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To: Gator113

(And O’Reilly went on about how Hawaii doesn’t give long form BC’s out to anyone....another LIE—they did until Trump put the attention on it)

Long-Form Birth Certificates Were Available Until Trump “Trumped” Obama


by Sharon Rondeau

Short-Form Certificate of Live Birth released by the Hawaii Department of Health within the last few weeks

(Apr. 14, 2011) — On April 12, 2011, The Post & Email reported that a Hawaiian-born resident was denied a copy of his original, long-form birth certificate after visiting the Department of Health and submitting a formal request for it.

Since March 23, 2011, real estate developer, television show host and entrepreneur Donald Trump has been calling for Obama to release his original birth certificate to prove that he was born in the United States. On April 12, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin evidently joined him.

Miki Booth, a former resident of Hawaii whose husband and son were born there, furnished the following information earlier today regarding someone’s visit to the Hawaii Department of Health:

The following is from one of my contacts I received today:

I went to the DOH to see if the detailed BC can still be attained and here’s what I found out:

1. The year 1921 thru present, everyone will receive a computer generated form just like (scan.jpg).
2. Any BC’s 1909-1920 will have a photo copy of the detailed type of BC like (her daughters) and here’s why. The BC’s before 1921 were never entered into the computer and therefore they must go into archives, pull the books with the information, photo copy onto the green certificate and process with seal and stamp. The gentleman actually showed me what one of the books look like and proceeded to explain the photo copy process etc…
3. In (daughters) case because her name has a kahako in it, the line that goes above the “O” in her Hawaiian name, would need to photo copied because the computer program they have does not recognize the kahako and therefore would not place it on the name. The name has to read exact as entered on the BC. The gentleman assured me that this would be the only reasons that anyone would get a detailed BC. Before 1921 or Kahako in a Hawaiian name.
4. It was stated to me that the computer generated forms have been used for several years now and that the reason for that process was so people would not have to wait so long. At one point you did have an option to get a detailed one if you chose to wait and didn’t need one right away. Then they just totally switched over to the computer generated BC’s all together. When that occurred is not clear.

This is what I learned after my question and answer session with the gentleman at DOH. He was very helpful and patient in answering all my questions. I chose to go early in the AM and that helped out because no one else was in lineJ.

Oh before I forget, I did ask if I really wanted a detailed BC and would be willing to wait for it could I get one then and he said no, because of the budget cuts that the State has been going through over the years, they simply don’t have the manpower to do so.

However, Booth has told The Post & Email that the cost to obtain either the long-form or short-form birth certificate in Hawaii was the same: $10.00, at least until now.

The Department of Health states about “vital records” that “Certified copies of these records may be issued to authorized individuals and used for such diverse purposes as school entry, passports, Social Security participation, driver’s licenses, employment, sports participation, survivor’s benefits, proof of property rights, and other needs.”

A “certified copy” is a duplicate of the original record, not a composite such as the “Certificate of Live Birth” which is a different form lacking the level of detail of the long-form.

Today Booth provided the following additional information:

In 1961 there were several hospitals in HI that had maternity/obstetrics depts. not just the two BO/BS’s family were confused about (Kapiolani and Queens – Queens however did not have a maternity dept in 1961).

Wahiawa General had a maternity ward as did

Kuakini (which closed their obstetrics in 1964)

Kahuku hospital had a maternity ward in 1961 but is now a medical center.

Kaiser Permanente delivered babies as well and of course the Army hospital

Tripler Army Medical Center (Also known as ‘Cripler’)

The Earthfrisk blog reported in late 2008 that no hospital in Hawaii had any records on Obama’s birth or his mother ever having been there.

The Hawaii Office of Information Practices states that anyone denied access to a government record under the state’s UIPA, or open records law, can file a complaint with the OIP, and, if unsatisfied with the decision rendered, may file an appeal in circuit court. The Post & Email was denied access to records maintained by the Hawaii Elections Office and filed a complaint with the OIP last fall. When the OIP was unsuccessful in compelling the Elections Office to release the records, which were already in the public domain, we informed the OIP that we would file a lawsuit. The following day, the documents were released via email.

Why would a person be denied access to his original birth certificate by the Health Department in violation of the UIPA law? Over the last two weeks, The Post & Email has contacted the offices of Ms. Loretta Fuddy, Acting Director; Dr. Alvin Onaka, Registrar; Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz and Governor Neil Abercrombie. None of them have responded by phone or email. Our Petition letter sent on March 17 has also been ignored even though we know they have been received.

Ms. Booth supplied the following scans of Hawaiian birth certificates (see images at link):

18 posted on 04/15/2011 12:39:09 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

And what they’re doing in Hawaii is illegal. I’ve posted about it at

Direct link to the PDF is

23 posted on 04/15/2011 12:45:55 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: cycle of discernment
Let’s also not forget that per its March 23, 2011 web-site update, effective April 1, 2011 the United States Department of State will accept a certified copy of a birth certificate with only the information on Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth” as primary (sole and sufficient) evidence of birth in the U.S.


65 posted on 04/15/2011 1:37:13 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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