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Kmiec Comes Home: Ambassador Resigns Position in the Obama Administration
Catholic Online ^ | 4/17/2011 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 04/17/2011 5:52:39 PM PDT by tcg

Readers of Catholic Online recall the series of back and forth disagreements which flowed between now Ambassador Doug Kmiec and I during the last Presidential campaign. Doug is a friend, albeit one with whom I held a very serious disagreement. His quickly written book released during the last Presidential campaign was entitled "Can a Catholic Support Him?" and subtitled "Asking the Big Question about Barrack Obama". It made a serious impact on the last Presidential election.

In the forward to the book he was kind enough to acknowledge me with these words "Deacon Keith Fournier's writing and editing of Catholic Online is courageous and wise". However, when I reviewed the book, I made my absolute disagreement with his position unequivocally clear. He asked the wrong question.

The proper question was not "can" but "should". The word "can" addresses the issue of capacity and ability. Any Catholic can exercise their right to vote in any manner in which they choose. The question is should they vote for someone whose position will not promote the fundamental truth that every human person has a fundamental right to life?

The Church to which Doug and I both belong does not tell people how to vote, in the sense of which candidate to choose in an election. "Should" on the other hand examines the morality of that choice given our obligation to exercise our freedom with reference to the truth.

In short, what is our duty? Sadly, in his argumentation in this book, Doug confused and conflated the two. It is on that fundamental point that I completely disagreed with Doug Kmiec, and I made my disagreement widely known. Doug Kmiec was wrong. Sadly, he also led many astray.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008election; catholic; dougkmiec; douglaskmiec; kmiec; obama; proabortion; prolife
To this day, I am flabbergasted by Doug's position during the last presidential campaign and his decision to support Barack Obama. However, I still consider Doug to be a friend. Friends can make wrong decisions. If we care about them at all, we pray for their conversion. If being deceived by a Presidential candidate is Doug's major fault, we have all made the same mistake. Welcome home Doug, give me a call.
1 posted on 04/17/2011 5:52:43 PM PDT by tcg
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To: tcg
Friends can make wrong decisions.

Friends can make wrong decisions...
...but when they promote - either directly or through who they promote, or in this case, who they work for - the killing of babies, then they quickly move from "friend" to "fiend".

2 posted on 04/17/2011 6:00:46 PM PDT by Yossarian (Heartfelt thanks, Tea Party Patriots! Despite slander and muck, you pulled through!)
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To: tcg

Still one of the most baffling stories of the 2008 election season.


3 posted on 04/17/2011 6:01:26 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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4 posted on 04/17/2011 6:03:07 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: tcg

That was a serious sin with a lot of consequences. Frankly, it would be easier to repent after murdering somebody. Because the sad effects of his support for Obama the baby killer are still with us today.

And they will be with us tomorrow, whether or not he repents and confesses. He has a heavy burden on his conscience.


5 posted on 04/17/2011 6:04:12 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: tcg
It made a serious impact on the last Presidential election.

Yes it did make an impact, it got him elected. Great job fool.
6 posted on 04/17/2011 6:04:26 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks tcg.


7 posted on 04/17/2011 6:09:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: tcg

Another one under the bus.


8 posted on 04/17/2011 6:09:28 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: tcg

While an Illinois state senator, just about the only controversial issue on which Obama took a position more definitive than a vote of “present” was the law to prevent the killing of abortion survivors, which Obama opposed vigorously and often.

Then, while running for president, Obama continuously dissembled and misrepresented his position on that issue, doing everything in his power to compound his callousness towards abortion survivors by cold acts of deception about his motives.

Anybody intelligent, politiical-attuned person calling themselves a Catholic and then supporting Obama for the presidency had to be either extremely gullible or dishonestly opportunistic (or both).


9 posted on 04/17/2011 6:11:36 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: tcg

I must have missed the part where Doug recanted his support for Obama.......


10 posted on 04/17/2011 6:12:16 PM PDT by SPRINK
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To: tcg
Welcome home. Take out an ad in 5 major newspapers, and post a youtube video of yourself reading the text: Describe exactly how you were wrong and stupid to endorse Obummer. Repudiate the whole, pansy "social justice" heresy that led you into trouble. Declare your firm intention of doing daily penance for the rest of your life—as reformed abortionist Bernard Nathanson did—of never saying another word in public, and of moving to some far-off place on the Canadian border.

Then do it.

11 posted on 04/17/2011 6:16:13 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Yossarian
It's no coincidence that this story is being posted on Palm Sunday.

