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Energy saving bulbs 'release cancer causing chemicals', say scientists (CFL lightbulb warning)
dailymail uk ^ | 11-20-11

Posted on 04/20/2011 8:08:21 AM PDT by rawhide

Energy saving bulbs emit cancer causing chemicals it was claimed last night as new fears were raised about their safety.

Scientists said they should not be left on for long periods of time or placed close to a person's head because they release poisonous materials.

The EU has unveiled plans to phase out 'normal' incandescent bulbs by the end of next year as they try to cut carbon emissions.

They should not be used by adults to read or kept near a child's head all night, the experts said.

While it is already known that harmful amounts of Mercury are released if one of the new 'green' bulbs is broken, the latest research shows other carcinogenic chemicals are emitted when they are switched on.

The German research shows that the chemicals are released as a form of steam.

The harmful substances include phenol - a poison injected by the Nazis to kill thousands of concentration camp victims during World War II - and the human toxins naphthalene and styrene.

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(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bulbs; cancer; cfl; energy
The harmful substances include phenol - a poison injected by the Nazis to kill thousands of concentration camp victims during World War II - and the human toxins naphthalene and styrene.

This caught my attention. I'm glad I have a lifetime supply of the incandesant lightbulbs stored away. No CFL's for me.

1 posted on 04/20/2011 8:08:25 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Normandy; FreedomPoster; Para-Ord.45; Entrepreneur; tubebender; ...
If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!!!!

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 04/20/2011 8:11:47 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: rawhide

There is a mounting body of evidence that seems to indicate that the light given off from these lights is harmful also.

Good thing the government is stepping in and forcing us all to get them.


3 posted on 04/20/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: rawhide

We’ll be down to using candles, then they’ll ban those too because they release CO2.


4 posted on 04/20/2011 8:15:48 AM PDT by RockinRight (Trump's "fake" conservatism is still better than the "real" conservatism of most of the GOP.)
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To: rawhide


5 posted on 04/20/2011 8:18:06 AM PDT by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: rawhide
ICEMAKER VOLT
6 posted on 04/20/2011 8:19:31 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: rawhide
"Electrical smog "

WTF?

7 posted on 04/20/2011 8:21:30 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: rawhide

There’s actually a 3 page warning on how to clean up a broken CFL bulb...3 PAGES!


8 posted on 04/20/2011 8:28:19 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: rawhide

My wife and I have been stashing “normal” lightbulbs away for quite a while now. To even consider these mercury infested bulbs is preposterous. The government can go to hell on these “energy saving bulbs” until they can show me where in our Constitution there’s the slightest mention about lightbulbs.

I wish they’d stop this crap!


9 posted on 04/20/2011 8:29:31 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: rawhide

Well, I predict CFL bulbs will be one environmental pollutant and danger to human health that the leftists and enviro whackos will have no interest in keeping off the market. It’s too central to their master plan to control more and more how people live.


10 posted on 04/20/2011 8:29:43 AM PDT by Will88
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To: rawhide

But.. but.. it’s GREEN, just like the Chevy Volt!
We’re told that if it is green it is good for us.
Just like the expensive toxin filled batteries on the Volt.
[Which is pandered off as an electric car despite being a poorly designed hybrid.]


11 posted on 04/20/2011 8:30:34 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: rawhide

An excellent example of government intervention in the economy. Incandescent bulbs have been around since Thomas Edison. Now we’re forced to replace them with these toxic bombs. If my house were my workplace, it would be an OSHA violation.


12 posted on 04/20/2011 8:33:23 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Will88

Get rid of them!


13 posted on 04/20/2011 8:34:50 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Will88

Get rid of them!


14 posted on 04/20/2011 8:35:07 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: rawhide
Unintended consequences. It's a concept liberals are incapable of grasping.


15 posted on 04/20/2011 8:37:15 AM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: rawhide
-- Energy saving bulbs emit cancer causing chemicals ... --

That's a feature, not a bug. Part of what makes them "energy saving" is they kill off the users.

16 posted on 04/20/2011 8:39:33 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: rawhide

Not to mention that these CFL bulbs are mostly made in China which has such a great record for product safety.


17 posted on 04/20/2011 8:40:38 AM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: Cboldt

Scotty....beam me up!


18 posted on 04/20/2011 8:42:44 AM PDT by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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To: rawhide

I think CFL’s suck, but even I’m not buying this scare. This is classic dihydrogen monoxyde type thinking. Phenol is in lots of stuff (like Bakelite), and in lots of processes to make other stuff (like aspirin).


