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Mn/DOT to test driver's 'mileage tax'
KARE ^ | April 19, 2011

Posted on 04/19/2011 12:36:15 PM PDT by La Lydia

GOLDEN VALLEY, Minn. -- The Minnesota Department of Transportation is looking for 500 people to test technology that could someday be used to collect a mileage-based user fee. Mn/DOT anticipates a fee on road usage might someday be necessary as more fuel efficient and hybrid cars are on the road, decreasing revenue from the gas tax.

"This research will provide important feedback from motorists about the effectiveness of using technology in a car or truck to gather mileage information," said Cory Johnson, project manager. "We are researching alternative financing methods today that could be used 10 or 20 years from now when the number of fuel efficient and hybrid cars increase and no longer produce enough revenue from a gas tax to build and repair roads."

Recruiting for the Minnesota Road Fee Test will begin in May, with research starting in July. Volunteers must be from Hennepin or Wright County. Drivers will be given smart phones with a GPS application that has been programmed to allow them to submit information. Volunteers will get a small stipend for expenses associated with the test. The research is scheduled to end by December 2012.

The state of Oregon completed a similar study in November 2007. Iowa, Nevada and Texas are currently researching mileage-based user fees.

Mn/DOT says that if a mileage-based user fee were implemented, motorists would pay a fee based on how many miles they driver, rather than how much gas a vehicle uses, which is how Minnesota's gas tax is currently designed....


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; enviros; liberty; mileage; mybluehell; roads; tax; totalitarianism
This is just TOO MUCH government control over our lives. Hitler would have loved it. And I bet they aren't talking about reducing the gas tax if they impose this, either.
1 posted on 04/19/2011 12:36:18 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
"...a mileage-based user fee."

Sounds like a tax.

2 posted on 04/19/2011 12:39:17 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: La Lydia
Mn/DOT anticipates a fee on road usage might someday be necessary as more fuel efficient and hybrid cars are on the road, decreasing revenue from the gas tax.

If that's the problem they're trying to solve, there are less intrusive ways to accomplish it. (I conclude they are lying about the purpose.)

3 posted on 04/19/2011 12:42:31 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: La Lydia
Any body in government that thinks this a good ideal should get the hell out of government, they are in the wrong country.
4 posted on 04/19/2011 12:43:03 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: La Lydia

Sadly they’ll wind up w/ well more than 500 drooling imbeciles demand more govt oversight of their lives....and yours.


5 posted on 04/19/2011 12:45:05 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: La Lydia

Good God.

as a native son,, what the hell happened to MInniesoda..


6 posted on 04/19/2011 12:45:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: La Lydia

Our forefathers would be shooting by now.


7 posted on 04/19/2011 12:45:24 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: La Lydia

I foresee a lot of problems with this, not the least of which is that there is a good chance that they will keep both types of taxes (remember the Federal Government gets a good portion of the tax on fuel).

Next, currently the tax is collected at the point of sell, the mechancism is already in place. It is difficult to cheat.

However, how are they going to figure out the miles driven? Attach a GPS device to your car? Talk about big brother.

Then there will be the forms to fill out, and then a department to process the forms, more unionized government employees.

The bottom line in all this is that governments want more money. It does not matter how much money they get, they always want more and they keep finding ways to get it.

This is an impossible situation and it can not continue forever. The American people are waking up but instead of addressing the concerns of the people, this administration along with their friends in the media are demonizing those that what to get spending under control.

This use to work. However, the American taxpayers are being pushed into a corner. Like any animal pushed into a corner with no way out, they become unpredictable,

I don’t think this is going to turn out well for those that believe in unlimited government and unlimited spending.


8 posted on 04/19/2011 12:49:57 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: La Lydia

The tax on our gasoline is already a mileage tax. The more you drive the more you pay.


9 posted on 04/19/2011 12:54:05 PM PDT by weef
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To: La Lydia

We already pay a mileage tax...the taxes we pay on gas. Of course, some of us pay more than others depending on our mileage.


10 posted on 04/19/2011 12:54:38 PM PDT by Poseidon
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To: La Lydia
And there it is. The LIE.

Smart phones / GPS / programmed to transmit data.

So are they collecting the tax every day? Week?

No?

Then they do NOT need “GPS application that has been programmed to allow them to submit information”

The information is built into every damn car on the road.

It is an odometer.

The ONLY reason for GPS is to track where you are going, not how many miles you drove.

This is nothing more than desensitizing American Citizens to being tracked and watched every minute of every day.

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11 posted on 04/19/2011 12:54:43 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: La Lydia
If a government agent attempt to put one of these on my call, I will shoot them. Period.

In a note of irony, if the libertarian had their way... I'd be ok contracting with a private road firm for this same service.

I just don't want the GOVERNMENT having that much control over my movement.

12 posted on 04/19/2011 12:57:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: La Lydia

10 years from now:
1. They won’t charge you for the drive to the abortion center , the union hall, or the Obama “re-election” campaign rallies. In fact, you might even get a rebate.
2. They will charge you $5.00 per mile to go to any Tea Party rally or church.


13 posted on 04/19/2011 12:59:25 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Dead Corpse
...on my car...

Darn it... Mad enough about this one that I can't type...

14 posted on 04/19/2011 12:59:25 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
However, how are they going to figure out the miles driven?

Easy, vehicle inspections buy "state approved inspectors". Oh, goody, MORE Gov't employees!

15 posted on 04/19/2011 1:01:07 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: La Lydia
If they want to make people drive fuel efficient cars, this is exactly the wrong way to go about it.
If I plop down an extra 15 grand on a 'green' car and it will eventually cost just as much to drive, then what's the point?

