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Michigan Police Could Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops [what's a 'constitution'?]
Slashdot ^ | 4/19/11 | timothy

Posted on 04/19/2011 4:43:57 PM PDT by Clint Williams

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To: Admin Moderator; TigersEye
Yes indeed, it got out of control.

Tensions are running high and everyone is turning on each other...we can't let that happen.

I call truce, we're all on the same side, we have to remember that.

101 posted on 04/19/2011 9:59:24 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Admin Moderator; Las Vegas Ron
You both know it is against the rules.

I didn't know that but I didn't post any here. It used to be the best way to get someone to stop with harassing FReep-mails, was never deleted before and I always redacted the profanity.

In any case; if that's the rule now then that's the rule.

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No problems, Ron. It's over.

102 posted on 04/19/2011 10:07:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
No problems, Ron. It's over.

Amen FRiend...that was a down and dirty argument that wasn't worthy of either of us....must be a sign of how frustrated and angry we both really are....just damn.

We have to learn to keep our heads and remember who the real enemy is.

I hope you have a great night!

103 posted on 04/19/2011 10:17:53 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Same to you, FRiend. No harm no foul over here.

FWIW I never really thought you were drinking.

104 posted on 04/19/2011 10:26:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Loyal Sedition
You have no clue who I am

Peewee Herman!

105 posted on 04/20/2011 4:00:32 AM PDT by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: CodeToad

106 posted on 04/20/2011 5:15:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Clint Williams

For those who say the police are all good with only a few rotten ones, please pay attention.


107 posted on 04/20/2011 5:29:18 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Pollster1

The current view is that since you don’t own the cell network, and in many cases the phone itself, you have no right to privacy.

Same with email by the way.


108 posted on 04/20/2011 5:33:32 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; TigersEye
BTW, you have presented no argument as to how I am “drunk”

You said something he apparently disagreed with, so instead of calmly presenting a reasoned argument as to why he believed your statements to be incorrect, he just assumes (or assumes for the purposes of starting a flame war) that you're drunk.

Happens all the time here on FR.

109 posted on 04/20/2011 6:05:50 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: redgolum
The current view is that since you don’t own the cell network, and in many cases the phone itself, you have no right to privacy. Same with email by the way.

The "current view" is wrong. There is an expectation of privacy in letters and in comparable but more modern forms of communication, other than a public conversation or public broadcast. These communications should be legally protected by the 4th Amendment, and the fact that they are not is evidence that those in power in our country have no respect for the Constitution and for the rule of law. I want criminals locked up for a very long time to protect decent people, but I want it done properly. The end does not justify the means.

110 posted on 04/20/2011 6:33:17 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Popman

Cell phones are now computers, not just phones.

Couple things:
1.It is my understanding that they can search your pockets and their contents once you are out of the car. Kind of like going through your wallet.
2.Would it help if you kept your phone in your vehicle and not in your pocket?
3.Don’t they require a search warrant to view content on computers? This is what the phones really are anymore.


111 posted on 04/20/2011 6:36:48 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Pollster1

I agree with you, but the fact remains the judges do not.


112 posted on 04/20/2011 6:50:48 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Clint Williams

Cries of racial profiling should make it easy for the pigs to further scrutinze even more of the wrong people.


113 posted on 04/20/2011 8:55:56 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: apillar
There was a piece of software for the PC I read about a while back that not only encrypted your sensitive data, but also allowed you to set up two separate passwords, your real one and a dummy. If you are forced to reveal the password, you give the dummy password, it appears to work and opens up some folders with whatever harmless garbage you put in it.

TrueCrypt and FreeOTFE have that "plausible denyability" feature.

There was also an option that when the dummy password was entered and the "harmless folder was opened" then information in the "sensitive folder" would be military grade wiped and overwritten.

I don't know about that feature -- it wouldn't be all that useful, since it could be easily defeated (back up the encrypted files before trying to open them).

114 posted on 04/20/2011 11:09:05 AM PDT by technonerd
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To: DariusBane

Conservatives don’t defend traffic checkpoints


115 posted on 04/20/2011 1:06:18 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: jospehm20

You Wrote: “Conservatives don’t defend traffic checkpoints”.

Ha, I wish that was true.

I argued for quite some time yesterday with a long time Freeper who very vigorously defended checkpoints. Advocate their use. Plot new checkpoints. Laugh at search and seizure restrictions. Think Probable Cause is unfortunant and must be thwarted. Hate the 5th Amendment. Lots of Law and Order Conservatives love checkpoints. No joke:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2706684/posts

This is not the first argument I have had on the subject of checkpoints. I have had many arguments about Red Flex, and red light cameras, RICO, Police Beat-downs of “feral humans”. I have argued that Cops should be video taped, audio taped and photographed while doing their jobs. Many Freepers don’t like that. I have argued endlessly against a powerful surveillance State. Many Freepers want a surveillance State.

Their exists an ugly cancer of Statism, Autocracy, in the conservative ranks. Thomas Jefferson, and two centuries has not been able to destroy the Royalist impulses. Remember, the USA is made of of the English, Scots, Irish, Germans, Danes, French, Italians. All people who when we were founded had Kings and Queens. It is still with us.


116 posted on 04/20/2011 1:55:39 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: DariusBane

I agree. I do not understand how anybody who says they love freedom can support police stopping all traffic and doing the “papers, please” routine. That is what the Gestapo guys say in WWII movies. If people really want to cut down drunk driving, they should demand tough penalties for people who actually do something to get caught while driving drunk. Leave everybody else alone until they commit a crime. I am just not down with the “everybody needs to be treated like a criminal and harrassed” approach to law enforcement we have allowed to develop.


117 posted on 04/20/2011 3:53:40 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Here's a quarter. Buy yourself a clue.


118 posted on 04/20/2011 3:54:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
Here's a quarter. Buy yourself a clue.

I know it's old, but it's probably still going to cost more than a quarter.


119 posted on 04/20/2011 4:11:37 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

That game is too easy to win. When your first turn comes around you just say “Bush did it in the Oval Office.” Game over! ;^)


120 posted on 04/20/2011 4:45:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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