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1 posted on 04/19/2011 7:00:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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There’s a lot of “supposedly”s in the story.


43 posted on 04/19/2011 7:32:02 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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I agree with this article. The Kenyan birth conspiracy is ridiculous. The President was most likely born in Hawaii and most likely has a genuine long form BC that shows as much. And when enough Republicans work themselves into a tizzy over that damn piece of paper, he's going to whip it out and make them look like fools.

So why does he continue to stonewall? Simple. It's nothing more than a big F.U. to a group of people who didn't vote for him in '08 and won't vote for him in '12 regardless of what documents he coughs up.

50 posted on 04/19/2011 7:36:11 AM PDT by Gena Bukin
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Interesting story line. While it would suggest Bo Sr. would have a hard time going to Kenya it doesn’t rule it out. It also raises the question that he may not be the father. Of course, all this is non-factual. All Obama needs to do is present his birth certificate showing he was born here. So far, no certificate.


61 posted on 04/19/2011 7:44:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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Among other reasons why Obama may not want his transcripts out there is that he obviously never took a course in economics, or if he did, it was some cornball fluff like “Marxist Perspectives on Bolivian Village Marketplaces.”


87 posted on 04/19/2011 8:07:38 AM PDT by cookcounty (Eric Holder, Head of the Department of JUST-US.)
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The one thing that amazes me about all this - and maybe it's been answered and I missed it somehow - but it seems that the scope of his "family" is very narrow; for instance, we hear about his mother, and his grandparents...and his "father" (whoever that may be), and occasionally his step-sister, but never any other relatives.

Surely his grandparents had siblings, aunts, uncles, neices, nephews...someone in that family must remember something. In 1961 mixed marriages were not that common and it would have been known in most peoples' close - and not so close - family members.

Has anyone investigated whether his grandpa "Stanley" or his Grandmother had siblings or other relatives?

We are drowning in facts about all this birther business, but starving on people with courage to expose it.
93 posted on 04/19/2011 8:16:01 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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Absolutely. Obama senior sounds like he barely took enough time away from his studies to even conceive the little bastard.

I have never believed the underaged Stanley Ann would have gone so far away to give birth in Africa, in 1961.

She obviously disappeared to have her baby. Since she shows up with a brand newborn Barry in Seattle suddenly, she probably did what Seattle girls-in-trouble did at the time and headed to Canada to one of the Homes for Unwed Mothers in Vancouver. Probably not the catholic one - maybe the salvation army home. It makes sense. She and the parents probably did not know she was too young to confer citizenship on her baby.

I do not see any involvement by the supposed father at any time after they mated. Not sure they really married. But they were never living together.


99 posted on 04/19/2011 8:27:59 AM PDT by Yaelle
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Writer Don Wilkie can’t even keep his own narrative straight in this article.

First he correctly recounts that SADO’s whereabouts can’t be accounted for beginning after the date of her marriage, Feb 2, 1961:

“Continuing with the official story, Obama’s parents were supposedly married February 2, 1961, on the island of Maui when Ann was approximately 2 ½ months pregnant. It is at this point that we lose track of the President’s mother.”

Then Wilke says that during this time which begins with SADO 2 ½ months pregnant she was too pregnant to travel!!!:

“For the birth to have taken place in Kenya, Ann would have been very pregnant and very near her delivery date when the trip was made.”

“We would then have the spectacle of an 18 year-old first time mother, days away from delivery, leaving the comfort and surroundings of her parents’ home (with the blessing of her parents), to embark on a several day exhausting journey, only to arrive in a very third world country to deliver her baby in the primitive medical facilities common in the Africa of 1961. None of this makes sense.”

Wilke has got that right. His own story doesn’s make sense. A woman 2 ½ months pregnant is clearly NOT “very pregnant” or “days away from delivery”!

Regarding the main point of this article...

“If Obama Sr., the father, never traveled to Kenya it would follow that Ann, the mother, never did either.”

...I disagree.

Cross-posted from:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2702976/posts?q=1&;page=542

A la “Sound of Music”: How do you solve a problem like Stanley Ann?

I have been wondering whether pregnant Stanley Ann might have been shipped off to Kenya alone to stay with the missionaries in Kenya to separate her from either of the two KGB operatives FM Davis or BHO Sr., both married to others, either of whose social situations would have been disrupted by public disclosure of the bi-racial baby and or bigamous ”marriage” to Stanley Ann!

FM Davis was associated with the same communist union activities as BHO Sr. There is an HI newspaper story highlighting BHO Sr. giving a speech at a communist front union sponsored event denouncing US policy in Vietnam closely following the Moscow party line. And Stanley Armour Dunham is a close associate of FM Davis with a huge FBI file (and a history of living close to the submarine base near Seattle and the HI navy base...great spying locations for the Soviets) making him a suspect KGB operative as well.

Stanley Ann’s pregnancy could have been very complicated for them all if tied to either FM Davis or publicly to BHO Sr. as an undergrad exchange student. Stanley Ann didn’t return to Hawaii until after BHO Sr. had left for Harvard...to intentionally prevent them from crossing paths in public?

And then Madelyn supposedly tells relatives that she was raising Barry after his mom died, implying the mom was not Stanley Ann? Was this just out of middleclass white shame over the bi-racial baby in the family or was it to protect the KGB cell and either FM Davis or BHO Sr.?

“Obama’s angry aunt” might then have actually gotten a letter from BHO Sr. written in Hawaii regarding the birth of Barry in Kenya with the missionaries.


