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4/20/2011 | freedomguy38

Posted on 04/20/2011 12:09:53 PM PDT by freedomguy38

I hate labels! Why? First, because they mean different things to different people. Second, because people seem to think that if they can label something or someone, then nothing more needs to be discussed. It stops further inquiry and learning. For instance, I learned from a very good friend this week that my spirituality is beyond a doubt liberal. And according to Merriam-Webster, he is absolutely correct as the definitions below testify.

Then I saw definition #6 and learned that I would not make a good political liberal in the UK. And if that definition fits liberalism in the US, and I think it does, then I could not be that here either. At first read, “associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives” sounds pretty good. (Very cleverly put, old chaps.)

The individual ideal of economic freedom or free enterprise in a free market environment is the bait. Then follows the greater individual participation in government (Democracy) which history shows has never worked. It always ends in the tyranny of the people over themselves or the tyranny of their Emperor/King/Dictator over the people. The real kicker is “reforming the constitution (laws which control government), political (ridding the country of party ideologies), and administrative (uncontrolled by the people’s constitution).” These reforms are “designed to secure these objectives.” The objective of political liberalism is to control you and me! Period! And they are not afraid to openly tell us what their objective is. I find this to be frightening indeed!

You see, spiritually, I would be considered “liberal” or “radical” only while being compared with the religious mythology adopted and taught by Christianity for 2000 years (penal substitution for salvation). Jesus was also found guilty of not being bound by traditional religious forms that had been around for about the same length of time. And added to those old formulas were the mythologies the priests had learned from Zoroastrianism during their captivity in Persia (heaven, hell, battle between good and evil gods, resurrection, apocalyptic end of the world, etc.; all found in Judaism and a generation or two later also in Christianity).

Take away the teachings and confessions of Christianity, and you will find me in complete agreement with Jesus, and several OT prophets who also complained about the priest’s leaving out the Creator’s scandalous message of love and forgiveness and acceptance in their practice of religion. That message can still be found hiding in the Moses’ scriptures and in David’s songs and, as I mentioned, in some of the prophets.

But politically, I find myself backing those who support our Constitutional Republic which is a government of laws that control government from infringing on the rights of a liberated (liberal) people,; namely, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. (Please do not attempt to label that.)

Our Constitution makes it possible for us to be liberal toward each other because government is not allowed to stand in our way from doing so. The confusion begins when the government begins to think and sound and act as if it is human with human attributes. It has not been created in the image of God. It is not their job to be humanly or progressive or liberal. It is their job to protect our right to act humanely liberal and generous to the fatherless, the widow, the alien, and those poorly in need. Their confusion on this matter does not have to be yours any longer.

1lib·er·al adj \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\

Definition of LIBERAL 1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth

2 a : marked by generosity : openhanded b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way c : ample, full

3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious

4 : not literal or strict : loose

5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

— lib·er·al·ly \-b(ə-)rə-lē\ adverb

— lib·er·al·ness noun

Examples of LIBERAL She is a liberal Democrat who married a conservative Republican. She has a liberal attitude toward sex. He made a very liberal donation to the museum. Many fishermen keep their holes from freezing over with liberal injections of antifreeze. —Time, 28 Feb. 1974 Alexandra looked at him mournfully. “I try to be more liberal about such things than I used to be. I try to realize that we are not all made alike …” —Willa Cather, O Pioneers!, 1913 This cost him considerable, for Dick was rather fastidious about his cigars, and wouldn't smoke the cheapest. Besides, having a liberal nature, he was generally ready to treat his companions. —Horatio Alger, Ragged Dick, 1868 On most issues he was thought of as a generally liberal figure, but on gun control he was live-free-or-die National Rifle Association man. —Jonathan Raban, Harper's, Aug. 1993 Origin of LIBERAL Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lēodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free

First Known Use: 14th century

Related to LIBERAL Synonyms: broad-minded, nonconventional, nonorthodox, nontraditional, open-minded, progressive, radical, unconventional, unorthodox

Antonyms: conservative, conventional, hidebound, nonprogressive, old-fashioned, orthodox, stodgy, traditional

Related Words: advanced, contemporary, modern; forbearing, indulgent, large-minded, lenient, permissive, tolerant; extreme; impartial, objective, unbiased

Near Antonyms: hard, rigid, strict; doctrinal, dogmatic (also dogmatical); bigoted, blinkered, intolerant, narrow-minded; reactionary, unreconstructed

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Synonym Discussion of LIBERAL liberal, generous, bountiful, munificent mean giving or given freely and unstintingly. liberal suggests openhandedness in the giver and largeness in the thing or amount given . generous stresses warmhearted readiness to give more than size or importance of the gift . bountiful suggests lavish, unremitting giving or providing . munificent suggests a scale of giving appropriate to lords or princes .


