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Daughters of Mormon doctor who they believe murdered their mother reveal truth...
UK Daily Mail ^ | April 4, 2011

Posted on 04/15/2011 11:45:22 AM PDT by Colofornian

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Rachel and Alexis MacNeill recall their 'loving and affectionate' Mormon childhood with their father Martin, a doctor and lawyer, and their beautiful mother Michele.

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Rachel, 31, said: 'We were very much a devout Mormon family. I thought of my parents as having the ultimate love story.

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Her death...was initially ascribed to natural causes, but information supplied by the women helped the medical examiner to change the results to suspicious in October last year.

An investigator with the Utah County Attorney's Office told People Magazine: 'There is probable cause to believe that Martin MacNeill had the opportunity, the motive, the psychological disposition and...the capability of killing his wife Michele MacNeill.'

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...MacNeill...wanted her to have a facelift.

...she had the surgery...

Though heavily sedated, Michele told her daughter Alexis: 'Your dad kept giving me pills.'

... when she was feeling better...she told her daughter: 'In case anything happens to me, make sure it wasn't your dad.'

Michele was found dead in the bathtub a few days later, only eight days after the surgery.

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...they unearthed some devastating information about their dad.

He falsified his undergraduate transcript to help him get into medical school followed by law school and he failed to disclose an earlier conviction for check fraud.

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When Rachel and Alexis threatened to have Michele's death investigated if they didn't get custody of their sisters, MacNeill dropped his children off the next day and never seen them again.

But after that he waged a furious campaign of intimidation telling his daughters he would 'destroy them'.

...one of their Ukrainian sisters investigators discovered that Gypsy Willis had been using her social security number to hide her own debt heavy history.

In 2009, Willis and MacNeill were both convicted of identity theft and imprisoned...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Texas; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: identitytheft; inman; lds; monomania; mormon; suspiciousdeath

Note: There wasn't enough character allowance in the Headline box to allow for the full headline to be utilized: The full headline was: "Daughters of Mormon doctor who they believe murdered their mother reveal truth behind the 'picture perfect' family"

From the article: Rachel and Alexis MacNeill recall their 'loving and affectionate' Mormon childhood with their father Martin, a doctor and lawyer, and their beautiful mother Michele...Rachel, 31, said: 'We were very much a devout Mormon family. I thought of my parents as having the ultimate love story.

From the article: When Rachel and Alexis threatened to have Michele's death investigated if they didn't get custody of their sisters, MacNeill dropped his children off the next day and never seen them again. But after that he waged a furious campaign of intimidation telling his daughters he would 'destroy them'...one of their Ukrainian sisters investigators discovered that Gypsy Willis had been using her social security number to hide her own debt heavy history. In 2009, Willis and MacNeill were both convicted of identity theft and imprisoned...

1 posted on 04/15/2011 11:45:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I’m not really sure why his notional religion is relevant here.

There are nasty people of every stripe. This guy happened to be brought up mormon. I don’t think this British tabloid has any place making the religion central.

“Murder in Utah - Mormon responsible”. It’s like - yup.


2 posted on 04/15/2011 11:52:23 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Colofornian

“picture perfect family”
In other words - fake.
Good grief this is awful for the children.


3 posted on 04/15/2011 11:53:18 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian

Very sad story.

Where was this woman’s radar?

I can’t imagine that creep of a man didn’t give off some kind of bad vibe. Wives usually get a feeling if their husband is up to no good, at least italian and french women do, and when they find out there’s alway hell to pay.


4 posted on 04/15/2011 11:57:24 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: dragonblustar

I know a woman whose husband is a real creep. He puts up a good front but he makes my skin crawl every time he’s around. He left her for another woman. Turns out, there was a bunch of stuff about him that she was hiding - like he’s not allowed to be around children (???).

One day, he showed back up as if nothing happened. The dumb ass (excuse my French) took him back and wants everyone who helped her through her devastation to “forgive” him and act like nothing happened.

What happens to her from here - I have no sympathy for her at all. She knows full well who and what he is.


5 posted on 04/15/2011 12:04:32 PM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
There are nasty people of every stripe. This guy happened to be brought up mormon.

