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Philippine Priest In Ancient Battle With 'Demons'
AFP via Yahoo News ^ | 14 April 2011 | Jason Gutierrez

Posted on 04/14/2011 7:44:56 PM PDT by edpc

MANILA (AFP) – A blood-curdling scream echoes through the Roman Catholic chapel in Manila as Father Jose Francisco Syquia says a prayer of exorcism over a Satanic cult member believed to be possessed by the devil.

"It's very painful," the woman cries in an unearthly voice, her body contorting in an attempt to break free from the tight grasp of Syquia's assistants. After a few minutes she falls silent, her limp body exhausted.

The case is among hundreds documented on video and kept by Syquia, who heads the Manila Archdiocese's Office of Exorcism -- the only one that exists in the Catholic nation of 94 million people.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholicism; exorcism; philipines; possession; religion
"She would have levitated had she not been restrained," Syquia said of the woman in the video, portions of which were shown to AFP during a rare interview at his office in the basement of a seminary in Manila.

While non-believers often joke about the devil, and demonic possessions are trivialised by Hollywood, Syquia insisted the torment suffered by those he had healed was real.

I won't totally dismiss the concept, but this article didn't help convince me.

1 posted on 04/14/2011 7:45:03 PM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

Maybe we can hire him to do the White House.


2 posted on 04/14/2011 7:48:29 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

That movie got old in the 80’s


3 posted on 04/14/2011 7:49:25 PM PDT by Flavius (A)
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To: edpc


4 posted on 04/14/2011 7:55:50 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: edpc

Most people never recognize or confront demons, so it is easy to dismiss them. Jesus sure believed in them. I surely do, because my own mother walked around with one or two the better part of her life. In her old age I brought her to live with me, the demon attacked me with super human strength and I too saw it in her eyes. It was chilling, but I had the armor of God and rebuked it in Jesus’ name and demanded it leave my mother. For the first time in years, I felt like I had my mother back. Demons seek out the vulnerable and those who invite them in.


5 posted on 04/14/2011 8:06:36 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: edpc

Deeply religious people in that country!


6 posted on 04/14/2011 8:08:48 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: edpc

The movie the Exorcist was based on a true story - but it was a boy in the midwest.


7 posted on 04/14/2011 8:12:10 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: WVNan

I have had a few visits myself.

God bless your courage an strength.


8 posted on 04/14/2011 8:15:49 PM PDT by the crow (If I don't have a right to play defense, then I'll go on offense. - Enterprise)
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To: edpc
You might want to read the book, The Rite. Avoid the movie though. It was really lousy.
9 posted on 04/14/2011 8:24:17 PM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")
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To: Domestic Church

The boy’s aunt and him played with a Quija board. Folks best be careful about opening up the gates to the dark side.


10 posted on 04/14/2011 8:31:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: edpc

I won’t totally dismiss the concept, but this article didn’t help convince me.

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A very drama addicted culture, too.


11 posted on 04/14/2011 8:57:19 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: WVNan

I understand.


12 posted on 04/14/2011 9:24:01 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: edpc

Scott Peck who wrote “The Road less Traveled” also wrote about the existence of evil and excorism called “The People of the Lie.” It was very good.


13 posted on 04/14/2011 9:28:34 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: edpc
Any of you considered the physics of angel and demon bodies? Are they made of a different kind of matter and energy? Do they live in another dimension and cross over into ours? How do their minds work I wonder?

I am thinking about the chain of being.

Animals are conscious of their world through senses, but are not self aware (not aware of their own consciousness).

Humans are able to be conscious of our own consciousness, making us self aware. Humans have direct access to their own mind, or can observe their own thoughts, but can only infer what is going on in another person's mind.

Demons and angels are self aware, conscious of their own mind AND are able to have direct access to the consciousness of other beings. See CS Lewis' Screwtape Letters.

God has direct access to the conscious of all minds in all universes (and perhaps all alternative multi-verses). Prayer is permitting God's mind to enter ours and transform it, raising it to a higher level -- sort of like we do with pets when we humanize them. By interacting with dogs or cats, we raise them a little bit to our level of awareness. Talking to God gives us his perspective.

