

I’m not surprised by it, seems to be expected these days.

The GOP is once again squandering the advantage handed to them by the American people. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.


4 posted on 04/12/2011 8:13:08 AM PDT by conservativebabe ("The gonads on our team happen to be wearing skirts."- Rush)
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To: quesney

Cut, cut, cut!


5 posted on 04/12/2011 8:13:42 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: quesney

Who believes ANYTHING coming out of DC anyway?

Were there cuts? Real Cuts? I wonder.


6 posted on 04/12/2011 8:14:56 AM PDT by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: quesney

I have a feeling that this was a typical DC “cut”: Plan to spend $100, only spend $75. You cut spending $25!

Has anyone seen details of this bill yet?


7 posted on 04/12/2011 8:18:52 AM PDT by PogySailor (The ruling class will not go down easily. And neither will their paid hacks.)
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To: PogySailor

In that case, they should plan to spend $100 trillion, then cancel those plans. That’s $100 trillion in cuts. Problem solved.

Only in Washington.


8 posted on 04/12/2011 8:24:29 AM PDT by quesney
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To: conservativebabe

“the Republicans got played again.”

I don’t even know if it’s that- I have a sinking feeling that the leadership simply wanted it this way. They were part of the negotiations after all, and they didn’t exactly put up a fight over any of this.


9 posted on 04/12/2011 8:31:48 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert
You (we) will better understand when Republicans
keep the House, take the Senate, and secure the
Presidency; and 0bamacare stands.

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10 posted on 04/12/2011 8:41:03 AM PDT by Cyber Ninja
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To: Cyber Ninja

The pubbies are so stupid. The rats dig in & they cave. Geeze, these people are afraid of their own shadow. Get rid of left over turkeys like Boehner & put the tea party in control. They won’t compromise with these people. So, how many times are we gonna go through this in the next few years? Many! No real cuts & we get played again. Nancy & Harry must be laughing their butts off.


11 posted on 04/12/2011 8:58:32 AM PDT by Bulgaricus1 (Fill your hand you son...)
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To: frogjerk

I’m just sitting here trying to think of a way, any way, Boehner’s sellout could repulse me more.

Thinking.

Thinking.

Nope; can’t do it. My disgust with him has reached critical mass. Our only hope is to get such a TEA party majority, he’s voted out of the Speakership. Till then, he has been and will continue to be a disaster...for conservatism, anyway.


12 posted on 04/12/2011 9:01:37 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: conservativebabe
The GOP is the party of fear...get this, they are willing to treat us like the frog in the pot of cool water but they are not willing to even take the criticism for closed National Parks to avoid certain destruction. They can't take the heat that will come from the committed socialists and their media allies.

Look at how Trump has riveted our attention. Compare that to the GOP politicians. The GOP needs a leader that will take them by the throat and force them to do what the people want. They are too afraid to do it themselves.

13 posted on 04/12/2011 9:06:08 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Cyber Ninja

“You (we) will better understand when Republicans
keep the House, take the Senate, and secure the
Presidency; and 0bamacare stands.”

C’mon now- you don’t really believe that (self-funding, Karl Rove-approved, New England Rockefeller-Establishment-George W. Bush-endorsed, shoved-down-our-throats) President Romney is going to allow a health care law- modeled on his own law- to stand, do you?

...(Yes, that’s sarcasm)


14 posted on 04/12/2011 9:11:41 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: quesney
It was all a Kabuki Dance with a pre-planned ending.

This “it's the best we could get” is getting a bit old since we all know Boehner, Reid and Obama had already worked out the theatrics.

The big giveaway was them trying to make Planned Parenthood into the pretend roadblock.

15 posted on 04/12/2011 9:16:35 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: quesney; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
Worth reading :
yahoo news: Budget tricks helped Obama save programs from cuts

"Still, Obama and his Democratic allies accepted $600 million in cuts to a community health centers programs, $414 million in cuts to grants for state and local police departments, and a $1.6 billion reduction in the Environmental Protection Agency budget, almost $1 billion of which would come from grants for clean water and other projects by local governments and Indian tribes. The National Institutes of Health, which funds critical medical research, would absorb a $260 million cut, less than 1 percent of its budget, instead of the $1.6 billion cut sought by House Republicans. Family planning programs would bear a 5 percent cut rather than being completely eliminated."

