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Chaos on House floor as Democrats try to unsettle GOP budget
The Hill ^ | 04/15/11 | Pete Kasperowicz

Posted on 04/15/2011 1:23:24 PM PDT by Monitor

The House floor erupted into a chaotic scene Friday as House Democrats tried to upset Republican plans to pass their 2012 budget resolution.

Democrats unsettled Republicans by voting "present" in a vote on a more conservative budget than the official GOP proposal put forth by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), almost enabling that bill to pass.

In the end, it failed in a 119-136 vote, with 172 Democrats voting present.

Several Republicans, including Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier (Calif.) and Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.), a member of GOP leadership, switched their votes to ensure the more conservative budget backed by the Republican Study Committee did not win approval.

The drama erupted when Democrats began to shift their votes to "present," with Democrats and Republicans alike standing to shout at one another and the presiding officer in a scene more akin to the British Parliament than the U.S. House. A majority of Republicans initially voted for the RSC bill, likely in anticipation that Democrats would oppose it.

As the presiding officer tried to close down the vote, about a dozen more Democrats asked to switch their vote from "no" to "present," which nearly allowed the RSC bill to pass.

“Democrats, vote 'present!' ” House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) shouted at his colleagues, who tried, one by one, to switch their "no" votes to "present." Ryan, the architect of the official GOP budget, shouted “Shut it down!” in an effort to close the vote and count the tally before Democrats could switch enough of their votes to advance the amendment.

At one point, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) stood on a chair and pointed at the presiding officer to keep the vote open.

The RSC's alternative budget resolution would cut even more deeply into spending than Ryan's bill, and was not expected to be approved by the House.

In the end, only one more Republican voted against the RSC budget than supported it, 119-120.

“Well, I thought I was paid to actually cast a vote, not just show up,” Rep. Jeb Hensarling (Texas), the chairman of the GOP conference, chuckled as he left the chamber.

Hensarling voted for the RSC budget and said he would have been fine had the Democratic maneuver worked and the GOP adopted the more conservative plan.

A spokeswoman for Hoyer said the maneuver was his idea and that Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was aware of the plan before the vote. A second Democratic source said the plan was hashed out in a leadership meeting earlier in the week, without staff present.

"This vote will show which budget Republicans support — the Republican budget that ends Medicare as we know it and cuts investments while giving tax breaks to the wealthiest, or the extreme RSC budget that is the GOP budget on steroids: ending Medicare as we know it and going even further in decimating investments in our future," a whip notice from Hoyer's office said. "With Democrats voting present, Republicans are solely responsible for passage or failure of the RSC budget."

But Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said the plan to have members switch their votes was apparently concocted by Hoyer on the floor.

Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.) said if the plan had succeeded, Republicans would have moved Ryan's budget resolution as a substitute amendment.

The Republican whip, Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), laughed at the Democratic maneuver. Of the 'present' votes, he told The Hill, "I guess they learned that from Obama in the Senate."

Earlier, the House also rejected a budget plan from the Progressive Caucus, in a 77-347 vote with no support from Republicans. A proposal from the Congressional Black Caucus was defeated in a 103-303 vote, again with no Republican support.


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KEYWORDS: budget; gop; libertarian; paulryan; rsc
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WTF????
1 posted on 04/15/2011 1:23:27 PM PDT by Monitor
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To: Monitor

It looks like RSC colluded with the Democrats versus Chairman Ryan’s budget proposal.
Is this what their constituents elected them to do?

My guess is the “Republican Study Committee” is heavily libertarian.


2 posted on 04/15/2011 1:28:16 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: Monitor

Getting serious would be nice.


3 posted on 04/15/2011 1:33:46 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Monitor

A case of union thuggery imitated in the halls of Congress.
But it did throw the brightly, brilliant Republicans off stride there for a minute or two.


4 posted on 04/15/2011 1:33:55 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Monitor

Forget what is good for the nation or We the People. These idiotic simpletons instead chose to act like little spoiled brats who did not get their way and instead threw a tantrum by voting “present”. As far as I am concerned, if vote “present” on ANYTHING, you should lose your vote. Plain and simple, end of story.

Pathetic, just eff’n PATHETIC.


5 posted on 04/15/2011 1:34:13 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: Monitor

Chaos on the floor of the House of Representatives indicates that the system is functioning as intended.


6 posted on 04/15/2011 1:34:44 PM PDT by mmercier (presentation of glory)
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To: mmercier

Yes, just saw that. You beat me to the post. Good job.


7 posted on 04/15/2011 1:36:08 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: mmercier

GOP is doing a fine job of unsettling itself.


8 posted on 04/15/2011 1:36:55 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: La Enchiladita

Looks like the Republican “Leadership” in the House is more afraid of Hoyer than the American people. They can’t even vote straight. They come out looking ‘divided’ (120-119 good lord).


9 posted on 04/15/2011 1:37:43 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Monitor
Several Republicans, including Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier (Calif.) and Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.), a member of GOP leadership, switched their votes to ensure the more conservative budget backed by the Republican Study Committee did not win approval.