14 posted on 04/14/2011 9:51:52 PM PDT by garjog
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To: the crow

Keep on the armor of God.


15 posted on 04/14/2011 10:11:00 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: edpc
Growing up in a modern household, he and his four brothers did not believe in possessions -- which were made famous in the 1970s Hollywood film "The Exorcist". But Syquia said he had always been fascinated by paranormal activities and devoured entire books on the subject.

Hard to understand how someone could be fascinated by the paranormal but not believe in possessions.

16 posted on 04/14/2011 10:13:09 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Terry Mross

I didn’t say, but that’s what happened to my Mom. Quija board. Very bad news because it does invite the demons in. It’s the perfect opening for them.


17 posted on 04/14/2011 10:14:33 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: garjog

The Scripture says they are the fallen angels that satan took with him when he was kicked out of heaven.


18 posted on 04/14/2011 10:19:30 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: garjog
Do they live in another dimension and cross over into ours?

I suspect that is it. Our immortal soul may also be a component of our physical existence which resides in another dimension. Similarly, I also suspect this existence in dimensions other than our own points to a physical explanation of the trinity.

19 posted on 04/14/2011 10:35:57 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Cheetahcat
Yes very much so

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

20 posted on 04/14/2011 10:59:25 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: WVNan

That is a fascinating true story. How did you recognize this demon? We tend to say “oh, it’s pscyhological” or “oh, physical problem”, but how did you know it was demonic? Sincerely asking this — I don’t doubt your story, I truly wish to know, please


21 posted on 04/15/2011 5:13:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: garjog

Very interesting post.

>>>”Prayer is permitting God’s mind to enter ours and transform it, raising it to a higher level — sort of like we do with pets when we humanize them. By interacting with dogs or cats, we raise them a little bit to our level of awareness. Talking to God gives us his perspective.”<<<

Totally agree. That’s why it is important to maintain positive (good thoughts) & not give ‘evil’ a window to easily access our consciousness.


22 posted on 04/15/2011 5:41:23 AM PDT by odds
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To: expatguy

I like the Filipinos. Very nice people


23 posted on 04/15/2011 5:46:52 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: Cronos

Long story: Believe me, if you ever encounter one, you will know it. My 90 year old mother physically attacked me and actually injured me and I’m a strong woman. Then when I tried to hold her back away from me, the demon manifested as total blackness in her eyes, no whites showing; Her eyes were normally a beautiful green. The feeling of evil was like a heavy weight against me.

I had to call on the name of Jesus for help over and over. It didn’t leave until I “commanded” it to leave my mother’s body in the name of Jesus Christ. I commanded it to leave her and to leave my house forever. Mom started to fall but my husband (who had heard the commotion) caught her and sat her down. That was the second time she had attacked me physically. After that she was her sweet self that she was when I was a small child.

It was the little Christmas gift of a Quija board back in the 40s that made her captive to the demons. I believe that children must be protected by the good angels. Mom was a sitting duck for the “invasion”. She would “invite” whoever is out there to “come in” and get them to answer questions. Well, they came in. So many of them that she went completely mad. Tried to kill herself time and again.

It wasn’t until my Dad took her to her parents and left her there that she got able to function again. They did the right thing. They prayed over her day and night. Most of the demons left, but I always knew that one or two were still there. If she thought she was alone, you could catch her talking to them or laughing at something they said. She got pretty clever at covering up for them.

If you ever see anyone with a Quija or even discussing getting one, please tell them not to ever bring that instrument of the devil into to their home.

You can feel demonic the same way you can feel the Spirit of Christ. It’s a presence that is real. If you have experienced the Spirit of Christ, try to imagine the extreme opposite of that. It’s heavy and dark and frightening. I pray you never have to experience it. As St Paul wrote: “Put on the whole armor of God.”


24 posted on 04/15/2011 1:19:11 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Cronos

I meant to mention that your name is “time” in Greek. Just wondering why you chose it.


25 posted on 04/15/2011 1:20:23 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Cronos; WVNan; edpc; garjog; Domestic Church

I’m curious if there have been many, or any, well-documented cases of ‘demonic possession’ in younger children (pre-puberty)? If yes, the circumstances surrounding these cases, for example any common pattern/similarities, as well as the outcome.


