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Remembering the Real Ayn Rand
Wall Street Journal ^ | 4/14/11 | DONALD L. LUSKIN

Posted on 04/14/2011 5:46:14 AM PDT by BCrago66

Tomorrow's release of the movie version of "Atlas Shrugged" is focusing attention on Ayn Rand's 1957 opus and the free-market ideas it espouses. Book sales for "Atlas" have always been brisk—and all the more so in the past few years, as actual events have mirrored Rand's nightmare vision of economic collapse amid massive government expansion. Conservatives are now hailing Rand as a tea party Nostradamus, hence the timing of the movie's premiere on tax day.

When Rand created the character of Wesley Mouch, it's as though she was anticipating Barney Frank (D., Mass). Mouch is the economic czar in "Atlas Shrugged" whose every move weakens the economy, which in turn gives him the excuse to demand broader powers. Mr. Frank steered Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to disaster with mandates for more lending to low-income borrowers. After Fannie and Freddie collapsed under the weight of their subprime mortgage books, Mr. Frank proclaimed last year: "The way to cure that is to give us more authority." Mouch couldn't have said it better himself.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atheism; atlasshrugged; aynrand; libertarianism; moralabosolutes; moralabsolutes
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1 posted on 04/14/2011 5:46:16 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: BCrago66
I'm overseas, so I will miss it - my favorite book

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2 posted on 04/14/2011 5:47:39 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: BCrago66

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Rand was a devout atheist, which set her against the movement’s Christian bent. She got off on the wrong foot with the movement’s founder, William F. Buckley Jr., when she introduced herself to him in her thick Russian accent, saying “You are too intelligent to believe in God!”

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She lived her personal life like an alley cat in heat.


3 posted on 04/14/2011 5:59:45 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: BCrago66

Excerpt:

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Rand rankled conservatives by living her life as an exemplary feminist, even as she denied it by calling herself a “male chauvinist.” She was the breadwinner throughout her lifelong marriage. The most sharply drawn hero in “Atlas” is the extraordinarily capable female railroad executive Dagny Taggart, who is set in contrast with her boss, her incompetent brother James. She’s the woman who deserves the man’s job but doesn’t have it; he’s the man who has the job but doesn’t deserve it.”

Yes, she was the ultimate feminist and the ultimate denial of that fact. Sarah Palin would like her ....


4 posted on 04/14/2011 6:01:45 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: BCrago66

An author that is hugely flawed in reality is nothing new. Hemmingway comes to mind, as does Ruark.


5 posted on 04/14/2011 6:05:28 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: BCrago66
Excerpt:

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“Rand was strongly pro-choice, speaking out for abortion rights even before Roe v. Wade. In late middle age, she became enamored of a much younger man and made up her mind to have an affair with him, having duly informed her husband and the younger man's wife in advance.”

Yes, Gloria Steinen and the Demoncrats would LOVE Ayn Rand. She believed in abortion at any time for any reason.

She was also a “cougar” before that term came about. Being the arrogant control freak that she was, having a boy toy that was significantly younger should be no surprise. Nor should announcing her intentions to her husband and the wife of her boy toy to have the affair.

As I mentioned, she had the morals of an alley cat in heat.

6 posted on 04/14/2011 6:07:12 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Yes, Gloria Steinen and the Demoncrats would LOVE Ayn Rand.

The would if abortion was the whole ball of wax.

Is it?

7 posted on 04/14/2011 6:09:46 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: stylecouncilor

Rand ping


8 posted on 04/14/2011 6:10:43 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: BCrago66
When Rand created the character of Wesley Mouch, it's as though she was anticipating Barney Frank (D., Mass).

And Balph Eubanks (that's Balph!) anticipated Ron Schiller, although Ayn Rand didn't anticipate James O'Keefe.

9 posted on 04/14/2011 6:11:59 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: BCrago66
Ayn Rand is NOT a fellow traveller with American conservatives, folks.

The things where we agree with her (you know, the "Go Galt" stuff, the stuff about making more laws so as to make more criminals, smaller gov't in general) we already knew - we didn't need her to suddenly enlighten us as to them.

The places where she was off, she was WAY off.

10 posted on 04/14/2011 6:13:08 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Steely Tom

Oops. It’s Balph Eubank. I got him mixed up with Bob Eubanks, another societal development not anticipated by Ayn Rand.


11 posted on 04/14/2011 6:16:13 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

You know less than you think you know.


12 posted on 04/14/2011 6:17:37 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: expatguy

Blog pimp


13 posted on 04/14/2011 6:18:02 AM PDT by camerongood210 ( Matthew 24)
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To: BCrago66
You know less than you think you know.

Sure.

We ALL know less than we think we know. Ayn Rand most definitely included.

14 posted on 04/14/2011 6:18:33 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: tacticalogic

TL, you is a gooooood boooah.


15 posted on 04/14/2011 6:19:03 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

To elaborate a bit before a go to work late: To say that “we” don’t need Ayn Rand is like the greeter at Walmart saying we never needed Sam Walmart. There are relatively few intellectuals who advance the ball toward liberty in a significant and permanent way. Ayn Rand was one of them - one of a handful of thinkers in the 20th century about whom one could make that claim.


