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To: spintreebob

I appreciate your well reasoned and thoughtful response and even agree with much of it, however I have to respectfully disagree with your cavalier attitude in regard to those who break our laws.

I, too, oppose affirmative action, however I know far too many hardworking American citizens, and LEGAL immigrants who have lost their ability to pay their rents because of the abettors of ILLEGAL aliens who stole their jobs. My husband being one of them.

So, while your personal experience gives you your justification for your small government conservatism, my personal experience justifies my position that you are as guilty of aiding and abetting the illegal alien criminals as those employers who hire them over legal citizens and immigrants.


13 posted on 04/13/2011 10:38:14 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

Stole their job? I have a job consulting to Fortune 500. Do I have a property right to that job? If my employer chooses to hire someone else to do the job I currently do should I call the police and have him arrested? Or file a civil suit?

It is the employer who creates the job. Does he have a property right to the job he creates? Or does he literally GIVE the job to the employee and the property rights to it also?

Put aside the legal and philosophical and look at the practical. I live in corrupt high tax Illinois which has lost net 800,000 jobs in the last 10 years. Yet IL employers find it very difficult to find employees who are willing and able to work. Repeatedly in fortune 500 in IL they have funding in the budget for several IT projects. Despite heavy recruiting for six figure positions, they are unable to find enough Americans willing and able to do the jobs. Repeatedly I’ve seen them take 3 partially staffed projects. Kill 1 project. Offshore 1 project. Then spread its people among the other 3rd project.

At the other end I see a need for unskilled workers to clean the offices I work in. There is no education or experieince requirement. Yet it is diofficult to find and of the many unskilled, uneducated Americans who are willing to do the work.

When I suggested to a healthy unemployed HS dropout that he apply for a job laying carpets at $15/hr his response was “I don’t do spic work.” That response is typical of the unemployed. At the high end IT workers tell me: I no longer do mainframe (where the jobs are). I only do new exotic technology where there are no jobs.

So the problem is not someone stealing somebody else’s job. The problem is a mis-match between employers and the unemployed.


14 posted on 04/14/2011 10:33:34 AM PDT by spintreebob
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