Now there's a telling little detail...

10 posted on 04/15/2011 1:39:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Why would 120 Republicans (or RINOs?) side with the RATs?


11 posted on 04/15/2011 1:40:16 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: NWFLConservative
Pathetic is when all parties agree and you find yourself in Auschwitz.
12 posted on 04/15/2011 1:42:18 PM PDT by mmercier (you can not touch the sky)
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To: Monitor

Remember

“It is the best &#$% we can hope for.”


13 posted on 04/15/2011 1:44:32 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: La Enchiladita
My guess is the “Republican Study Committee” is heavily libertarian.

While it certainly has a few libertarians, no doubt, it is primarily conservative, or at least the closest facsimile thereof to be found in Congress.

14 posted on 04/15/2011 1:44:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

“Why would 120 Republicans (or RINOs?) side with the RATs?”

Money, Power, Greed, Etc. Etc.!


15 posted on 04/15/2011 1:45:21 PM PDT by mongo141
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To: Monitor

I wish every republican in the senate would vote “present” on every bill they know they’re not going to win. Then the dems will have to claim them when it all goes to hell.

I couldn’t be in congress. I’d be kicked out for slapping some little weasel like Jackson or Patrick Kenedy if he was still there. I understand why there used to be duels. I wish there still were.


16 posted on 04/15/2011 1:47:02 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: mmercier
Actually, the Jews and the other üntermensch found themselves in Auschwitz and Dachau and numerous other concentration camps when the Nazzies silenced all other parties.
17 posted on 04/15/2011 1:47:19 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: The Bronze Titan

Likely the GOPers really supported the tougher bill, while the rats simply wanted a talking point about killing Grandma and GOP disunity.

It is all about the 2012 campaign for the rats.


18 posted on 04/15/2011 1:48:17 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: The Bronze Titan

The way I read it is that the Study Group bill was more conservative than even Ryan’s Bill. It was assumed, by Republicans, that the democrats would naturally vote against it in total, so all the Republicans needed to vote FOR it. These Republicans are, however, invested in Ryan’s Budget Bill and no other. So, when the Dems instead of voting against it, voted PRESENT, it forced the Republicans to back away and change their vote to NO in order to kill this bill and save the real one—Ryan’s. Otherwise this Study Group Budget would have passed and that was not the republican plan.

By the way, their were nine differently timed interruptions which caused nine protestors in the gallery to be tossed.


19 posted on 04/15/2011 1:48:55 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Monitor

So they’re more revolting than usual?


20 posted on 04/15/2011 1:50:18 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: La Enchiladita

See: “Conservatives unveil alternative budget with $9.1 trillion in cuts”:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2701879/posts

The Republican Study Group plan is a conservative alternative to Ryan’s leadership backed plan. The RSG plan would cut $9.1 trillion instead of Ryan’s $5.8 trillion over 10 years. And the RSG plan would balance the budget in 10 years (by 2020) rather than 30 years (2040) under Ryan’s plan.


21 posted on 04/15/2011 1:51:51 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Monitor
The Republican whip, Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), laughed at the Democratic maneuver. Of the 'present' votes, he told The Hill, "I guess they learned that from Obama in the Senate."

'Nuff said.

22 posted on 04/15/2011 1:53:47 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Monitor

At least they didn’t run off to Ill


23 posted on 04/15/2011 1:53:47 PM PDT by y6162
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To: Monitor

WOW.
The democrats really are children aren’t they!


24 posted on 04/15/2011 1:53:52 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Monitor

What? These DemonRATs are slacking! They failed to stage a mass vomit on the House floor. What’s the matter with them?

/sarc


25 posted on 04/15/2011 1:56:22 PM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: screaminsunshine
Every established order is grinding out a period of extreme transition to an unknown position of reasonable, momentary stability.

This is a necessary thing. It is better when it occurs slowly. That is not the current situation.

26 posted on 04/15/2011 1:56:45 PM PDT by mmercier (catastrophicsm)
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To: Monitor

The hypocrisy of both “major” parties on full display.


27 posted on 04/15/2011 2:01:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
No more juvenile than the GOP on this particular issue, unfortunately. Frankly, the GOP got exactly what they deserved on this.

The RSG vote was supposed to be a symbolic vote to provide political cover to Republicans who wanted to be able to claim they supported much deeper cuts than Ryan proposed. "See, we voted in favor of these really, really deep cuts!" Of course, they didn't actually want to pass the bill. They just wanted to be able to claim they voted for it.

So the Dems called their bluffs by voting present, meaning that Republicans may have passed a bill they really didn't want to pass in the first place. That forced a bunch of the GOP people who voted in favor of the bill to change their votes to "no", which makes them look ridiculous.

I hate stupid symbolic votes like that, and the GOP got exactly what they deserved. Now hopesfully, we can move on from stupid gams and symbolic votes and actually try to accomplish something.