I agree...nasty people of every stripe. (You just don't see them working @ BYU Health Center for a long time after getting a BYU law degree)

From the Mormon church-owned Deseret News: Martin worked part time at the BYU Health Center while earning a law degree. He graduated from BYU's law school in 1990 and worked as a physician at the Health Center for some time before taking a position as director of Medical Law Comp in Washington and then returning to Utah...in 1994, about the same time he was accused of having sexual relations with one of his patients at the BYU Health Center...His work at BYU was punctuated by accusations of rape, complaints of unprofessional conduct and misdiagnosis. He was terminated in 1999 for undisclosed reasons.
Source: Martin MacNeill: Was his wife Michele's death accidental or was it murder?

I don’t think this British tabloid has any place making the religion central.

Then what do you think of the Mormon church owned-Des News putting all that BYU info in its unusually long 19-page online investigative article by Sara Lenz and Brian West?

Should the Des News have just censored all that Lds-tie stuff?

6 posted on 04/15/2011 12:08:11 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
I’m not really sure why his notional religion is relevant here.

It is because of the outward facade that many people buy into that mormons are just so pure and clean-living....and the mormon church is spending millions to foster this illusion. There is a huge ongoing scandal in Arizona regarding knowledge by the mormon leaders of this sex abuse and not reporting it.

Brock Police Report: Removal of "Temple Garments," a Meeting With LDS Officials

Brock pleads guilty (Woman and daughter both have sex with underage male-Phoenix)

Every scandal involving other religons is fair game. Why should mormonism be exempt?

7 posted on 04/15/2011 12:11:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

I believe it’s probably making a reference to the whole ‘picture perfect’ image every Mormon family attempts to portray, but in reality, they are not; many are just hiding the problems and the whole ‘picture perfect’ thing is a facade.

The reason is is Mormons tout family time and the family as the most important unit and that they have far better families than anyone else because of the emphasis the Mormon church places on family. Fact is they probably aren’t any better than any other families, which means the claims that Mormonism helps you have a better family, are probably not as true as they’d want you to believe.

I mean look at the Osmonds too, lots of crap came out about them. Lots of former Mormons talk about their dysfunctional families underneath all the smiling photos of the family.


8 posted on 04/15/2011 12:15:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
The mormon church boasts endlessly that they have an "unpaid clergy"....read, "untrained" and "uneducated". No degree in couseling required. For instance: Click Here for an example of how the unpaid clergy handled this case in Arizona.

In October of last year it all unraveled. But instead of going to the police, both families went to their respective bishops.

"Bishop Hansen learns that the abuse is far more extensive than what the defendant had reported to Bishop Meyers, but yet Bishop Hansen doesn't go to the police," said Holmberg.

Instead, the victim's father took it upon himself, and a few days after the meeting at church, he took his son into the police station. That day police recorded a phone call between the victim and Brock, and she allegedly said: "No don't talk about it. If you stop talking about it maybe it will go away and I will get my life back again."

So, we have two members of the "unpaid clergy" possibly influenced by the fact that the husband of the offender was a political figure in the community.

These mormon leaders are supposedly "Called by God" to fill their positions....and as to the "doctor" in this article, "He falsified his undergraduate transcript to help him get into medical school followed by law school and he failed to disclose an earlier conviction for check fraud.

He had also been discharged form the military for schizophrenia."

He also taught Sunday School.

Earlier FR post on this case HERE

9 posted on 04/15/2011 12:34:00 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Colofornian

So, loopy - unable to keep your carcass scrunched up in the religion threads? Out in the open, are we??


10 posted on 04/15/2011 12:37:18 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Colofornian

The BYU stuff just seems factual.

If the guy was a priest or whatever then sure, but is every crime in Utah a mormon scandal?


11 posted on 04/15/2011 12:41:34 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Hardraade
...unable to keep your carcass scrunched up in the religion threads?

(Sorry that your hermetically sealed compartmentalized boundary was broken...you'll have to do better surveying exactly where religion begins and ends...and then ensuring that it's socially "legislated" out there so that we can properly succumb to it in our marvelous Free Republic)

12 posted on 04/15/2011 12:48:54 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
....but is every crime in Utah a mormon scandal?

Let me just go on record to say that many Utah scandals are indeed Mormon scandals also. Mormons are just as sick, twisted and devious as anyone else - but it is THEY who claim to be better.