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: meowmix; vikingkittychow; zot; zotalicious; zotmeharder
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1 posted on 04/20/2011 12:09:53 PM PDT by freedomguy38
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To: freedomguy38

Someone outted you didnt they...


2 posted on 04/20/2011 12:11:04 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: freedomguy38

*sniff sniff*

I smell a zot comming...


3 posted on 04/20/2011 12:17:38 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: freedomguy38

You have a liberal definition of what constitutes “News” as opposed to “Chat.”


4 posted on 04/20/2011 12:19:56 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: paulycy

It certainly does rate as NEWS if a Liberal adheres to the decencies of classical liberalism!

I doubt that this is the case, however.

Zot him with extreme prejudice ASAP.


5 posted on 04/20/2011 12:23:09 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: freedomguy38

Liberal of old is now “classic liberal”. In fact most of us are “classic liberals”. Liberal today has been redefined by leftests. A leftest is essentially the opposite of the classic liberal. Classic liberals value freedom and individual rights. They reject government intrusion in their lives and expect to prosper of suffer based on their level of productivity. They don’t want a hand out. Leftest on the other hand are all about groups and restricting rights to make things “fair” and taking from one group and giving it to another group in the name of “social justice”. The antithesis of a classic liberal.

Our founding fathers were liberals in their day and now would be called classic liberals due to the distortion of the word by leftests.


6 posted on 04/20/2011 12:24:04 PM PDT by DB
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To: freedomguy38

IATZ!


7 posted on 04/20/2011 12:24:31 PM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: freedomguy38
Damn boy, you done went full special. Everybody knows you should never go full special.

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8 posted on 04/20/2011 12:25:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: freedomguy38; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 50mm; Viking2002; Daffynition; TheOldLady
Liberal ZOT!!!!


9 posted on 04/20/2011 12:25:49 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: freedomguy38

Cue Viking Kitties!


10 posted on 04/20/2011 12:27:04 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedomguy38

That was quick. You can put the Obama sticker back on the bumper now.

IATZ.


11 posted on 04/20/2011 12:27:51 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Throw away your papers, blow up your TV...and set yourself free.)
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To: freedomguy38

Perfectly good waste of a 2009 account . . .


12 posted on 04/20/2011 12:29:23 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: SaxxonWoods

My work here is done...

*snicker*


13 posted on 04/20/2011 12:29:36 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: cripplecreek

Is that one a them “assault clips” I been hearin’ about from that Brady Bunch?


14 posted on 04/20/2011 12:30:28 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: freedomguy38

schmuck.


15 posted on 04/20/2011 12:30:28 PM PDT by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: freedomguy38

Actually the author has a point, but those dictionary definitions above haven’t been revised for fifty years. Today’s liberals are the complete opposite of the traditional meaning of the word. Another example of the very language drifting under our feet like tectonic plates, almost imperceptible but in motion nevertheless.


16 posted on 04/20/2011 12:30:53 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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17 posted on 04/20/2011 12:31:21 PM PDT by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: freedomguy38

damnit!!!! missed it again...I never get to have any fun


18 posted on 04/20/2011 12:32:24 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: freedomguy38

So-called Liberals of today’s world are really Progressives and Democratic Socialists. I called them Progressive-liberal Statists. They are what is wrong with the world. It should be obvious or you should not be here.


19 posted on 04/20/2011 12:39:46 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

I just call them what they are... anti-Americans.


20 posted on 04/20/2011 12:42:02 PM PDT by 3boysdad (Rights of Man)
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To: freedomguy38

What I really take out of this waste of several hundred words is that it is time to drop the “liberal” label and begin calling the leftists what they are ... “leftists.” Leaves no doubt as to the meaning.


21 posted on 04/20/2011 12:46:33 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: freedomguy38

Darn most ZOTs are entertaining but this one is just plain boring - like reading a dictionary.


22 posted on 04/20/2011 12:47:07 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (If every person were like Sarah Palin, this world would be a peaceful, beautiful world to live in.)
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To: freedomguy38

Any person who believes that Ricky Maddow is the only true news person on TV has some deep seeded mental issues that they refuse to deal with.


23 posted on 04/20/2011 12:51:16 PM PDT by skimask
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To: freedomguy38

A liberal: A guy who’ll give you the shirt off someone else’s back. Studies show that liberals are more likely to shoplift, cheat on taxes and keep excess change from a cashier, because, - get this - they feel that they are MORALLY SUPERIOR and therefore entitled to others people’s property.


24 posted on 04/20/2011 12:52:59 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: freedomguy38

The word, “label” is a label - please re-write your screed without using it (or any other such label/noun).


25 posted on 04/20/2011 1:03:26 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

The left doesn’t like “labels” because they carry INFORMATION about that which is being labelled.

They can only operate when people don’t understand who they really are.