16 posted on 04/12/2011 9:17:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: quesney
I posted last Sat that the GOP had been rolled by the RATS. NEW LEADERSHIP team is required if Conservatives are to be represented.
17 posted on 04/12/2011 9:20:37 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: quesney

I’ve stopped caring. Once the SHTF I’ll be ready. Politicians care about soundbytes and votes. That’s it. Anyone who tells you anything else is selling something.


18 posted on 04/12/2011 9:23:18 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: quesney
Conservative members should refuse to vote for this abomination. Obozo is the devil's spawn - no doubt in my mind.

Throw Boehner out of his "leadership" position.
19 posted on 04/12/2011 9:26:38 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Qbert

Also possible and all of Boneheads posturing was for effect only.

Seriously, R’s are beginning to disgust me almost as much as the Dems do.

Reprehensible


20 posted on 04/12/2011 9:33:55 AM PDT by conservativebabe ("The gonads on our team happen to be wearing skirts."- Rush)
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To: quesney
Don't fall for this crap. This is nothing more than a save-face story for Obama. While I am not happy at all with the amount of cuts given, I do recognize a CYA piece for the benefit of the Imposter-in-Chief. Regardless of what Boehner did, Obama dropped the ball on this one through his inability to lead. And the point of this story is to make Obama look like some brilliant winner when in fact he wasn't even involved in the process.

If the Republicans were smart (big IF), then they would put the executive branch on notice that there would be no raise in the debt ceiling until the next fiscal year starts, so Obama will have to make ends meet with the funds he has until October 1.

21 posted on 04/12/2011 9:36:48 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: conservativebabe

they are saying “just wait until we have both houses and the executive branch” as if that’s a guarantee.

They majorly blew it. They sure will never shut down government in election year. They suck!


22 posted on 04/12/2011 9:43:09 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: All

Boehner was PLAYED!

Republican leadership SUCKERS!

Urge more republicans to vote no!


23 posted on 04/12/2011 9:44:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: hattend

I am very disappointed ,the more I learn about this sellout. I have emailed my congress woman . I am very upset. If this is what we can expect ,we are doomed.


24 posted on 04/12/2011 9:52:51 AM PDT by wildcarduces
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To: wildcarduces

Oh lord people

WAKE UP

GEEESH

I said for the last two weeks this was nothing more than a joke and a slight of hand.

Freepers that actually thought the Republicans were going to cut money or help them out?

PLEEEEAAAAZZZZZZZE

Not going to happen

And you can talk about the “HOPE” of the next budget cutting trillions.

YES YES - by all means - talk among yourselves. Meanwhile I have a bridge to sell you...

WAKE UP

It is over. America will never return to where she used to be. Not without war. Not without revolution.

And good luck finding enough people to help you with that. America has become a lazy hog. Dying hog.

Turn the lights out on the way out.


25 posted on 04/12/2011 10:10:27 AM PDT by silentknight
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To: frogjerk
Who was the Freeper that posted the “Thank you John Boehner” thread last week?

Don't lose sight of the fact that we're literally surrounded by traitors, political hypocrites and those with personal agendas, who have *absolutely* no desire for truth.

26 posted on 04/12/2011 10:11:08 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hoodat

“Don’t fall for this crap. This is nothing more than a save-face story for Obama. While I am not happy at all with the amount of cuts given, I do recognize a CYA piece for the benefit of the Imposter-in-Chief. Regardless of what Boehner did, Obama dropped the ball on this one through his inability to lead. And the point of this story is to make Obama look like some brilliant winner when in fact he wasn’t even involved in the process.”

—It’s going to be a lot less painful and shocking in the end to just admit the truth now, IMHO. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. The ultra-secrecy, broken promises, smearing Conservatives who question any of this, and so forth. I hope I’m wrong, but I think it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better with these people.


27 posted on 04/12/2011 10:17:05 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: hattend

Proof again that secession is the only answer.


28 posted on 04/12/2011 10:30:22 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: quesney

Oust Bohner and replace his weepy crying butt with Paul Ryan.


29 posted on 04/12/2011 11:01:36 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: PogySailor; quesney
I have a feeling that this was a typical DC “cut”: Plan to spend $100, only spend $75. You cut spending $25! Has anyone seen details of this bill yet?

Yup.

There was no 2011 budget "cut" relative to the 2010 budget. The only thing that was cut was a small amount of money from Obama's failed budget proposal that the Democrats rejected during the last congress.

This is the biggest and most deficit ridden budget in US history, and that includes even the "stimulus" soaked budget of 2010.

Boehner's scam is that he chopped $100 billion off of a failed, exorbitant Obama budget proposal, that wasn't even introduced, and never would have passed during the last Democrat congress.