16 posted on 04/19/2011 1:08:19 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: 556x45

“Sadly they’ll wind up w/ well more than 500 drooling imbeciles demand more govt oversight of their lives....and yours.”

And THAT, my FRiend, is the most pathetic part of the entire concept.


17 posted on 04/19/2011 1:19:49 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Which has more wrinkles? Helen Thomas' face or Lawrence O'Donnells' panties?)
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To: La Lydia

This is a horrible idea even for Marx Dayton.


18 posted on 04/19/2011 1:22:19 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: La Lydia

It’s not going anywhere while the conservative Republicans now control both houses of the MN legislature.

Never-the-less, it certainly reveals alot about government attitudes toward our wallets, doesn’t it?


19 posted on 04/19/2011 1:27:18 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: La Lydia

we are already taxed by the mile with the gas we buy.

this is double tax!


20 posted on 04/19/2011 1:39:06 PM PDT by devistate one four (United states code 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: TLI
The ONLY reason for GPS is to track where you are going, not how many miles you drove.

It is not about mileage, it is about control.

imagine getting a speeding ticket in the mail because the GPS unit ratted you out.

Imagine your car showing up in a parking lot where anti-government demonstrators park and having it tracked for years afterward.

Imagine having ATF agents showing up at your house when guns are banned because you parked in a gun show parking lot.

Imagine what they could do if the government knew where you were at any given moment of any day in the future?

It's not about taxes, it about control and gathering information about you.

21 posted on 04/19/2011 1:50:21 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: La Lydia

When Obama implements his mileage-based system for controlling us, he will just mandate the installation of the Progressive MyRate tracking device on all cars.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/12/progressive_insurance_offers_d.html


22 posted on 04/19/2011 1:54:48 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: La Lydia

The gas tax is very interesting. We like to bitch about paying 40 or 50 cents a gallon and still having to drive on crowded highways. But the bottom line is that 40 or 50 cents per gallon is about 2 cents per mile. That is DAMN CHEAP for all the highways we have.

Next you look at public toll roads. Their cost ranges from about 5 cents per mile to 15 (maybe 20 in some cases). ANY toll road that charges over 10 cents per mile is SWIMMING in money (assuming that they have a captive audience that needs the road) and winds up dishing out half of their revenue to other ‘worthy’ causes (like the trains here in Houston). It simply becomes a ‘revenue engine’ as transportation planners derisively call it.

Then private toll roads. There still aren’t too many, but the ones out there are around 20 to 30 cents a mile. They can charge that much because they (generally) have a captive audience and have a protected MONOPOLY, without ANY political accountability (so they charge as much as they can to maximize revenue...without regard to their cost). The gas tax in Europe, which gives them $8.00 to $9.00 gas prices comes out to around 25 cents per mile - 90% of that tax is used for higher priority causes, such as health care. Here in Texas, our governor wanted to essentially hand over our highways to private ownership...and A LOT of people on this site were just gung-ho for the idea (or they were FReeping out of the governor’s office...since they did seem to go away once the governor, supposedly, dropped the plan). No matter what, this crap has to be STOPPED.

Finally, you have toll roads that use ‘Congestion Pricing’, which can go as high as one dollar per mile, at peak times (State Highway 91 in California). They charge that much because people are willing to spend $10 to drive 10 miles in 10 minutes, rather than an hour.

So when people here bitch about the gas tax going up a dime about half a cent per mile (while still being used on highways) because of efficient cars or construction costs, I’m sorry, but I turn into a liberal and say, LET’S DO IT. Because the alternatives to that level of increase are MUCH, MUCH, WORSE. And something WILL BE done, you cannot have highways without paying for them. The only question is whether the money paid by drivers will be used for highways, or used, primarily, for lots of other pet projects.

And you start seeing what happens now. As we price driving by the mile, does anyone here really think that it will stop at 2.0 or 2.5 cents per mile...when people elsewhere ARE WILLING to pay 30 cents per mile? Nope - once the system is in place, look for tomorrow’s drivers to be CASH COWS for lots of government programs...and if they get around to it, they may even spend some money on roads.

So sorry Ray LaHood, Mitch Daniels, and Rick Perry, you will NEVER get me on board (for any of the above schemes, beyond the gas tax).


23 posted on 04/19/2011 2:05:18 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: Gumdrop

They already have provided $5 million for this “test.”


24 posted on 04/19/2011 2:25:23 PM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: La Lydia

Every American Citizen should REFUSE to participate (though sadly there are more than enough DFL whack jobs in Minnesota to give them their 500)

If they thought the reaction to the 55MPH speed limit was fun...


25 posted on 04/19/2011 3:02:45 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

But the 55 MPH speed limited lasted ... how many years?


26 posted on 04/19/2011 3:07:14 PM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I agree...plus let us not forget that this idea will be sold as creating 500 jobs for the state! WOOWEE... more government jobs that do not create a value added service, or need item.

What I find seriously funny about all of this, is for the amount of money that could possibly be lost due to a hybrid (which is not really all that practical in our frozen tundra) could never be made up in this so called fee.

There is no way it is a cost effective benefit to anyone, including the state government. In my humble opinion.

But then again, our dear Governor is not really concerned apparently in being fiscally responsible is he? I mean to the real people of the state who are trying to make their way in this state.


27 posted on 04/20/2011 9:02:09 AM PDT by Samkay (Gotta love the snow at Easter time... ugh.)
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To: Ben Hecks
when heavily regulated ‘private’ businesses ‘team up’ with goobermint to enact more regulation, you have fascism.
28 posted on 05/05/2011 3:08:37 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Looks like Obama has a similar plan for the entire country:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile


29 posted on 05/05/2011 3:37:26 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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