19 posted on 04/20/2011 8:44:13 AM PDT by discostu (Come on Punky, get Funky)
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To: rawhide
Why I ever switch some of my bulbs to this crap is beyond me. I now have a huge stockpile of incandescent bulbs and will switch back. Expect my electric bill to go up 200% so what's new. I have some fixtures that cannot use the CFL anyway. Physical size.
20 posted on 04/20/2011 8:46:30 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: The Great RJ

Not to mention that these CFL bulbs are mostly made in China which has such a great record for product safety.

And if I am not mistaken, the company behind it all is GE


21 posted on 04/20/2011 8:50:34 AM PDT by Cyclone59
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To: Cinnamontea

“Unintended consequences. It’s a concept liberals are incapable of grasping.”

Now they will fix it by giving the EPA greater powers.

I am thinking of opening a boutique light bulb factory. Special orders only.


22 posted on 04/20/2011 8:54:10 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Who is John Galt?)
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To: discostu

As I read this, using CFGs will keep moths away. Win!


23 posted on 04/20/2011 9:00:42 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Radioactive plume to hit USA. President Obama and family fly to Brazil)
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To: rawhide

Literally, Bush´s fault.


24 posted on 04/20/2011 9:17:04 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: All
Whenever I see the debate about CFL's, I post these two graphics, the first one from the Livermore Lab describing energy usage in various sectors (Great graphic) and the second, the contribution by CFL's used by households.

In this second one, I have altered it to blow up a section of it. The important thing to look at in the enlarged section is the contribution by all private residential lighting (a thin red line) and the energy usage if we assume a 90% increase in efficiency with all CFL's (green line overlaid)

Basically, we make people buy these things that give lousier lighting, longer warm up times, increased initial expenditure, are demonstably more difficult to dispose of, likely are more hazardous to the environment and don't last as long as advertised...all to make a change that is completely inconsequential.

25 posted on 04/20/2011 9:21:22 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rawhide
Why would you all just accept this as true? My first inclination is that if a scientist said it, then it must be NOT be true. Sounds like BS to me. We already know the mercury thing was bogus, (as long as you don't EAT CFLs).

“CFL’s give off less heat than incandescent bulbs, for the same Lumens of light. This is why they use up to 75% less electricity.” That's ***SEVENTY FIVE*** per cent, in case you missed that.

http://open4energy.com/forum/home/lig/energy_saving_light_bulbs_incandescent_cfl_0912142219

Oh, by the way, here are a few things I found online. I'm sure you will just automatically believe them, so you better get rid of that stockpile of incandescent light bulbs before you DIE.

“Argon” [(used in incandescent light bulbs)] “is 25% more dense than air and is considered highly dangerous in closed areas. It is also difficult to detect because it is colorless, odorless, and tasteless. In confined spaces, it is known to result in death due to asphyxiation”

“A colorless odorless gas. Both argon and nitrogen” [(both used in incandescent light bulbs)] “are noncombustible. The mixture can asphyxiate by the displacement of air. Prolonged exposure to fire or intense heat may cause the container to rupture violently and rocket”

“The “white stuff” [(in light bulbs)] “is essentially paint and contains several heavy metals, primarily platinum. It also has several organic solvents that may remain in a latent form, any of which are carcinogens”

Info from UK
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/climate/green-light-bulbs-give-you-cancer-and-other-tall-stories-20080108

26 posted on 04/20/2011 9:34:59 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman

‘contains several heavy metals, primarily platinum.”

Wow! I just checked the cost of platinum, and I’m going out to increase my stash of incans! I think they mean titanium.

As for the thread article, ANY plastic resin heated up will outgas stuff. I note the lack of numbers- is this part per quadrillion or merely part per trillion levels of stuff?

The rest of it reads as pure scare. Salt contains deadly chlorine gas, used as a weapon of mass destruction by the Nazis in World War I.


27 posted on 04/20/2011 10:01:46 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Eyes Unclouded

The feds have found a clever way to reduce Medicare costs.


28 posted on 04/20/2011 10:09:48 AM PDT by monocle
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29 posted on 04/20/2011 10:10:49 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: DBrow

I agree. Then environmental scare tactics are unnecessary. But to force private citizens to buy these for their homes in order to combat an increase in greenhouse gas, that is equally as bogus, in my opinion, and that is what I take issue with.