If Boehner was so afraid of a government shutdown, because of the military, he could have honestly stated that there was nothing that he could do, that there was no real budget cuts, and that people should elect more Republicans in 2012 to resolve the problem.

Or he could have called Obama's bluff on the shutdown.

But that's not what Boehner did. Instead he deceives the public and in exchange he gets nauseating praise from the media.

Your description above of what happened nails it, and the Boehner Bots who infested this website this past weekend need to wake-up.

30 posted on 04/12/2011 11:07:33 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: quesney

Republicans and Democrats alike, take note. If the budget doesn’t get under control REAL SOON, you will need a new job next year.


31 posted on 04/12/2011 11:16:34 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: quesney

They just keep on trying the patience of the American voter. If they (Dems AND Repubs) thought the Tea Party backlash was harsh this last November, wait ‘til next time!


32 posted on 04/12/2011 11:17:29 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer (Don't tread on us...or you'll pay the price in the next election.)
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To: frogjerk
Who was the Freeper that posted the “Thank you John Boehner” thread last week?

I faced a major storm of criticism on the Congratulations House Speaker John Boehner and Deal falls short of GOP cut pledge; 'As good as we could get,' says Boehner (We lost!) threads when i said that $38 billion was next to nothing and even if it was something, it was all smoke and mirrors that would simply disappear into govt and be spent elsewhere.

They were all saying that this is a great start, but me, I have ultimate confidence in my tagline. I don't expect it to fail me for the foreseeable future.

33 posted on 04/12/2011 11:51:35 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spineless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
and think about something folks.

The $38 billion that this was supposed to "save" would have only paid to allow us the privilege of borrowing $1.3 TRILLION on this year's budget and a further $1.7 TRILLION on next year's.

Not a bad deal if you're a Dem. Give up $38 billion and get to tax ( since the only way that it'll EVER be paid back is through new taxes in the future. 100%+ taxrate new taxes at that! ) and spend another $3 *TRILLION* to give away before the election!!

34 posted on 04/12/2011 11:59:25 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spineless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: quesney

Well .... The GOP should go back to HR1 and make passage of another $40b in cuts ... AND repeal and defund Obamacare ... the price of the debt ceiling increase.


35 posted on 04/12/2011 12:27:17 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: Missouri gal
Seriously? That's IF we make it to "next year"...

At the current rate of drunken sailor (Sorry USN guys; no offense) spending, its game over.

36 posted on 04/12/2011 12:27:47 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Hoodat

“Don’t fall for this crap. This is nothing more than a save-face story for Obama. While I am not happy at all with the amount of cuts given, I do recognize a CYA piece for the benefit of the Imposter-in-Chief.”

This is true... but it is also true that a classic way to balance budget is smoke and mirrors. We need real cuts not smoke and mirrors. if this is true, we gave up quite a bit in the ‘details’.

‘If the Republicans were smart (big IF), then they would put the executive branch on notice that there would be no raise in the debt ceiling until the next fiscal year starts, so Obama will have to make ends meet with the funds he has until October 1.”

We can do even better. No debt ceiling raise unless Obamacare is defunded and spending is capped, with locked-in spending caps for FY 2012.


37 posted on 04/12/2011 12:31:32 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: FreeReign

“There was no 2011 budget “cut” relative to the 2010 budget.”

Not true. The $38b is a real ‘cut’ from 2012. The number off the Obama ‘budget’ was $78 billion, meaning Obama’s original budget was to ramp it up $40 b more.

And the Dems never rejected th ebudget, they just never wrote one in the first place!

“This is the biggest and most deficit ridden budget in US history, and that includes even the “stimulus” soaked budget of 2010.”

True, and a travesty.

This compromise barely starts what needs to happen. we have to do better.


38 posted on 04/12/2011 12:35:12 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: quesney
Federal Government Increased Its Debt By $54.1 Billion During The Week Before Budet Deal To Cut $38.5 Billion For Rest Of Year.

Just keep working. . . ha ha ha hahahahaha. . .

Time for the march on Washington D.C. yet?

39 posted on 04/12/2011 1:10:07 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: quesney

40 posted on 04/12/2011 1:59:35 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: quesney

Played or not played. If demoncrats and the “liberal agenda” want to step all over cuts no matter how small, step all over the constitution well, there WILL be a battle in the end, a mighty bloody one most probably.
The best of economic experts as( I am not one just was told this by a pretty good one that had a “round table down you at or around UCI)I’ve been told, America if it continues DOWN this spiraling path, Obamacom and his com-cronies will have enslaved America to communist interests, defaulted on all loans and ruined the whole infrastructure of America; thus one of two things may happen, a brutal war like in umm Libya, or Greece, or past days of Argentina, or America wakes up which the latter shows not likely soon enough.