26 posted on 04/15/2011 7:14:47 PM PDT by odds
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To: narses; Salvation; fatima

Ping to post # 26 question


27 posted on 04/15/2011 7:27:58 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: SunkenCiv

fyi - interesting thread & comments.


28 posted on 04/15/2011 8:44:42 PM PDT by odds
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To: fso301

OK, so you think that the soul is our physical mind and body connecting and interacting with the heavenly dimension — sort of like transmission from this world to the other. Perhaps we leave a trace (shadow, quantum representation, or entangled property) of what we are doing and thinking in this world in the other dimension and that this trace has an independent reality that can continue to exist after our physical body is destroyed.

I would hesitate to argue that the Trinity of God is a physical property, if that is what you mean, since it would imply that God is part of the universe instead of its transcendent creator. Usually Christians believe that God is not part of the physical universe, but outside of it. He is the creator of the dimensions.

However, the idea of one person existing in two universes or dimensions could be taken as a metaphor for the trinity. Perhaps aspects of our reality is a creative reflection of God’s nature.


29 posted on 04/15/2011 10:25:32 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog
OK, so you think that the soul is our physical mind and body connecting and interacting with the heavenly dimension

That could be an explanation using modern terminology.

— sort of like transmission from this world to the other.

Perhaps communications via superstrings to use modern terminology. Communication via superstring might explain explain how God knows whenever a sparrow falls.

Perhaps we leave a trace (shadow, quantum representation, or entangled property) of what we are doing and thinking in this world in the other dimension and that this trace has an independent reality that can continue to exist after our physical body is destroyed.

Sort of like cosmic network storage and cosmic cloud computing via superstring networks to use modern terminology.

I would hesitate to argue that the Trinity of God is a physical property, if that is what you mean, since it would imply that God is part of the universe instead of its transcendent creator. Usually Christians believe that God is not part of the physical universe, but outside of it. He is the creator of the dimensions.

Certainly God transcends the universe. By physical property, I meant since God created the universe, he can become a part of it similarly to you or I building a structure and then entering it. Who knows, the entire universe may be a living part of God. Never-the-less, some means of God manifesting himself and interacting with Adam, Eve and their children existed. Similarly with Moses. Was it all done by remotely stimulating regions of their brain without there being any physical presence? We don't know.

What we do know is that the bible is a record of the relationship between an immensely powerful being and humans. At the time it was written, those humans were quite primitive by modern standards and the communication with those primitive people was in a manner suitable for them to understand.

In our modern world, I think we have to read scripture similarly to the way a parent communicates with a child. For example: When biblical hygiene laws were established, God didn't intend to go into any long discourse on biology, chemistry and medicine. He just said, "eat these type foods and avoid these other type foods and your life will generally be better as a result".

However, the idea of one person existing in two universes or dimensions could be taken as a metaphor for the trinity. Perhaps aspects of our reality is a creative reflection of God’s nature.

God did say let us create man in our image. So, yes, we are a creative reflection of God. As for the trinity, I generally say to those having some understanding of physics yet doubtful concerning the way the trinity has traditionally been presented to them that it may be little more than the personalities/descriptive characteristics of an immensely powerful being that can from time to time manifest itself to us in our dimensions. The most common manifestation being the Holy Spirit which possibly could be seen similarly to GPS navigational devices but on a cosmic/quantum scale whereby. With GPS navigation, most people haven't a clue as to how the units work. All they know is that they turn the devices on and obey driving instructions.

The Holy Spirit may be a communication path across the cosmos via superstrings that issues navigational signals to us.

30 posted on 04/16/2011 4:18:18 AM PDT by fso301
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To: odds

Actually there does not seem to be many cases of children being possessed. That is why I think they are protected by God from such. The child possessions that are seen in movies are not the norm. All of us children played with the Quija board with no effects. It didn’t work very well for us either. But it reacted with speed for our Mom. Back then we were completely ignorant of the spirit world, and did not realize the danger.


31 posted on 04/16/2011 7:36:02 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: fso301
Super strings. I will read up on that.

