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Spending cuts not expected to dent $1.5 trillion deficit (Boehner blows it)
msnbc ^ | 4/12/2011 | MARTIN CRUTSINGER/ap

Posted on 04/12/2011 7:30:37 PM PDT by tobyhill

The $38 billion in spending cuts agreed to last week won't prevent this year's budget deficit from setting another record high, estimated at $1.5 trillion.

Most of the agreed-to spending cuts either affect future budgets or amount to accounting gimmicks that won't reduce actual spending.

The Treasury Department reported Tuesday that the deficit already totals $829.4 billion through the first six months of the budget year — a figure that until 2009 would have been the biggest ever for an entire year. For March alone, the government ran a deficit of $188 billion.

President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans averted a government shutdown last week by agreeing to the largest-ever spending cuts for a single year. But David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York, said those cuts amount to a "rounding error" in this year's deficit.

The cuts include unspent money from the 2010 census, which is completed, and $2.5 billion from the most recent repeal of highway programs that can't be spent because of restrictions set by other legislation. They also include $3.5 billion in unused bonuses for states that enroll more children in a health care program for lower-income families.

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KEYWORDS: ntsa; stfu

1 posted on 04/12/2011 7:30:39 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Boehner didn’t blow it. He knew exactly what he was doing. The OP(formerly the GOP)has been, lying along with the RATs, for decades to the American people. One of the biggest scams perpetrated by them against the people is the notion we have a two party system. The fact is the OP and the RATs are two factions of one big Socialist Republicrat machine.


2 posted on 04/12/2011 7:32:38 PM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: tobyhill

Just Boehner blows is fine.


3 posted on 04/12/2011 7:33:07 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Defend Liberty

This budget cut will have the same effect on the deficit as peeing on a forest fire.


4 posted on 04/12/2011 7:34:23 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Defend Liberty

Instead of doing the things a government of a Constitutional Republic was intended to do, the Federal Government has become a huge redistribution system.


5 posted on 04/12/2011 7:37:31 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: FlyingEagle
This budget cut will have the same effect on the deficit as peeing on a forest fire.

That's not fair FlyingEagle!!! Wait until the next forest fire. The OP will pee a little more!!
6 posted on 04/12/2011 7:39:12 PM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: tobyhill
To better understand how BIG these cuts are, strip 8 zeros off of each of those numbers that no one can comprehend.

3.5 trillion dollars of spending becomes 35000 dollars and 38.5 billion becomes becomes 38 dollars of cuts.

In other words a spending habit of $35000 is lowered by $38 dollars!

Only Washington politicians can make the argument that this is a BIG cut.....

BTW that is about a 0.1% cut.

7 posted on 04/12/2011 7:39:45 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: tobyhill
This budget reduction "victory" is a pathetic joke. Like most of the GOP.

Their budget "cuts" are tantamount to all of us here skipping buying a single bag of 75¢ chips over the course of a month. It is pure bovine scatology.
8 posted on 04/12/2011 7:40:55 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: screaminsunshine
Instead of doing the things a government of a Constitutional Republic was intended to do, the Federal Government has become a huge redistribution system.

I scratch my head more each day why the Tea Party movement is obsessed with taking back the OP when they have rejected Conservative values for decades. It's the political version of battered wife syndrome by returning to the abuser.
9 posted on 04/12/2011 7:41:59 PM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: tobyhill

We have to clean house and whoever put this worthless drunk in as speaker is part of the enemy as well.


10 posted on 04/12/2011 7:42:11 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: tobyhill

And a child’s sand bucket at the beach is not expected to lower the ocean level. Duh!


11 posted on 04/12/2011 7:42:11 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Defend Liberty

Rush thinks the fastest route to stamping out the Liberals is taking over the Republican Party. If it works it will take about 4 more years. Rush also thinks it does not matter who is the next President in 2012 as long as there is an R next to his name. Maybe Trump is part of Operation Chaos.


12 posted on 04/12/2011 7:47:41 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: tobyhill

FU Republican Party


13 posted on 04/12/2011 7:49:15 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: tobyhill

Only suckers watch TV and only lefty blog pimps like you pimp for MSNBC.


14 posted on 04/12/2011 7:51:08 PM PDT by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: tobyhill

Tomorrow we will learn after the budget deal the new deficit will be $2.3 trillion and the republicans will crow that if they hadn’t saved an additional $500 million it would have been 2.8 trillion.

After the draconian cuts of the Ryan budget it will be down to $5.7 trillion.