Now I’m just the messenger, two years from now give or take( this was 1.5 years ago) they said,”... four years on the outside bubble.” Whatever that means. If totus wins a second election, if we make it to that date, well, they didn’t elaborate how it’ll happen; I wouldn’t understand all of it anyway, but it sounded to me like a catastrophe to the nth degree. Not many country’s in the world would come to our aide, umm maybe none.


41 posted on 04/12/2011 2:00:01 PM PDT by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: not2worry
Once again conservatives have been silenced by our own majority!

The administration also thwarted a GOP attempt to block new rules governing the Internet, as well as a National Rifle Association-backed attempt to neuter a little-noticed initiative aimed at catching people running guns to Mexican drug lords by having regulators gather information on batch purchases of rifles and shotguns.

Let's see if Boehner can get a majority of his caucus to vote for this nonsense and all the other smoke and mirrors.
42 posted on 04/12/2011 2:08:31 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: quesney

We want him to talk about how he will reduce spending. He wants to talk about raising revenues. What an idiot!


43 posted on 04/12/2011 2:43:06 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is a fraud. The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason.)
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To: quesney

Only libs (and, apparently now, Rinos) call a reduction in the rate of increase a cut.

This is part of the nonsense that the Tea Party seeks to eliminate.


44 posted on 04/12/2011 2:49:55 PM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: quesney

Rand Paul says we are spending more in 2011 than we did in 2010. Tell me again how freaking genius the GOP leadership was for getting us these great “cuts”?


45 posted on 04/12/2011 3:25:33 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: conservativebabe

The troops paychecks were hostage to all of this.


46 posted on 04/12/2011 3:42:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: demshateGod
Proof again that secession is the only answer.

Interesting that you bring that up during the sequicentenial. By Jeffersonian thinking we are 130 years over due.

47 posted on 04/12/2011 4:25:40 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW2 now?)
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To: sickoflibs; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.

http://law.jrank.org/pages/7522/Impoundment.html

[snip] ...The current rules and procedures for impoundment were created by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (2 U.S.C.A. § 601 et seq.), which was passed to reform the congressional budget process and to resolve conflicts between Congress and President RICHARD M. NIXON concerning the power of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH to impound funds appropriated by Congress. Past presidents, beginning with THOMAS JEFFERSON, had impounded funds at various times for various reasons, without instigating any significant conflict between the executive and the legislative branches. At times, such as when the original purpose for the money no longer existed or when money could be saved through more efficient operations, Congress simply acquiesced to the president’s wishes. At other times, Congress or the designated recipient of the impounded funds challenged the president’s action, and the parties negotiated until a political settlement was reached. [pnis]

http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/article-2/37-impoundment-of-appropriated-funds.html

[snip] Impoundment of Appropriated Funds — In his Third Annual Message to Congress, President Jefferson established the first faint outline of what years later became a major controversy. Reporting that $50,000 in funds which Congress had appropriated for fifteen gunboats on the Mississippi remained unexpended, the President stated that a “favorable and peaceful turn of affairs on the Mississippi rendered an immediate execution of the law unnecessary... .” But he was not refusing to expend the money, only delaying action to obtain improved gunboats; a year later, he told Congress that the money was being spent and gun-boats were being obtained.628 A few other instances of deferrals or refusals to spend occurred in the Nineteenth and early Twentieth Centuries, but it was only with the Administration of President Franklin Roosevelt that a President refused to spend moneys for the purposes appropriated. Succeeding Presidents expanded upon these precedents, and in the Nixon Administration a well-formulated plan of impoundments was executed in order to reduce public spending and to negate programs established by congressional legislation. [pnis]


48 posted on 04/12/2011 4:28:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Brown Deer
So the RSC is only going to raise the debt another 3.5 trillion (give or take) before the magical ten year plan starts paying off the debt. Color me skeptical (And color the RSC full of solid human waste.)

"Just one more bottle" said the alcoholic.

49 posted on 04/12/2011 4:30:09 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW2 now?)
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To: WOSG
The $38b is a real ‘cut’ from 2012. The number off the Obama ‘budget’ was $78 billion, meaning Obama’s original budget was to ramp it up $40 b more.

Did you mean to say "2010" where you said "2012"?

50 posted on 04/12/2011 5:47:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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