The point is for me, it seems inadequate when people just assert: it's supernatural. Well, OK. But, what is actually happening. Seems like new physics might help us understand the ways of God and the nature of conscious beings.

You say that God interacts with our universe like the builder of a house may enter it. OK. But, I would still resist the idea that the universe could be “a living part” of God. The wholly other position seems a better fit for the God's interaction with the world (we don't want to worship the creation instead of the Creator). Otherwise it sounds more like the Hinduism

Really like your comment that the information in the soul lives on in heaven like: “cosmic network storage and cosmic cloud computing”

32 posted on 04/16/2011 3:27:30 PM PDT by garjog
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To: WVNan
Thank you. It was your experience that prompted me to ask the question. More so to somewhat test & validate a theory derived from a main Zoroastrian belief, which is the concept of duality (good vs evil).

Basically, this concept suggests that we can facilitate their manifestation, in a physical and/or spiritual form, firstly through our state of mind & then through choices we make in life, by either thinking, saying & doing good or the opposite, evil.

Since younger children's thoughts are particularly 'pure' (good), it follows that their purity of thought acts as a barrier against evil. IOW, God has provided them with the gift of natural protection. Once we reach maturity & become young adults, then our choices matter in either preserving the gift or polluting it.

On a related yet separate note, on two different occasions, yrs apart, I came face to face with two different people, for the very first time, who strongly repelled me. I have no idea why. There were no suspicious physical signs; they looked quite normal & pleasant. In fact one of them could be described as good looking & well- mannered. Hard to articulate what it was about them that made me feel not only very uncomfortable, but also very wary. Not suggesting they were 'evil', and I've no rational explanation for the way I felt in their presence. It was simply something I genuinely sensed. My brother was with me on one occasion, later when I raised the issue with him, he expressed the same feeling as I.

33 posted on 04/16/2011 7:04:28 PM PDT by odds
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To: Domestic Church
At this point I am not permitted to talk about this.I can tell you that some children seers are seeing the bad guy.This is not a subject you approach without prayer.Always say a prayer before you talk about it.In the end with the true story of the Exorcist they had brought in a statue of St Joseph.Stay away from the occult.Hail Mary, full of grace. Our Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
34 posted on 04/16/2011 7:13:59 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: fatima

True. Keep that protection all the time and especially when you discuss these things.


35 posted on 04/16/2011 10:39:47 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: fatima

Amen fatima! Your words acknowledge the reality of danger. There is goodness for this age in them, they open the eyes. The relativism of our times tends to blind people.


36 posted on 04/17/2011 7:27:29 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: WVNan; Salvation; trisham; NYer; Mad Dawg
Thank you for sharing that (am pinging a few who would be interested in reading this) -- I have been lucky not to encounter one and just reading your true story sends shivers up my spine

You have been brave and trusting utterly in God. May God bless you and your mother's soul.

I have never touched an Ouija board and after reading this and other's stories, I have no intention of ever getting near one or allowing anyone I care about from getting near one. With your permission, I would like to relate your story as a warning.

37 posted on 04/20/2011 12:00:08 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: WVNan; blam; Kolokotronis; kosta50
Time :)

well, I choose it 10 years ago when I joined FR as a 20 something because it was the way I spelt the head of the Titans from Greek mythology. It's short and easy to remember. No other deeper explanation -- my knowledge of Greek mythology was very poor at that time and it's become better now, thanks to a lot of posts by blam, sunkenciv, kolokotronis and Kosta!

38 posted on 04/20/2011 12:02:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: WVNan; odds
Actually there does not seem to be many cases of children being possessed. That is why I think they are protected by God from such.

odds == apologies, I'm off for Holy Week (off to Prague!) starting today. Also, I have no knowledge about demonic possessions beyond movies and have had no experience with this at all.

WVNan -- you are so correct, Christ loved the little innocents, the children.

39 posted on 04/20/2011 12:13:47 AM PDT by Cronos (Christian, redneck, rube and proud of it!)
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To: Cronos

Thanks cronos. No need to apologize. Have a good week.


40 posted on 04/20/2011 1:14:20 AM PDT by odds
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