26 posted on 04/20/2011 1:06:35 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I noticed that too. :-)


27 posted on 04/20/2011 1:09:08 PM PDT by pigsmith
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To: freedomguy38
At the start of the Twentieth Century the term "liberal" meant the same in America as it still does in the rest of the world - essentially, what is called "conservatism" in American Newspeak. Of course we "American Conservatives" are not the ones who oppose development and liberty, so in that sense we are not conservative at all. We actually are liberals.

But in America, "liberalism" was given its American Newspeak - essentially inverted - meaning in the 1920s (source: Safire's New Political Dictionary). The fact that the American socialists have acquired a word to exploit is bad enough; the real disaster is that we do not now have a word which truly descriptive of our own political perspective. We only have the smear words which the socialists have assigned to us. And make no mistake, in America "conservative" is inherently a negative connotation just as surely as marketers love to boldly proclaim that the product which they are flogging is NEW!


28 posted on 04/20/2011 1:10:55 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: SpaceBar
Actually the author has a point, but those dictionary definitions above haven’t been revised for fifty years. Today’s liberals are the complete opposite of the traditional meaning of the word....

Another example of a word being 're-purposed' would be "Gay".

29 posted on 04/20/2011 1:12:46 PM PDT by pigsmith
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They can only operate when people don’t understand who they really are.

Exactly right. And can only succeed if people don't know what they're up to and what their ultimate goals are.

30 posted on 04/20/2011 1:14:16 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: pigsmith

Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” will cause your brain to go wonky until you get used to the word “liberal” actually meaning “liberty minded”.


31 posted on 04/20/2011 1:14:22 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: freedomguy38
YOU'VE BEEN OUTED!!
32 posted on 04/20/2011 1:14:25 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: ElkGroveDan

True, but reading the comments more than make up for the boring post.


33 posted on 04/20/2011 1:14:53 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: freedomguy38
Shoot!!

I was hoping to find out what grade his teacher gave him for that paper, and if it was enough to pass.

Anyway...good luck “freedomguy38”...and high school chicks really dig the deep thinkers.

34 posted on 04/20/2011 1:15:03 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: paulycy

On the subject of Zots...I used to love it when Old Sarge put up his ‘emergency action notification’ message when a zot got done. He ain’t done that in a while. Is he not on or did he decide it ain’t worth it?


35 posted on 04/20/2011 1:19:42 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Help stamp out crack-pull up your pants.)
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To: Crim; All
This guy may have an alter ego still on FR. This is 2nd time this week that I read that Christianity and Judaism were syncreted from Zoroastrianism:

...the mythologies the priests had learned from Zoroastrianism during their captivity in Persia (heaven, hell, battle between good and evil gods, resurrection, apocalyptic end of the world, etc.; all found in Judaism and a generation or two later also in Christianity).

I'm gettin' pretty tired of seein' this kinda crap on a pro-Christian site like FR. Glad for the zot.

36 posted on 04/20/2011 1:20:12 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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37 posted on 04/20/2011 1:22:49 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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38 posted on 04/20/2011 1:26:22 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Whether they want to admit it or not, everyone knows Obama is hiding his bc.)
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To: freedomguy38
I hate labels!

“AHHHHHHHHHH!!! He said the Secret Words for ‘I’m a liberal!’”

39 posted on 04/20/2011 1:26:39 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

And, don’t forget that liberals are notorious
cheapskates when it comes to tipping.


40 posted on 04/20/2011 1:29:28 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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41 posted on 04/20/2011 1:33:50 PM PDT by bigjoesaddle ("Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged". - Reagan)
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To: freedomguy38; paulycy; darkwing104; 50mm; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv; humblegunner; Allegra; ...
Sneaky leftist bragging about being a "liberal" is asked violently to leave.

ZOT!



There is no patience for leftist trolls on this site, you idiot.

42 posted on 04/20/2011 1:40:32 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: freedomguy38; TheOldLady
"3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious"

Obsolete? Where you been, meowmix?

Well, bye!

catsurgery

43 posted on 04/20/2011 2:14:36 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome
I stole this from humblegunner:


44 posted on 04/20/2011 2:17:16 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

I even watched it again the other nite. Good movie.


45 posted on 04/20/2011 2:22:36 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: TheOldLady

Nice evening zot over the foothills ;-)


46 posted on 04/20/2011 2:52:22 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I love the smell of cooking troll in the evening. ;-)


47 posted on 04/20/2011 3:02:13 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: dynachrome

[nodding]

Great movie.


48 posted on 04/20/2011 3:04:24 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: SaxxonWoods
Will Berserk Kat do?

49 posted on 04/20/2011 3:50:05 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: freedomguy38; 230FMJ; 50mm; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; AliVeritas; Allegra; ...
You forgot a few modern LIBERAL Synonyms...Progressive, Socialism and Communism...Adios, you Obama Cabana Pool Boy!!!

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.

50 posted on 04/20/2011 4:22:21 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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