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To: Gabz

Stole their job? I have a job consulting to Fortune 500. Do I have a property right to that job? If my employer chooses to hire someone else to do the job I currently do should I call the police and have him arrested? Or file a civil suit?

It is the employer who creates the job. Does he have a property right to the job he creates? Or does he literally GIVE the job to the employee and the property rights to it also?

Put aside the legal and philosophical and look at the practical. I live in corrupt high tax Illinois which has lost net 800,000 jobs in the last 10 years. Yet IL employers find it very difficult to find employees who are willing and able to work. Repeatedly in fortune 500 in IL they have funding in the budget for several IT projects. Despite heavy recruiting for six figure positions, they are unable to find enough Americans willing and able to do the jobs. Repeatedly I’ve seen them take 3 partially staffed projects. Kill 1 project. Offshore 1 project. Then spread its people among the other 3rd project.

At the other end I see a need for unskilled workers to clean the offices I work in. There is no education or experieince requirement. Yet it is diofficult to find and of the many unskilled, uneducated Americans who are willing to do the work.

When I suggested to a healthy unemployed HS dropout that he apply for a job laying carpets at $15/hr his response was “I don’t do spic work.” That response is typical of the unemployed. At the high end IT workers tell me: I no longer do mainframe (where the jobs are). I only do new exotic technology where there are no jobs.

So the problem is not someone stealing somebody else’s job. The problem is a mis-match between employers and the unemployed.


14 posted on 04/14/2011 10:33:34 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
Put aside the legal and philosophical and look at the practical.

Sorry, I can not put aside the legal nor the philosophical because I am looking at the practical.

You are not the one being practical or legal and only philosophical. If your employer hires someone over you, that is his choice, however if he hires someone not eligible to be employed (i.e. illegal alien,) you have every right to call the authorities.

We are a nation of laws and because parts of our government refuse to enforce those laws, law abiding citizens are being harmed.

The Fortune 500 companies in IL have no one to blame but themselves for helping to elect the ones that make it so miserable to work there and so compelling to sit on one's butt and have the working folks pay them.

At the other end I see a need for unskilled workers to clean the offices I work in. There is no education or experieince requirement. Yet it is diofficult to find and of the many unskilled, uneducated Americans who are willing to do the work.

Yet those same companies won't hire educated Americans willing to do the work. Been there, done that. Unfortunately I have learned I can not pass myself off as someone with only a HS education and thus have been unable to obtain employment, and I have tried. And these have been big companies being VERY meticulous about making sure applicants are employable in the US. When 45 people show up for 3 openings, all knowing they have to eligible to be employed there, it sure tells me there are people willing to work.

What you are telling me and what I have experienced tells me a few things: It is easier to mooch off the system than be gainfully employed in Illinois and it is easier to be gainfully employed than it is to mooch of the system in Virginia.

Smaller, less intrusive government works.

15 posted on 04/14/2011 5:08:27 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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