15 posted on 04/12/2011 7:52:10 PM PDT by DManA
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To: tobyhill

16 posted on 04/12/2011 7:52:12 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Frantzie
Is that you Boehner?
17 posted on 04/12/2011 7:54:18 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: screaminsunshine

I don’t know about Trump - kudos to him for bringing up the birther stuff I guess, he gains a lot of attention and maybe a few folks will think twice about the Jackwagon at 1600, but here’s the thing - what’s the f’n point? The idiots running the GOP are in bed with the Dems. It’s all a show. Not a one of them stands by any principles. Sure some of the newly elected ones may have gone there with TEA Party enthusiasm.... but when they get there, it’s almost as if they get bound and ball-gagged and get to spend quality time with Maynard and Zed telling them how it really works in DC. The country is speeding into the abyss and these pathetic politicals quibble over $38B versus $61B versus $100B, when what needs to go away is on the order of $30 Trillion!


18 posted on 04/12/2011 7:58:53 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: eeriegeno

According to my calculator it’s .001 percent.


19 posted on 04/12/2011 8:04:20 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: Tuxedo

I’m convinced they’re all evil. What else can explain them intentionally destroying this country.

And I can’t wait for all the “If you vote for a third party you’re re-electing Obama” crowd. I don’t see any difference in the two parties. See my tagline.


20 posted on 04/12/2011 8:06:52 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: Terry Mross

Totally agree - this behavior by Congress shows the two parties are the same now. Both have their extremes, but the Libs in the GOP are running the show.


21 posted on 04/12/2011 8:09:43 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Tuxedo

Right but the elections are every two years. There was good progress in November. Now in 2012 if we can Oust Obama with a Republican, and Primary out a few RINO Senators it could set up the mid-terms in 2014 for the clean sweep. This is not going to be quick no matter how much I wish it was.
If Obama is outed in the next 2 years it would be better for it to be the death of 1000 cuts culminating next summer. That will help destroy a lot of RINOS along with him, and all the Rats that are not in safe Socialist/Marxist Zones.
I think that is what Rush is thinking. Maybe the GOP will nominate someone between a RINO and a Tea Partier.


22 posted on 04/12/2011 8:13:48 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: tobyhill

Lets see, it takes 1000 billion to make a trillion.

So the mismanaged corrupt government has a 1,500 billion budget problem?

Good luck with that.


23 posted on 04/12/2011 8:20:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Yo-Yo

Now that is funny!


24 posted on 04/12/2011 8:21:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Now that is funny!

Nothing funny about it. Rather, it is sad and pathetic. God please help our country.

25 posted on 04/12/2011 8:34:02 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: tobyhill
Pols and povs. Got to discourage their behaviors in no uncertain terms.

26 posted on 04/12/2011 8:36:22 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: Terry Mross

And I can’t wait for all the “If you vote for a third party you’re re-electing Obama” crowd. I don’t see any difference in the two parties. See my tagline.

Do the math. 45% Odumbo
30% Rebub
25% Tea Party (or whatever)

Who wins?

It is a two party system for a reason. Show me anywhere in the world that a three party electorate works. You speak tough but have no facts.

No way will more than about 30% republicans switch to a new party. Only a small percentage of libs and independants would make the switch. Not because of any other reason than sticking with what they know. So tell me how the heck a third party is even considered as an option.

The only answer is to take over the republican party and fill it with conservative ideals and values. Not from the outside in but the inside out. If the line is blurry, then we must fix that.

Call me “If you vote for a third party you’re re-electing Obama” if you want, see if I care


27 posted on 04/12/2011 8:43:27 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Kindness will conquer evil)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Reminds me of the song ALICE’S RESTAURANT. Instead of bringing all that garbage up here it’s easier to throw our little bit of garbage down there.

Either the 25% joins the 30%. Or the 30% joins the 25%. You be stubborn and stay where you are. I’ll be stubborn and stay where I am. And obama will stay where he is. Or you can join us. We tried it your way and joined the GOP and what did it get us? BooHoo Boner as speaker and McConnell all of a sudden against earmarks.

And by the way, if you still believe it’s a “two party” system.....


28 posted on 04/12/2011 9:06:55 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

“Do the math...”

You are quite correct.

My questions for the 3rd partiers are:

-What in God’s name makes you think the new party will be different?

-Is it some magic, patriotic sounding party name?

-Is it a new, heretofore unknown, source of infallible and ever faithful candidates?

Not to mention the simple realities questions:

-Do you realize how much work is involved just to get on all the state ballots?

-What is the strategy to accomplish goals assuming a 3rd party prez and two opposition parties running the Hill?

And the kicker for me is:

If you can’t win a majority of the party which actually has a platform (at least on paper) similar to your views, how on earth are you going to win a majority of the general population, two-thirds of which strongly identify with one of the two existing parties?

It seems to me that if we spent as much time and energy attempting to make the most conservative headway in primary elections, then the goals of the 3rd partiers could be pursued without condemning the nation to more spoiler spawned presidencies.

Remember Ross?

Remember who his siphoned votes helped to become boss?

Twice.


29 posted on 04/12/2011 9:10:28 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: upchuck

You’re right...it’s pathetic.