Thirty pieces of silver will always do the trick -- won't it, Doug?

12 posted on 04/17/2011 6:23:10 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: tcg

I don’t know him and I actually didn’t think he was a very important “conservative Catholic,” so I was a little surprised that anybody actually cared what he thought. But evidently he had a following, and he did an enormous disservice to the Catholic Church by supporting Obama.

I think he should apologize publicly and repudiate his position on Obama and Obama’s policies. And I think his friends owe him the decency of a reality check, too; he has done a great deal of harm, and he should have to come to grips with it.


13 posted on 04/17/2011 6:39:33 PM PDT by livius
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To: tcg
However, I still consider Doug to be a friend. Friends can make wrong decisions.

Bullcrap. Traitors are traitors, not "friends who make wrong decisions". Kmiec can NEVER be forgiven. what he did was despicable and inexcusable. and he should rightly continue to be shunned by the pro-life community he knowingly, deliberately betrayed.

14 posted on 04/17/2011 6:54:36 PM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Cicero

“He has a heavy burden on his conscience.” ~ Cicero

Apparently not. Read what Fournier wrote about the Youtube “resignation” video Kmiec made:

“The You Tube lead in to this article is an example of the sophistry which Doug Kmiec not only promoted but advanced.”

Kmiec VIDEO: http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=41080

“To this day, I am of the opinion that Doug was used by the Obama campaign. ....”


15 posted on 04/17/2011 6:59:45 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Freedom's Just Another Word For Nothing Left to Tax " ~ Gagdad Bob)
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To: tcg

You don’t want to speculate, but I do. What he did was nothing sort of whoring. Of course, the price is not necessarily something like 30 pieces of silver. Pride. Identity to be acknowledged as a ‘broad-minded person’. (False sense of) martyrdom. The list could go on.


16 posted on 04/17/2011 6:59:50 PM PDT by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen of former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: paudio
sort of

...short of...

17 posted on 04/17/2011 7:08:58 PM PDT by paudio (The differences between Clinton and 0bama? About a dozen of former Democratic Congressmen.)
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To: tcg

The majority of voters were deceived, are still deceived. Even the elect, if that were possible.


18 posted on 04/17/2011 7:33:14 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Sorry for typos: typed with IPhone)
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To: tcg

He was a fool. How do you get back from that?


19 posted on 04/17/2011 7:51:39 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Shakey Jake said, " The hippies will never survive!")
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To: tcg

“..we have all made the same mistake.”

Er, no we haven’t all made that mistake. Although many of us have, and maybe that’s not so bad. (To avoid this mistake do what my mother did, always vote for the Republican.)

But for a prominent Catholic to have lent his support to an abortion loving, communist, empty suit like Barack Obama, what can I say? That’s a whopper!

And why, why did he support him? That was never clear to me. At least with David Brooks we know it was the tailoring.

And, see how Kmiec got rewarded for his support? Under the bus, with grandma, rev, wright and the rest of the gang.

President Obama is a despicable person and Doug Kmiec seems quite troubled.


20 posted on 04/18/2011 1:28:26 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: tcg

How does one remain a friend with someone who actively supports abortion, a sin that cries to the heavens for vengance? Kmiec is as guilty as 0bambi and as guilty as the mass-murdering fiends who commit this grisly crime on a daily basis.

I seee nowhere that he has recanted, much less confessed his sin. If he belongs to the same church as the writer, then truly there is no room for me, as the bishop of Wilmington said to me.


21 posted on 04/18/2011 1:43:23 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: tcg

Didn’t Jesus say that if you lead believers away, you will have a millstone tied around your neck and thrown into the water?


22 posted on 04/18/2011 2:29:06 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: tcg
Another useful idiot wakes up. The infuriating part was that Kjerk was smug enough to try to justify his cooperation with evil and make thirty pieces of silver with his book. His assignment to Malta was an insult to the people of Malta - they try mightily to practice their Catholic faith and were sent a phony like Kjerk who was just a mouth piece for evil. No wonder so many good people around the world hate America.
23 posted on 04/18/2011 5:07:21 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: tcg

Is he admitting his error? if so, he owes it to Catholics far and wide to be as open about discussing his error in judgement, as he was in flogging Obama as a candidate that Catholics could in good conscience support [and he definitely must be forthright about opposing Obama for reelection, as well]


24 posted on 04/18/2011 5:19:47 AM PDT by xsmommy
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