How often have you heard on FR that mormons are such good neighbors - just good and honorable folks. Well, the pendulum swings both ways. If THEY claim to be better, then we should see it in action and since I live in Utah and was a Mormon for over 40 years, I can tell you that Mormons are just people.

13 posted on 04/15/2011 12:50:53 PM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
The BYU stuff just seems factual.

(Well, if your moniker has anything to do with your personality -- Engineer -- well, of course, you'd favor "factual" stuff and disfavor fluffy feelings from daughters being quoted about how wonderful their Mormon childhood was...but why would that bother you? ... other than the feelings' angle, that is...the women actually spoke positively of their Mormon childhood)

14 posted on 04/15/2011 12:51:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: dragonblustar

lol - that’s funny. Are you Italisn or French?


15 posted on 04/15/2011 12:52:41 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: stansblugrassgrl
One day, he showed back up as if nothing happened. The dumb ass (excuse my French) took him back and wants everyone who helped her through her devastation to “forgive” him and act like nothing happened.

I know a woman like that. What gets me is that woman that I know didn't take crap from her first husband and was married many years to him. After he died, a few years later, she meets a real loser. When he's not around she says she hates the bastard then a few days later, acts as if nothing happen. I've seen bruises on her and she says she had an accident or had a bad fall. I know its BS.

When I see her next, I'm going to have a little private chat with her boyfriend and say to him if I ever see another bruise on this woman, I'm calling the police.

16 posted on 04/15/2011 12:54:57 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
lol - that’s funny. Are you Italisn or French?

Oui! : )

17 posted on 04/15/2011 12:58:43 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Colofornian

As I said: loopy.

If FR has any sense of self-preservation, it will flense you and your little clique to h*ll and gone.

Just an observation ;).


18 posted on 04/15/2011 1:00:45 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
...is every crime in Utah a mormon scandal?

This is actually a great Q.

My short answer: No.

My extended answer:
Is a suspicious death where women suspect their father murdered their mother -- is that comparable to falling under a broad "every crime" umbrella? (No)

Therefore, sorry. You're a bit culpable of reducing a potential murder to the status of "every [humdrum] crime."

But, as to why I said it's a great Q re: the scandalous aspect...the extended answer is, "It depends."

Are we talking about Mormons, or non-Mormons?

If we're talking about non-Mormons, then, hey we're all sinners. We're all guilty in Adam -- and have original sin. We're all at least spiritual 'criminals' in the eyes of God. And many of us are social criminals beyond that. All in all, some of us are more guilty than others; but we've all fallen short of the glory of God. Still, so that I don't reduce the magnitude of these things myself, somehow the overwhelming majority of us don't literally kill somebody or abuse them in a criminal way -- even as people are guilty of hating a brother or lusting...which Jesus found to be equally guilty in God's eyes as if committing the very act!

But Mormons -- from a pure Mormon perspective -- don't believe in original sin. They believe Mormon children are 100% innocent for the first 7 years & 364+ days of their lives. Furthermore, MANY Lds leaders reference Mormons as "gods-in-embryo."

So, if a sinner falls. Is that a surprise? (No)
If a sinner is suspected of murder, might that be worthy of a 19-page article? Oh sure; but it's just not as contrast-laden (keep reading).

But if a "god-in-embryo" entity who was...
...born perfect
...and has no original sin
-- if he does these things
-- is that more of a "banner headline" from a Mormon theological anthropology? (Yup)

Why? (Because the contrast of who they are said to be and who they are is greater...just like when Jesus pointed out the contrast of recommending that people be outwardly righteous like the Pharisees -- but not be like the inward graveywards they were!)

19 posted on 04/15/2011 1:07:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Hardraade
...it will flense you and your little clique to h*ll and gone.

Well I pray the Lord hauls you into heaven...and that we meet one day.

20 posted on 04/15/2011 1:09:24 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Well I pray the Lord hauls you into heaven...and that we meet one day.

The possibility is intriguing but exceedingly remote. If we ever meet, I have pork products I'd like to introduce you to :)).

21 posted on 04/15/2011 1:13:41 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

“I don’t think this British tabloid has any place making the religion central.”

And, you are perfectly correct - if this were a perfect world.