My preference would be tying a lifting of the debt ceiling to votes by both houses of Congress for a Constitutional Amendment for either a balanced budget or debt ceiling cap.

28 posted on 04/15/2011 2:02:51 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Monitor

It’s nothing - Lenin and Trotsky had their little tiffs, too.


29 posted on 04/15/2011 2:04:33 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: reformedliberal

Sorry but if they supported tougher legislation they should have passed it then and let the dems twist in the wind! Obviously some in our caucus don’t stand for what they profess to believe.


30 posted on 04/15/2011 2:05:21 PM PDT by in the wind
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To: Jack Hammer

Badabing.


31 posted on 04/15/2011 2:05:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: Monitor
We expect the dims to be evil and conniving... but our leadership is in bed with the dims... corrupt and evil...they are one in the same. everyone that voted with the dims on this hates America and hates tax paying patriots. Damn them all to hell.

LLS

32 posted on 04/15/2011 2:18:33 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: in the wind

You are correct... the others thinking otherwise are not.

LLS


33 posted on 04/15/2011 2:21:51 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: Monitor

So this ruckus was about an alternative to Ryan’s proposed budget?


34 posted on 04/15/2011 2:22:25 PM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: SharpRightTurn; The Bronze Titan; EternalVigilance

Possibly, Ryan’s plan is much more realistic and possible than the dramatic grandstand proposed by the RSC. We need to actually get things DONE, not just make “statements” with symbolic impossible gestures. The monstrosities in our government were not created overnight, but over time. And they were created by Dems always closing ranks on crucial votes, something that some elements of Republicans have not learned. We will never make lasting gains on our side until we learn to unify and move in the same direction. There are always disputes over which leadership to follow at which time.


35 posted on 04/15/2011 2:24:16 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: La Enchiladita
much more realistic and possible

Great. Go over the cliff at 98 instead of 99 miles per hour.

36 posted on 04/15/2011 2:30:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: Monitor

ya know what??? we have just been done a tremendous favor....all we need is a list of those so called pubs that oppossed this bill, and we have our list of targets to shoot down in the next election....for once I can say, thank you liberal socialist scum...now, who has the list of who voted which way?


37 posted on 04/15/2011 2:32:31 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone

That’s a great point.


38 posted on 04/15/2011 2:35:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah, I don't get that either. I hadn't heard of a "more conservative budget" proposal before. Off the cuff, though, would passing something "more conservative" have been a bad thing?


39 posted on 04/15/2011 2:45:23 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Monitor

Republicans need to wake up and understand that Democrats will do anything legal OR illegal, unethical, or immoral to thwart responsible government.

Simply put, they despise the notion of a successful, prosperous citizenry that is not utterly dependent upon them.


40 posted on 04/15/2011 2:46:23 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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Off the cuff, though, would passing something "more conservative" have been a bad thing?

Uhm...NO. Not in a SANE world.

41 posted on 04/15/2011 2:49:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: so_real

By the way, you’ll know they’re serious about the budget when the first criteria on every item is constitutionality...in other words, does it fall within Congress’ Enumerated Powers?

Until then, it’s mostly smoke and mirrors.


42 posted on 04/15/2011 2:58:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: NWFLConservative
As far as I am concerned, if vote “present” on ANYTHING, you should lose your vote. Plain and simple, end of story.

That is all Obama ever did in the Illinois senate and a lot in the US Senate too.

43 posted on 04/15/2011 3:15:34 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Question for my fellow Freepers. Does CSPAN edit their videos? Because I went to their site as I wanted to see video of this 'chaos' and there is roughly 1 hour of their 6 hour House floor coverage missing. It stops as the RSC budget is being debated and when the video comes back it's Ryan's budget being debated. Also on the House website I don't see the roll call vote for the RSC budget. Was it a voice vote or a recorded one? I'd like to know which Republicans voted for it. Anyway I find it strange that 1 hour of video is missing from CSPAN's site.
44 posted on 04/15/2011 3:50:04 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Donald Trump calls George W Bush "evil": http://tinyurl.com/3bej26r)
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To: ejdrapes

That’s quite odd.


45 posted on 04/15/2011 3:51:17 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: ejdrapes

Maybe Boehner threatened to pull their plug.


46 posted on 04/15/2011 3:52:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: EternalVigilance; All
Here's the video in case anyone is interested.

House Session April 15, 2011

47 posted on 04/15/2011 3:53:40 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Donald Trump calls George W Bush "evil": http://tinyurl.com/3bej26r)
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To: EternalVigilance
The RSC budget was bill H CON RES 37, but no roll call vote listed on the House website. Was this edited out too?
48 posted on 04/15/2011 3:57:29 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Donald Trump calls George W Bush "evil": http://tinyurl.com/3bej26r)
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To: ejdrapes

Thanks. Let me know if you find the video of the RSC vote.


49 posted on 04/15/2011 3:57:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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To: ejdrapes

Hmmm...getting stranger.


50 posted on 04/15/2011 3:58:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you don't see a leader, be a leader.)
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