16 posted on 04/14/2011 6:22:00 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
It's good to know you think so.

The S is going to HTF one of these days, and it'll be time to decide who you can trust your back to.

17 posted on 04/14/2011 6:23:40 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: BCrago66

Well, okay, if you say so. I mean, sure, okay, if you want to believe the premise that nobody knew about liberty before Ayn Rand, go right ahead. I’m still not entirely sure Ayn Rand really knew what liberty - true liberty - was actually all about.


18 posted on 04/14/2011 6:25:34 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: tacticalogic
How about her atheism?

Is that good too?

Being the ultimate feminist and being rabidly PRO CHOICE - abortion at any time for any reason - MATTERS! It is a glimpse into the CHARACTER of the woman or in her case the LACK THEREOF of CHARACTER. When she devalues human life like this, can you really trust her judgment on other issues? OF COURSE NOT! This was shocking in her day and should be today as well. I see from your reply, it doesn't matter. How about her “cougar” activity?

Simply exposing cronyism capitalism should NOT be the quintessential selling point. Obama will be doing that with the former GE CEO. It doesn't take an Ayn Rand to champion that. All Ayn Rand was about was SELFISH individualism. She had NO MORALS. Money was her god. Is that your god too? She didn't like Reagan because he was not a laizefarie capitalistic as she was. She adamantly disagreed with the Viet Nam war - like Jane Fonda. Allan Greepspan was part of her inner circle. He was a Democrat. Ayn has MORE in common with Demoncrats that conservatives. Today she'd be better classified as a LIBERALtarian.

19 posted on 04/14/2011 6:26:07 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: tacticalogic

So you think it’s all going to end up collapsing one day?


20 posted on 04/14/2011 6:26:34 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: BCrago66; nmh

I just, this week, finished “Atlas Shrugged”. It has some very prescient sections. I am starting on “The Return of the Primitive” today and will read “The Fountainhead” next.

I found that she injects herself into the book as Dagny Taggert and narcissisticly (izzat a word?) proposes that every man should fall in love with her because of her great mind. Inn that sense, she was a true feminist in the mold of “love me for my mind, not my body” clap-trap.

That said, Rand, herself believes the human mind to be source of all good and advancement(humanist belief). As others have said, she is not a friend of Christians.


21 posted on 04/14/2011 6:28:05 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Ignore the dopes.

They WANT to see Ayn Rand as their savior.

They do NOT want to see how out of step she is with conservative ideals. They lack principles as she does. They could care less about little babies being murdered everyday through abortion. To them, MONEY is all that matters. They are sick people - just as she was a SICK, SELFISH person who sorely lacked character.

22 posted on 04/14/2011 6:30:11 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
she was a true feminist in the mold of “love me for my mind, not my body” clap-trap.

And if you've ever seen a picture of her, you'll understand why.

23 posted on 04/14/2011 6:30:26 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I think it’s going to get mean and ugly. Whether it collpses or not will depend on who survives it.


24 posted on 04/14/2011 6:30:34 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: nmh
Yes, she was the ultimate feminist

The whole book was about chasing some guy across the country.

25 posted on 04/14/2011 6:33:18 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: tacticalogic

Make sure you have:

A support network of people in your area who can band together if/when it happens.

Plenty of food, WATER, medical supplies, etc.

Sufficient ammo and firearms (but really, don’t go overboard)

A plan for what to do when it happens, worked out by aforementioned support network. Know what’s defensible, where people need to congregate to live, and what you’re going to do about outsiders.


26 posted on 04/14/2011 6:35:58 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
“I found that she injects herself into the book as Dagny Taggert and narcissisticly (izzat a word?) proposes that every man should fall in love with her because of her great mind. Inn that sense, she was a true feminist in the mold of “love me for my mind, not my body” clap-trap.”

Yes, she was VERY narcissistic and very SELF CENTERED. Her mind was a failure but she thought the opposite. I disagree on the “love me for my mind and not my body”. She didn't care who she bedded. Decent men avoided her and it wasn't because she was unattractive. It was because she was COLD wrapped up in herself. This is another reason why she was what we call today a “cougar”. She had to have her young boy toy and ANNOUNCE it to her husband and the wife. A young guy was someone she could CONTROL. Her inner circle eventually abandoned her later in her miserable life.

“That said, Rand, herself believes the human mind to be source of all good and advancement(humanist belief). As others have said, she is not a friend of Christians.”

Yes, she was the humanist. She only believed in herself and HER views. It's interesting, most people that flee a Communist country and in her situation, Russia, FIND GOD. Ayn went out of her way to reject Him and replace Him with money and her humanistic ideals. She was a failure in life.

27 posted on 04/14/2011 6:37:02 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
Polarization is a well known rhetorical mechanism that presents an issue as an "all or nothing" proposition, calculated to evoke an emotion knee-jerk reaction.

It doesn't work on everyone.

28 posted on 04/14/2011 6:38:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
I think it’s going to get mean and ugly.

