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Wolves to come off endangered list within 60 days
AP ^ | Apr 15 , 2011

Posted on 04/15/2011 5:23:02 PM PDT by george76

Federal wildlife officials say they will take more than 1,300 gray wolves in the Northern Rockies off the endangered species list within 60 days.

It marks the first time Congress has taken a species off the endangered list.

Idaho and Montana plan public wolf hunts this fall. Hunts last year were canceled after a judge ruled the predators remained at risk.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Idaho; US: Michigan; US: Minnesota; US: Montana; US: North Dakota; US: Oregon; US: Washington; US: Wisconsin; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; esa; graywolves; hunting; sss; unagenda21; wildlife; wolves

1 posted on 04/15/2011 5:23:06 PM PDT by george76
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To: jazusamo

Any plans to hunt in Oregon and Washington ?


2 posted on 04/15/2011 5:24:23 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Evolution is dynamic not static.

Artificially choosing some species to save from extinction may “feel good” but it is not how nature works.

3 posted on 04/15/2011 5:32:13 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: george76

Any plans to hunt in Oregon and Washington?


I doubt it as the populations are transitory at this point. In Oregon, the State tried to plan for the future by getting the interested parties(eco-freaks and ranchers) together to work out a plan to address a future population, but, that quickly broke up when the eco-freaks were willing to sacrifice every cow, sheep, goat, dog, and cat to protect every wolf from not be able to lead a happy life.


4 posted on 04/15/2011 5:35:16 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Obama makes me yearn for the good ol' days of Carter.)
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To: george76

First people complain about wolves and predators being dangerous so we kill them off, then we have an explosion in herd type animals, the same people who wanted the predators gone, now are against hunting, so we introduce back the predators and due to an over abundance of food and animals not use to be hunted their population explodes. Thus we are right back where we started.


5 posted on 04/15/2011 5:37:36 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: george76
Since the U.S. government started “seeding” wolves into selected areas, the farmers and land owners have been going crazy from predation caused by wolves who refuse to stay on federal land. Deer and elk herds have also been hard hit. Some USG agencies have introduced the Canadian species of wolf that's even more aggressive than the U.S. version.

Many farmers and landowners have practiced the 3S kind of solution for the government protected species: “shoot, shovel, shut-up.”

6 posted on 04/15/2011 5:38:25 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: george76
I haven't seen a word about that and really doubt it for now, wolf numbers in both states are very low and they couldn't justify a hunt.

It should make a difference though in livestock owners being able to protect their stock. I doubt they'll have to jump through hoops to shoot wolves threatening that stock.

7 posted on 04/15/2011 5:41:36 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76

“”Wolves to come off endangered list within 60 days””

It’s about time. I’m tired of eating spotted owl every day.


8 posted on 04/15/2011 5:42:53 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Mikey_1962

“Evolution is dynamic not static.”

When did wolves start evolving? I haven’t heard of them becoming more complex in their DNA or anatomy in any way.


9 posted on 04/15/2011 5:48:11 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: george76

I find this amazing since we’ve been employing “shoot, shovel, and shut up” for years now up here in the rockies!


10 posted on 04/15/2011 5:51:54 PM PDT by 3boysdad (Rights of Man)
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To: jazusamo

Silence from Donald Molloy ?


11 posted on 04/15/2011 5:52:47 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Kill them all. They bite, kill live stock, game animals. I don’t want them in my yard.


12 posted on 04/15/2011 6:00:08 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: george76

Not a word that I’ve seen, he’s probably gulping Valium. LOL!


13 posted on 04/15/2011 6:04:16 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Mikey_1962
I have no problem with wolves....if they want to wander into the states, let them...

but let people protect themselves from them and if they don't wise up and stay in very remote areas then they deserve to be hunted down like any rabid dog....

I've heard from many sources that the elk in central to northren Idaho have been decimated by wolves, and they simply kill to kill....

14 posted on 04/15/2011 6:04:33 PM PDT by cherry
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To: george76
And just what part of their best guesses of the wolf population does 1,300 represent; 30%, 20% or less?

After all these years under the protection of the feds, judges and the environ-mental agitators the wolves have had a free lunch or maybe a free breakfast for years at the expensive of the sheep and cattlemen. The program rivals the school lunch programs given to kids....at the taxpayers expense.

I can't even afford a lamb chop anymore.
15 posted on 04/15/2011 6:06:32 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; SJackson

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Friday that the population of gray wolves in Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin has recovered enough to be removed from federal protection.

About 4,000 wolves roam the three states.


16 posted on 04/15/2011 6:22:08 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: BIGLOOK

Good to hear from you. It has been a while.

Hard to know the wolf numbers. Lots of guessing. Several thousands ?

Wyoming might consider wolf numbers outside of Yellowstone to 10 breeding pairs and 100 animals.

The original government promise was for 300 inside Yellowstone Park only.