109 posted on 04/19/2011 8:50:02 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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I do not believe Obama was born in Kenya. Kenya has produced people of great quality and Obama shows none of that.


112 posted on 04/19/2011 8:56:19 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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"For the birth to have taken place in Kenya, Ann would have been very pregnant and very near her delivery date when the trip was made..."

While I doubt Obama was born in Kenya, what is the writer's evidence for the above statement?

The writer states earlier that Stanley Ann's whereabouts are unknown, following her marriage to Obama Sr in Hawaii in Febr 1961.

If this is true, why does the writer assume a hypothetical trip to Kenya would have to have taken place "very near her delivery date" ?

Why could not the trip have taken place when she was, say, 6 months pregnant in mid-May 1961?

(I tried re-reading the article to see if I missed some part of the writer's reasoning, but still couldn't find it. If anybody has figured this out, please let me know. )

130 posted on 04/19/2011 10:09:07 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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I too think it's unlikely that Barry was born in Kenya. (Grandma misunderstood the question.)
I think the most probable scenario is that his long form BC is amended to reflect adoption by Lolo Soetoro, and names him Barry Soetoro. That's what's on file. (The so-called COLB is a fabrication.) Revelation of the long form would likely lead to further disclosures about use of Indonesian citizenship to obtain student benefits, etc., into his adult years. Never a legal name change to Obama. Falsehoods galore. Very embarrassing.

131 posted on 04/19/2011 10:10:47 AM PDT by Genoa (Just show it)
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Perhaps the focus should be more general? Let's get Obama's past on record. How did he do in college? Release the high school and college transcripts.

I'd like to see Sarah Palin's transcripts (and I know they won't be perfect since she was paying her own way), and DeMint's if he runs, and Bachmann's, and those of any RINO (yeah, even Romney and the Huckster). Make a production of the fact that releasing records on their past is an important part of disclosure and understanding the whole person. Release a full, long-form birth certificate and a full college transcript on every candidate except Obama, and there will be more pressure to comply with the legitimate request to release the transcripts. That leaves an obvious hole if Obama refuses to release his transcripts, and even if he releases them but doesn't release the long-form bc.

[Note: I'm posting this on several threads because I think this tactic may make a difference in saving America and I want to hear feedback.]

134 posted on 04/19/2011 10:47:55 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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Damn, Don! If you had spent as much time exploring the aspects of natural born citizenship you might have an article worth reading.


152 posted on 04/19/2011 4:22:50 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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“It is at this point that we lose track of the President’s mother. She is not enrolled at the University of Hawaii [after Fall quarter 1960]. No one sees her (with the possible exception of self appointed best friend Neil Abercrombie, current Governor of Hawaii), and no one can vouch for her whereabouts.”

They don’t see her because she’s not there. She’s age 18, gets pregnant out of wedlock by a UK national of African race in Hawaii, it’s 1961.... how do you think the parents felt? She’s estranged from parents, in addition, Obama Sr. was already married. Crime of bigamy in Hawaii; therefore both left Xmas vacation btwn quarters, most likely married in Kenya with Stanley Ann living in Kenya and Obama Sr. returning to classes at Univ of Hawaii Spring 1961 as his transcript shows.

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv47/MissieBessie/barackobamatranscript-1.jpg

“Obama Sr. had no money. He certainly wouldn’t have had the money for two airplane tickets to Kenya. If that trip took place, Ann’s parents would have to have paid the fare.”

BOAC British Overseas Airways Corporation, allowed students, missionary and military to fly free or at reduced rates if flights weren’t full.

“The distance between Honolulu and Nairobi, Kenya is approximately 10,700 miles. In 1961 there would not have been any direct flights, necessitating several stops and perhaps several overnight layovers.”

Stanley Ann didn’t return to Hawaii, she returned to old stomping grounds Mercer Island, Washington. Routes at the time: Nairobi - Glascow - Vancouver.

“...18 year-old first time mother, days away from delivery, leaving the comfort and surroundings of her parents’ home (with the blessing of her parents), to embark on a several day exhausting journey, only to arrive in a very third world country to deliver her baby in the primitive medical facilities common in the Africa of 1961.”

She’s already in Kenya estranged from parents. Two missionaries witnessed a distressed white girl named Stanley who was denied boarding a plane for return trip because of her late pregnant condition. Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa had trained staff British Colonial Service.

And Stanley Ann would often leave the comfort and surroundings of her parent’s home, by living in Mercer Island attending Washington University alone away from parents, and years later, the independant woman would again repeat her previous behavior — marry a foreigner, and go live abroad in another third world developing country, have another child, Maya.

Running off to a foreign country, while seemingly rare to those who live stagnant existence, is actually commonplace for a certain crowd, and holds adventure and romanticism to those who have lived abroad and met similar people in their travels. There are married women traveling alone in Europe, there are people that run off abroad all the time. Doesn’t always make sense, but it most assuredly does happen.

What doesn’t make sense is how the media potrays Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann as a couple when they never lived together and were separated clearly early on. And then Stanley is alone back at her old childhood place at Mercer Island shortly after giving birth. Whether or not Zero is with her is unknown. Perhaps he was with step-Granny Sarah for a short time, who Zero is close with to this day.

There is also no account of where Stanley Ann was after leaving Univ of Washington Spring 1962 until starting back at Univ of Hawaii Spring 1963.

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/ObamaPix/AnnaObamaUnivofWashington-highlight.jpg

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/DunhamUnivofHawaiiFOIA.jpg


156 posted on 04/19/2011 6:09:47 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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