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Electric cars: night-time charging better - study
Yahoo ^ | 4/18/11 | AFP

Posted on 04/18/2011 9:10:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

PARIS (AFP) – Charging electric cars at night eases a smog problem caused by fossil-fuel plants which provide the power for these vehicles, researchers reported on Tuesday.

Plug-in cars are viewed as a key tool in the fight for a cleaner planet as they do not emit tailpipe pollution when they run on electricity.

But they contribute indirectly to pollution, as well as global warming, if their electricity comes from a power station that runs on coal, oil or gas.

In a study published in a British journal, scientists in the United States simulated the local impact from "plug-in hybrid electric vehicles," or PHEVs, which are cars that can switch from battery power to petrol.

Their computer model was based on predictions for 2018 of emissions of nitrogen oxides, the basic ingredient for ground-level ozone, in four major cities in Texas: Dallas/Forth Worth, Houston, Austin and San Antonio.

Power generation for this grid in 2009 was provided by gas (46 percent), coal (35 percent), nuclear (13 percent) and wind (4.5 percent).

The study compared likely pollution levels when 20 percent of mileage in the region was carried out either by PHEVs or by vehicles that were only petrol-powered.

Regardless of the scenario, ozone pollution improved when PHVs were used, because they did not emit nitrogen oxides.

As for when PHEVs should be recharged, the paper found it was smarter to plug in the vehicle at night.

Extra demand from fossil-fuel power stations at night did cause levels of nitrogen oxides to rise compared to the typically shorter recharging periods in daytime.

But much of the gas emitted at night time had dissipated by daybreak. This eased the smog problem by a small but detectable margin.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: charging; efv; electriccars; energy; nighttime; study

1 posted on 04/18/2011 9:10:56 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Libs obviously don’t understand Physics. They must think that the electricity that powers their Chevy Volt plug-in charger appears there by magic.


2 posted on 04/18/2011 9:15:23 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: NormsRevenge

ICE powered automobiles have gotten so clean in the last 30 years that a lot of the original justification for EVs is gone. The main justification now is to reduce reliance on foreign oil. But that requires mining, drilling and recovering domestic oil, coal and uranium, something the envirokooks are unable to do. The wind doesn’t blow at night and the sun sure doesn’t shine at night, so, if you want to charge your EVs at night, you need enormous and costly energy storage systems. The envirokooks won’t let you build pumped hydro storage and there are very few locations where underground compressed air storage is practical.

The only solution is to ride your bicycle or walk. Or maybe take the high speed train.


3 posted on 04/18/2011 9:16:08 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: steelyourfaith; Red Badger

ping.


4 posted on 04/18/2011 9:16:20 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NormsRevenge

“a smog problem caused by fossil-fuel plants which provide the power for these vehicles”

Whaa??? Liberal arrogance and stupidity didn’t take this in to account with their coal-powered cars?
WHODATHUNKIT....


5 posted on 04/18/2011 9:19:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (2012 Slogan: "You'd Have To Be Insane, To Vote For Hussein!")
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To: NormsRevenge
I thought France obtained half of its electric generation capacity through a standardized nuclear system.

Not that I would drive a golf cart to work.

6 posted on 04/18/2011 9:20:26 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: wjcsux

Naw, they think that electricity comes from the same unicorns that poop those pretty skittles!

Bad enough they’ve got to think about coal being burned to charge their car, but also nuke plants!


7 posted on 04/18/2011 9:21:00 PM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: NormsRevenge

And burns garages down during the daytime.


8 posted on 04/18/2011 9:21:08 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: NormsRevenge
DUH!

I figured that out the moment electric cars were being touted as "green".
9 posted on 04/18/2011 9:24:08 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: tcrlaf
They follow-up with this: But much of the gas emitted at night time had dissipated by daybreak.

So, the smog from charging an electric vehicle is okay. "Hey, the wind blew it away." Emissions from a conventional vehicle is bad (even when the wind blows it away), but EV-related smog is okay.
10 posted on 04/18/2011 9:24:57 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Ugh, it IS getting late:

“Emissions from a conventional vehicle is bad...” should be “Emissions from a conventional vehicle are bad “


11 posted on 04/18/2011 9:27:56 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
The only solution is to ride your bicycle or walk. Or maybe take the high speed train.

None of those choices are an option for folks living in the remote, vast stretches of the West.

12 posted on 04/18/2011 9:27:57 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: wjcsux
Libs obviously don’t understand Physics. They must think that the electricity that powers their Chevy Volt plug-in charger appears there by magic.