17 posted on 04/15/2011 6:35:42 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Wolves are nothing compared to the exploding coyote population. They've so well adapted to human civilization that park rangers on the American River Parkway near my house in Sacramento, CA are on the constant lookout for them--especially for females with pups, since those females can be VERY aggressive protecting those pups.
18 posted on 04/15/2011 7:48:33 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: LukeL

Allow me to break your informative post into its components.
1. First people complain about wolves and predators being dangerous.
2. so we kill them off.
3. then we have an explosion in herd type animals.
4. the same people who wanted the predators gone, now are against hunting.

#4 is important. Too many Libtard animal whackos.

Continuing:
5. so we introduce back the predators
6. and due to an over abundance of food and animals not use to be hunted their population explodes.
7. Thus we are right back where we started.

#7 is the error. Only if the government trough feeders are allowed to force faulty management premises on those charged with managing the deer herds dooes the cycle begin again.

Should the younger voters force their public servants to use the intelligence and control which human hunters, not wolves, then population levels CAn be managed successfully.

In summation, a recreational, non-commercial season for the taking of Libtards would seem to be a valid solution to direct reduction of that unwanted population.


19 posted on 04/15/2011 7:50:21 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
When did wolves start evolving? I haven’t heard of them becoming more complex in their DNA or anatomy in any way.

Wow! Evolution which happens over thousands of generations and you haven't heard of it or seen it in your short life span?

At any rate you missed the point of the post: Extinctions are a part of life on Earth and trying to maintain a static ecosystem when by nature they a dynamic is a fools errand.

20 posted on 04/15/2011 11:10:21 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: george76; MasterGunner01; All
I thought of posting this earlier but was wondering if it was appropriate.

It's a discussion on managing the environment delivered some years back. It's a little lengthy, an hour and a half or so, but skip forward to 0:39 for a good analysis of what the clusterf*** and mismanagement the federal gov't had created in Yellowstone Park with good intentions.

Note that I do not endorse the protection of wolves (or coyotes or cougars or bears) at this time, populations have increased and overflowed into ranch lands and populated areas threatening livestock and in some cases humans. The point is the sheer stupidity of trying to micromanage a complex system by governmental regulatory institutions pressured by know nothing environmentalists and do gooders.

This doesn't end with the problems that are happening with predators in the west, it's also happening with the over population of white tail deer in the east where hunting is highly restricted in areas and gun ownership is threatened. When I was a kid in upstate NY, we would just shoot a deer that was munching away at our vegetable garden and call it supper. Woodchucks, raccoons and wild dog packs were fair game and farmers would pay a bounty for tails. Coyotes were none existent then, now they're abundant...and the farmers are extinct.

Some things don't mix well, like sharks and swimmers, like sodium and water, like our current government and reality.
21 posted on 04/16/2011 12:50:42 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BIGLOOK; B4Ranch

Another piece of this mess is the UN Agenda 21 and the rewilding of America efforts.

Many red ecos want to remove the ranchers and farmers from their homesteads. Killing the livestock helps their agenda as the family ranchers then have a cash flow / bank loan problem that can lead to foreclosures.

Getting historical federal grazing allotments vacated is another trick to bankrupt the family ranchers.


22 posted on 04/16/2011 7:03:22 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I am very familiar with BLM conflict vs Nevada ranchers, Wayne Hage and Ben Colvin.


23 posted on 04/16/2011 8:18:21 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: B4Ranch

Thanks.


24 posted on 04/16/2011 8:53:15 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: rellimpank

Rancher in prison for ‘trespassing cows’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/964568/posts


25 posted on 04/16/2011 9:38:26 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Mikey_1962

I think many people get evolution mixed up with adaptation.


26 posted on 04/16/2011 12:34:15 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MasterGunner01
Many farmers and landowners have practiced the 3S kind of solution for the government protected species: “shoot, shovel, shut-up.”

Onezies and twozies no big deal, but a full pack? Without a fully automatic weapon and a BIG magazine, that is a very risky plan.

27 posted on 04/16/2011 1:50:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: cherry; george76
I have no problem with wolves....if they want to wander into the states, let them...

Another armchair urban expert.

If a disaster the size of a New Madrid quake renders your city and dozens like it an uninhabitable hell hole, where will you run? In what kind of condition will the land be in terms of its ability to support you? How will you sleep safely? From what would you construct shelter? Will there be any game? Will the forage be edible?

Or are you expecting FEMA to save you? Good luck with that. Wolves are not a good idea, which is why the paleo-indians killed every last Canis dirus on the continent.

28 posted on 04/16/2011 2:00:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The power to manage "The Environment" is the power to control the entire economy.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks george76. Coyotes have filled behind the missing wolves, and they suck.
It marks the first time Congress has taken a species off the endangered list.

29 posted on 04/16/2011 4:17:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: GladesGuru
In summation, a recreational, non-commercial season for the taking of Libtards would seem to be a valid solution to direct reduction of that unwanted population.

The only problem with that is you would have sh!+, guts, and feathers EVERYWHERE.

30 posted on 04/16/2011 4:24:03 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Beat me, Bite me...Make Me Write Bad Checks)
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