Oh c'mon, if you can't find anything nice to say about Mizz Rand...

29 posted on 04/14/2011 6:38:49 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Tribune7

As the article indicated and others have stated, Ayn Rand was the “mind” being sought in her characters.


30 posted on 04/14/2011 6:40:03 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I’m pretty far out in “flyover country”. We’re about halfway off the grid on a normal day.


31 posted on 04/14/2011 6:40:39 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Tribune7

As the article indicated and others have stated, Ayn Rand was the “mind” being sought in her characters. You have to read up on her PERSONAL life and see the symbolism in her characters. Then you will understand what she is saying in her stories. It’s ALL about HER.


32 posted on 04/14/2011 6:40:56 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: tacticalogic

Well, yeah, I mean, you live in Missouri. Remind me again, have they gotten running water in that state yet?


33 posted on 04/14/2011 6:42:30 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Oh c'mon, if you can't find anything nice to say about Mizz Rand...

I think I'll just wander around the bandwagon for a bit and see if the wheels look firmly attached before I climb on, thank you.

34 posted on 04/14/2011 6:44:00 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Hey, you said it, not me!


35 posted on 04/14/2011 6:44:47 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Well then, whatever “it” was has been said.


36 posted on 04/14/2011 6:47:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
“Polarization is a well known rhetorical mechanism that presents an issue as an “all or nothing” proposition, calculated to evoke an emotion knee-jerk reaction.
It doesn't work on everyone. “

I'm not sure which direction you are coming from in that remark. I will say this that when OBVIOUS right is wrong, there is a problem. For example, when a little human being is aborted for totally SELFISH reasons and that is why abortion happens, it is WRONG. It is also a polarizing issue but the truth is that it is WRONG. Acknowledging right and wrong today repulses people and their “knee jerk” reaction is to look for “red herrings” so they can rationalize it away or simply not deal with it.


Using THAT issue, of abortion, has truly changed the moral landscape of our country. It is a trickle down of degradation of human life - young and old.

It has had huge ramifications and has hastened more moral decline in our country. So is abortion polarizing? Yes. Is it an "all or nothing" proposition? Yes. Either the little human being lives or it dies. Should abortion be ILLEGAL, again? Yes. Err on the side of life. If others insist on "back alley" abortions - so be it. I can NOT support evil so they can SAFELY have an abortion.

37 posted on 04/14/2011 6:48:12 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: tacticalogic

BTW, I’m just kidding about Missouri - I’m a Missourian expat, born and raised around Kansas City.


38 posted on 04/14/2011 6:48:25 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: nmh

You have made me very curious about Ayn Rand. Are there any pictures of her?


39 posted on 04/14/2011 6:50:38 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: nmh

If it’s an all or nothing proposition, you have to be prepared to accept nothing if you can’t have it all.


40 posted on 04/14/2011 6:59:40 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
And if you've ever seen a picture of her, you'll understand why.

I have and that is a road I did not want to travel.

41 posted on 04/14/2011 7:06:13 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: nmh
So she was an atheist. We have freedom of religion in this country and she was free to be an atheist. So she was less than perfect in her personal like...we all are.

While her moral don't match your own simply calling her immoral is wrong. Calling enlightened self interest selfishness misses the entire point and demonstrates your overly simplistic understanding of Rand.

Calling anyone a "liberaltarian" is the same thing as calling tea party people "teabaggers". Apparently your morals don't require you treat anyone that disagrees with you any common decency or simple respect. Say what you want about Ayn Rand but she would have at least debated a point with you using reason and logic rather than name calling and attacks on your character.

42 posted on 04/14/2011 7:39:32 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus; nmh
Calling anyone a "liberaltarian" is the same thing as calling tea party people "teabaggers".

Now, granted, I don't know much about their intra-community behaviour, but I didn't know that homosexuals engaged in a practice called "liberaltarianing"...

43 posted on 04/14/2011 7:42:06 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
BTW, I’m just kidding about Missouri - I’m a Missourian expat, born and raised around Kansas City.

I've been there. Was glad to go home.

44 posted on 04/14/2011 7:53:02 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Ditter

Just google

45 posted on 04/14/2011 8:02:52 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (MadelineAlbrightZapeezda)
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To: Ditter
Ewww...cougar????


46 posted on 04/14/2011 8:06:03 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (MadelineAlbrightZapeezda)
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To: nmh

I’m no fan.


47 posted on 04/14/2011 8:07:52 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MadelineZapeezda

She’s very masculine, imho.


48 posted on 04/14/2011 8:12:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BCrago66
Rand was in no way an intellectual. She was the product of a commie diploma mill and was not even conversant enough in the language of philosophy to correctly name her plagiarized version of Nietzsche. A philosophy, such as hers, which claims that truth, especially moral truth, is particular to each individual according to their own wants or needs is necessarily subjective. Rand denounced any belief in an overarching, universal (that is, truly 'objective') truth as "superstition".
49 posted on 04/14/2011 8:17:16 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: MadelineZapeezda

I forget I can do that until after I ask! LOL!


50 posted on 04/14/2011 8:21:43 AM PDT by Ditter
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