Accusatory headlines sell papers, hence the Mormon angle.

I suspect Mormons are not common in England, and since they don’t react like Moslims, it is much safer to slag Mormons than Moslims.


22 posted on 04/15/2011 1:14:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru; Christian Engineer Mass
I suspect Mormons are not common in England, and since they don’t react like Moslims, it is much safer to slag Mormons than Moslims.

So the UK does a 1-page article on MacNeill...and that's condemnatory...but the Lds church owned Deseret News does a 19-page article on the same guy (December 2010)...and no concerned mention about that from you? [see post #6 for the link]

23 posted on 04/15/2011 1:20:20 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Hardraade

(That’s pretty good for a eunuch to master!)


24 posted on 04/15/2011 1:21:56 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: stansblugrassgrl

“What happens to her from here - I have no sympathy for her at all. She knows full well who and what he is.”

Be generous and reach out to her again. I think that she is suffering from depression and could use any kind of friendship.


25 posted on 04/15/2011 1:27:24 PM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: Hardraade

“If FR has any sense of self-preservation, it will flense you and your little clique to h*ll and gone.”

Given that whales are currently protected under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, wouldn’t FR open itself to felony charges if they took your advice?

However, if the probable validity of my assumption that colofornian is human, not cetacian, proves to correct, wouldn’t your suggestion for the FR management team open you to a solicitation to commit murder?

I am assuming you to be male and white, a decidedly not ‘protected class’ in this legal atmosphere of Holder, AG.

;-)

But, what would a mere biologist know.


26 posted on 04/15/2011 1:27:59 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

Well, I think Colofornian is probably safe from whale abuse as long as FR doesn’t invest in a harpoon boat :). Only flensing likely to take place is purely figurative...


27 posted on 04/15/2011 1:46:01 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Colofornian
That’s pretty good for a eunuch to master!

Rofl. I've wondered what your drive is. Sexual rage, is it??

28 posted on 04/15/2011 1:53:18 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Colofornian

What a perfect article for Friday’s Three Minutes Hate. But....

With all that selective editing you’ve done, shouldn’t there be something about the doctor wearing his “mormon underwear” while molesting his daughters and murdering his wife ? Or cheating on his tithing or taxes ?

C’mon there’s got to be something more scurrilous than this. I hate to see you losing your oh so delicate and respectful touch while conducting the “Three Minutes Hate”.


29 posted on 04/15/2011 1:58:19 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Hardraade
Have you thought about commenting on the post and not trashing the poster? Just saying.
30 posted on 04/15/2011 2:07:00 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

Certainly. Dysfuntional families murder each other up and down the walls, upp and down the states and up and down the religious denominations. You have a point? Not connected to Mormons, I mean?


31 posted on 04/15/2011 2:12:44 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade

(I was just trying to be funny... :) We need to lighten up our weeks as they roll toward an end & into the weekend...You have a great weekend!)


32 posted on 04/15/2011 2:16:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: jimt
With all that selective editing you’ve done...

Sorry...if I could have posted the entire article, I would have...somebody 'bout copyright sensibilities re: UK Daily Mail...take it up w/them or the owner of this site

(BTW...since your words toward me weren't exactly 'loving'...and since my guess is it took ya 'bout three minutes to write...do your own words ever apply to yourself?)

33 posted on 04/15/2011 2:18:50 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Bluebeard16

I appreciate what you’re saying. The door’s open if she wants to change. Otherwise, I’ve seen too many people caught in the trap. They keep playing the game instead of looking for something beyond.


34 posted on 04/15/2011 2:22:07 PM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: Hardraade

So, you have a point? I asked a question why you trashed the poster rather than commenting on the article and you (well I don’t know what you are doing).


35 posted on 04/15/2011 3:02:52 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian

The poor guy just wanted a second goddess wife.. hard to populate a planet with only one wife/goddess


36 posted on 04/15/2011 4:45:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: Secret Agent Man
the main Mormon church/temple tries to portray their church/temple as full of moral people.. its a marketing tool...like join the Mormon church and you have a perfect life.....

but I don't see that in individual Mormons...most of them you don't even know they are Mormon unless you ask....

37 posted on 04/15/2011 6:32:42 PM PDT by cherry
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