Fan art of various Pakistani toys (Chinese, American, French etc)
Posted on 04/20/2011 10:10:47 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Fan art of various Pakistani toys (Chinese, American, French etc)
Here’s a stupid question. Where did they get the money for all these toys?
Their own economy, which is still functioning, Saudi largesse and dumb US aid.
My advice to India, don’t rely on Russia for aircraft.
And the alternative to that is???
Rely on the US which supplies weaponry to the Pakis ..often free of cost.
Rely on the Europeans, who don’t mind selling to the Pakis or even the Chicoms.
Not many options available if you ask me.
Well, I said I could be wrong about us supplying them with planes. Irrespective of that, India would be far better off with our F-16s and F-18s than with some of the crap exported from Russia. Who sold planes to Pakistan at one time? I believe the Russians! I don’t think that stopped India back then from buying Russian planes.
IL 78 production is now in Ukraine,Russia hasn’t sold anything to Pakistan , it’s getting clear that India is no more interested in US planes because of strings attached to it.More like Rafale is gonna win this huge competition .
India should be able to outspend them on defense spending. India's GDP is $1.43trillion, while Pakistan is $175billion. But the US is giving Pak $2 billion in military aid, which Pak is using to beef up their capabilities against India rather than for counter-Taliban operations.
Nope, the Russians haven’t sold warplanes to Pakistan other than engines. China has. And the Pakis have loaned their F-16s to China in the 90s. Has that stopped the US from still selling F-16s and other systems??
About buying crap from Russia. The SU-30 series isn’t that bad. Would the US sell/share thrust vectoring technology to India (or any other country)? Would it co-develop a stealth fighter? The F-22 still remains on the no-export list. So it’s much a matter of getting the best possible technology as of cultivating interests.
GDP is not necessarily a very clear indicator. India is a democracy so a lot of conflicting priorities exist while the military has always ran defense and nuclear affairs in Pakistan. So strategic decision-making in Pakistan is usually more resolute. And India has to worry about China too and that means dividing your assets (and spending).
Some folks don’t realize it, but it ain’t about the hardware.
Here is the real answer: How many hours of flight and combat training does the average pilot on each side have?
If one side has significantly more training hours for each pilot, THAT side will be the winner, assuming they’re not flying Gloster Gladiators or something similar.
You are of course very wrong. Russia never sold Pakistan any planes. Beside you dont seem to get the issue here. Its not whether F-16s and F-18s are better then Su-30MKIs and Mirage 2000s. Its the billions of dollars of military aid and hi-tech weaponry that Pakistan is getting from US for free is what has tipped the balance against India. If anything the F-16s and F-18s are just as old and crappy as the Russian Su-30s.
So whats your point?
Thanks to US military aid, Pakistan should roughly have equal hours of combat training now.
IAF’s overall numbers maybe dropping on paper but the Su-30MKIs roughly equals 3 Mig21s/23s/27s thats being replaced both in range and weapon load. I think IAF should still have an edge against Pakistan. I seriously doubt the JF-17s has a better range or weapon capacity then a Mirage 2000 or a Mig 29. Having said that India needs to quickly get the Eurofighters in her kitty.
Not really. IT depends on the nation’s doctrines. The US and Israel pretty much lead the world in hours of air combat training per pilot. The Indians have trained with and against us. Nork pilots are lucky to an hour a month. Dunno what the Pakis do, but if they don’t spend the fuel to train, they might be at serious disadvantage no matter how shiny their hardware is...
Indians have trained with the US and so have the Paks. And thanks to US and Saudi they are not short on funding or fuel.
The problem with US aircraft is they come with a sicrit switch that can remotely turn off the systems (some people on a message board have told me this is the case)
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