30 posted on 04/20/2011 10:19:20 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rlmorel

I suspect that teh Gorebulb issue has NOTHING to do with global warming or the environment.

It looks like some coalition of manufacturers in China looked for a way to boost output by a large amount, and paid US politicians and Greens to make their product mandatory and the competitor forbidden.

Soon all lighting devices will be made in China, and only a few specialty bulbs will be built here at all.


31 posted on 04/20/2011 10:26:28 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

You are probably right.

I almost get the feeling they implemented the legislation just because...they can. What good is power if you can’t exercise it on something completely useless and irrelevant?

I can almost hear he exclamations of glee from the statists:

BUREAUCRAT#1: “Hey! They SWALLOWED it!!! What can we try next? How about limiting the amount of water they are allowed to flush down the toilet?”

BUREAUCRAT#2: “OOOH! I have a better one! Let’s outlaw cereals with sugar in them! Or transfats in foods!


32 posted on 04/20/2011 10:50:35 AM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rlmorel
don't last as long as advertised

Maybe for some, but we started lamping our house in the 90s and reached "full" lamping (all shaded lamps, with one still-working rarely-used incandescent holdout bulb, replaced) several years ago. In all that time, only 4 CFLs failed (and the latest was the oldest installed). Except for dual-lamp ceiling fixtures, we've only replaced incandescents when they failed. In that dozen-odd years we've had WAY more incandescents than CFLs fail.

Having expected a higher failure than experienced, we now have a shelf full of replacements in case they're ever needed.

There is something odd about houses with high failures and others with low; I wonder if it's related to power-quality (power factor)?

And as regarding chemical emissions, I bet these are WAY less than the old vacuum-tube TVs, radios and hi-fi sets that emitted quite distinctive odors when operating.

33 posted on 04/20/2011 5:16:21 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: sionnsar

I don’t buy into the concept of the poison gas emissions. I agree with the other poster that is bogus scare tactics.

The high failure rate could have something to do with our electrical system in my house. We are preparing to spend some beaucoup bucks to get it up to code.


34 posted on 04/20/2011 5:20:23 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rlmorel
Ouch. If it's like some houses I've had in the past, that could be expensive.

We've got some hack wiring in the garage, but are slowly replacing it.

35 posted on 04/20/2011 6:05:19 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: sionnsar

I am replacing a fence and electrical...between those two, close to $20K...gulp.

But you know what? I feel grateful I can do it. I know a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck, bill to bill.


36 posted on 04/20/2011 6:33:39 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rawhide

Honestly, I dunno that I buy this. Do we want to swallow scare tales when they happen to agree with our current likes and dislikes?

Everyone should be able to have the light bulbs they want to buy available. I’d never want to go back to a massively heat producing incandescent bulb, just as fervently as you don’t want to give yours up. Freedom would be us both getting our way.


37 posted on 04/20/2011 7:28:39 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (Stupid should hurt.)
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To: Fire_on_High
I choose to err on the side of caution.

Let me ask you a question, do you believe cell phone radiation is harmful to your brain?

38 posted on 04/20/2011 7:39:31 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Unfortunately the cancer issue is not the only problem with CFLs, or even LEDs...

Home Safety : Fire Risks — Radiation — Health
The CFL Mercury Issue: Breakage — Recycling — Dumping — Mining — Manufacturing — Transport — Power Plants
LEDs: The Lead and Arsenic Issue
Lead, arsenic and other toxic content, home breakage and disposal concerns
The Overall Small Energy Savings: USA Dept of Energy and EU official sources, less than 1% of society energy usage saved from light bulb regulations
( http://ceolas.net/#li18eax )

Notice also how major light bulb manufacturers welcome the ban on unprofitable cheap simple types of incandescent light bulbs,
allowing them to sell more CFLs, that people would not otherwise buy - and, arguably, justifiably would not buy.....


39 posted on 04/21/2011 8:30:44 AM PDT by lighthouse10
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To: rlmorel
I almost get the feeling they implemented the legislation just because...they can. What good is power if you can’t exercise it on something completely useless and irrelevant?

You have just defined Congress. A lot of state legislatures also, but sometimes my state's legislators actually listen to us little folks.

40 posted on 04/21/2011 11:39:56 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: lighthouse10

How manufacturers and vested interests have pushed for the ban on regular light bulbs, and lobbied for CFL favors:
http://ceolas.net/#li12ax
with documentation and copies of official
communications


41 posted on 04/28/2011 10:31:01 AM PDT by lighthouse10
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