So true. That's why I show them these:

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13 posted on 04/18/2011 9:34:32 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Electric cars make no sense as a reducing factor for oil consumption unless the electricity is produced by nuclear facilities. Meanwhile, the planet is ready to explode (e.g. Hawthorne, NV) because we are not drilling enough. God has given us resources more abundant than we can imagine, but we are saddled with liberal Democrats (lawyers, bureaucrats, and their media) to inhibit use of same.
14 posted on 04/18/2011 9:45:49 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
unfortunately, in a country with as much rural environment as the USA possesses, ‘ride your bike’ is simply impractical for the vast majority that commute more than 5 miles for employment. One might as well say, 'ride a horse.'
15 posted on 04/18/2011 10:04:32 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
The only solution is to ride your bicycle or walk.

I'll gladly follow the EPA employees to work in January, here. Let'em break trail at -30F.

Or maybe take the high speed train.

As soon as it gets here and goes where I need to. (I should live so long!)

16 posted on 04/18/2011 10:24:56 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: mmercier
Not that I would drive a golf cart to work.

Obama does.

17 posted on 04/18/2011 10:26:54 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: NormsRevenge

When your electric car bursts into flames, you got a great personal toxic waste dump. That’s real good for the environment.


18 posted on 04/18/2011 10:40:26 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me.)
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To: blueplum; Inyo-Mono; Smokin' Joe

Sell your house. Sell your anachronistic gasoline powered vehicles. Move to a dense urban area. Find a new job. Live in a high-rise next to the RR tracks. Resistance is futile. Your future has been ordained.


19 posted on 04/18/2011 10:55:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Move to a dense urban area.

Do you have a more 'enlightened' area? I'm just not dense enough to move to an urban area.

20 posted on 04/18/2011 11:06:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Nope. They’ll never find me.


21 posted on 04/18/2011 11:12:53 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: NormsRevenge

22 posted on 04/18/2011 11:29:12 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: Smokin' Joe
For us rural types, there is a solution, though a tad bit expensive.

In Alfred Bester's The Stars My Destination the protagonist, Gulliver Foyle, "drove" to a "conspicuous consumption party", by having a track laying machine moving ahead of his private (steam!) locomotive & luxury train car.

It was followed by another machine & crew that took up the tracks & ties behind him, to be moved ahead and relaid, until he reached his destnation.

Not exactly "high speed" rail, but it does take you where and when you want to go. ;-')

23 posted on 04/18/2011 11:46:43 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"The wind doesn’t blow at night and the sun sure doesn’t shine at night, so, if you want to charge your EVs at night, you need enormous and costly energy storage systems."

You "might" want to re-examine that statement. I can guaran-damn-tee you that the wind most decidedly DOES "blow at night". Weather fronts don't give a damn about day/night.

I've spent many a night listening to the wind howl outside as a strong front passes, and woken in the morning to news reports of trees down on roads, houses, and other wind-storm related damage.

24 posted on 04/19/2011 4:58:55 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Electric cars make no sense as a reducing factor for oil consumption unless the electricity is produced by nuclear facilities."

Very little electricity is produced using oil. Most generation is done using coal and natural gas, with coal decreasing and natural gas increasing.

25 posted on 04/19/2011 5:01:16 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: NormsRevenge

Why not just get a small trailer that has a diesel generator that will charge the battery while on the road?


26 posted on 04/19/2011 5:08:26 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Communism is a diease, a global failure and endorses Barack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Army Air Corps
The creation of smog is a photochemical reaction, it accelerates in the presence of sunlight. At night far less smog is created. Also, during the spring, fall, and winter, the days are shorter and the sun is closer to the horizon so there is less smog created because there is less sunlight.

Additionally, smog creation is a chemical reaction influenced by temperature and pressure. For each 10 degrees C you raise the temperature, you double the rate of a chemical reaction. Everything else being equal, if today is 10 degrees C warmer than yesterday, there will be twice as much smog.

27 posted on 04/19/2011 5:36:24 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: wjcsux
They must think that the electricity that powers their Chevy Volt plug-in charger appears there by magic.

They really believe that too. I had a liberal tell me that the electricity cones from electric lines. They have no clue that there has to be something putting the juice INTO the lines.

Produkts ov de US schreul sistimz.

28 posted on 04/19/2011 6:45:02 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Ha! Try that through the badlands. Better have a cog railway...
29 posted on 04/19/2011 7:44:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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