30 posted on 04/12/2011 9:11:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: tobyhill

And Ryan’s plan to balance the budget some time in the 2030’s calculates the deficit for this year being 1.355 trillion.

Oops. There goes the plan.


31 posted on 04/12/2011 9:14:35 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: tobyhill
I just referred to the Bureau of the Public Debt .gov website and see that the debt has risen by $659,266,944,990.30 since the first day of fiscal year 2011.

The problem is there is no budget for FY2011 so there can be no budget deficit.

Nevertheless, if our little pubbies did cut spending by $38Billion or so...and I'm not so sure about that...the debt will continue to grow until the only folks who can really create a debt ceiling...that would be the lenders...quit lending.

32 posted on 04/12/2011 9:57:27 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: tobyhill
I just referred to the Bureau of the Public Debt .gov website and see that the debt has risen by $659,266,944,990.30 since the first day of fiscal year 2011.

The problem is there is no budget for FY2011 so there can be no budget deficit.

Nevertheless, if our little pubbies did cut spending by $38Billion or so...and I'm not so sure about that...the debt will continue to grow until the only folks who can really create a debt ceiling...that would be the lenders...quit lending.

33 posted on 04/12/2011 9:57:42 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Terry Mross

“We tried it your way and joined the GOP and what did it get us?”

Only a fool would look at the steps America has taken to correct the insane course of the liberals and not THANK GOD that millions of people have opened there eyes and minds to the truth.

How soon you forget the results of last November. Lose the theatrics. All the doom and gloom you purport-rate only makes the rest of us more determined to clean house in the GOP and win on the very principles the GOP was founded on.

And one last thing. If you were Odumbo, how much would you have conceded? Not a cent, I bet. Yet Boener got $38.5b. Not bad huh.


34 posted on 04/12/2011 10:19:32 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Kindness will conquer evil)
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To: BuddhaBrown

History speaks louder than any shouted word. Well said.


35 posted on 04/12/2011 10:24:34 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Kindness will conquer evil)
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To: tobyhill

Bump


36 posted on 04/13/2011 3:43:27 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: screaminsunshine
Rush thinks the fastest route to stamping out the Liberals is taking over the Republican Party. If it works it will take about 4 more years. Rush also thinks it does not matter who is the next President in 2012 as long as there is an R next to his name. Maybe Trump is part of Operation Chaos.

The OP(formerly the GOP) came into power in the mid 1850's. The RATs before that time. The powers of Congress have only expanded far beyond their enumerated powers in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution for nearly 160 years. They have been working together by playing the good cop, bad cop scam with the American people during that time.

If you try to take over one, then you have to take over both. It smacks of logic to think anyone will be able to take over the Socialist Republicrat machine in four years after nearly 160 years of Unconstitutional government expansion. We can't wait four more years! Limbaugh is not the end all and be all of politics. I stopped listening to him long ago.
37 posted on 04/13/2011 3:56:10 AM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: BornToBeAmerican

Where have you been? The truth is Boehner got $2 billion. If you think that’s a correction to what the liberals have been doing, then keep doing what you’re doing.

As for me, I don’t see it as what “the liberals” have been doing. I see it what the DC politicians have been doing. They’ve been cashing in and that includes both parties.

So, if you’re happy with being told $100 billion, then $61 billion then being lied to with $38.5 billion then ending up with about $2 billion, I’m happy for you.

But I’m a little sick and tired of being told “come join us”. My battle cry from now on out will be YOU COME JOIN OUR SIDE or we’ll all go down together. ‘Cause as long as the republicans and the democrats run things, they’ll ruin things. It started in 2000.


38 posted on 04/13/2011 7:12:47 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: Defend Liberty

I get so tired of “Ross Perot gave us Clinton”. Polls showed he took votes away from Clinton and Bush equally. As for me, Perot increased voter turnout by one because I wasn’t going to vote for Clinton and I sure as hell wasn’t going to vote for “Read My Lips” Bush. But of course, I know liberals, and apparently many conservatives, hear what they want to hear.

For those who think the last election accomplished something, look who the “leaders” are. The same ones who were there BEFORE the election. The same ones who still hate Sarah Palin and will try their damndest to get someone like Romney or Huckabee nominated. It’ll take a full blown republican revolution to get the GOP to support anyone but a rino. Rush needs to remember how he’s always ranted about the “big tent”. I guess now he’s willing to move in. That “big tent” will only exist when a bunch of liberals join. Then you’re right back where you started.

So, ya’ll vote the way you want. That’s what this republic is all about. The only one who will EVER get my vote is a true conservative. I’ve only got a few votes left so I’m not going to waste them. And before anyone says “Vote for a third party and you’ll waste your vote”, I’ll remind you I voted for McCain and that really feels like it was a waste! In fact, it’s the only vote I’ve ever regretted.


39 posted on 04/13/2011 7:38:15 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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