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21 Year-Old Executed for Converting from Islam to Christianity
Undhimmi ^ | April 21 2001

Posted on 04/20/2011 10:55:56 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode

Two Muslim extremists in Somalia murdered a member of a secret Christian community in the name of Islam in Lower Shabele region as part of a campaign to rid the country of Christianity, sources said.

An area source told Compass two al Shabaab militants shot 21-year-old Hassan Adawe Adan in Shalambod town after entering his house at 7:30 p.m.

“Two al Shabaab members dragged him out of his house, and after 10 minutes they fired several shots on him,” said an area source who requested anonymity. “He then died immediately.”

The militants then shouted “Allahu Akbar [God is greater]” before fleeing, he said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: alshabaab; alshabab; christianpersecution; christians; globaljihad; islam; jihad; killingchristians; muslims; persecution; somalia

1 posted on 04/20/2011 10:55:59 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Sorry, Date should read April 21, 2011


2 posted on 04/20/2011 10:56:57 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

islam


3 posted on 04/20/2011 10:58:46 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
"Islam has a long tradition of tolerance"
~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt
4 posted on 04/20/2011 10:59:28 PM PDT by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

God is greater than Satan.

The man they killed is now in heaven, enjoying the presence of God.

They will never see him again.


5 posted on 04/20/2011 10:59:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.


6 posted on 04/20/2011 11:04:23 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Don't be part of the Karl Rove/Mark Levin Natural Born Losers Club; Fight Like a Girl!)
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To: metmom

Losing through attrition is still losing. Care for the ‘winners’. Care for those around you.


7 posted on 04/20/2011 11:04:28 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

“Two Muslim extremists...”

What other types of Muzzies are there?


8 posted on 04/20/2011 11:08:15 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

More evil. RIP.


9 posted on 04/20/2011 11:08:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: metmom
True but those demons still roam ready & willing to kill again & again. Prayers for the victim. These stories make me very sad.
10 posted on 04/20/2011 11:11:50 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: BobL
Hr puff n stuff muzzie. Of course. :)
11 posted on 04/20/2011 11:12:14 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; Cindy
“Two al Shabaab members dragged him out of his house

On Feb. 29, 2008, the U.S. Department of State designated al Shabaab as a foreign terrorist organization, describing it as a violent and brutal extremist group based in Somalia with a number of individuals affiliated with al Qaeda.------14 Indicted for Supporting al Shabaab FBI.gov ^ | n/a Posted on 08/05/2010 3:06:36 PM PDT by Cindy

12 posted on 04/20/2011 11:18:59 PM PDT by piasa
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To: pandoraou812
"True but those demons still roam ready & willing to kill again & again."

No doubt enjoying praise being heaped upon them at their mosque and generally among their fellow death cult members.

13 posted on 04/20/2011 11:23:09 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: piasa

Thanks for the ping Piasa.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/killingchristians/index

Source:

http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/somalia/article_111281.html

“New Christian Convert from Islam Murdered in Somalia
Muslim militants shoot young man dead after learning he had begun to follow Christ.”

SNIPPET: “NAIROBI, Kenya, April 20 (CDN) — Two Muslim extremists in Somalia on Monday (April 18) murdered a member of a secret Christian community in Lower Shabele region as part of a campaign to rid the country of Christianity, sources said.

An area source told Compass two al Shabaab militants shot 21-year-old Hassan Adawe Adan in Shalambod town after entering his house at 7:30 p.m.

“Two al Shabaab members dragged him out of his house, and after 10 minutes they fired several shots on him,” said an area source who requested anonymity. “He then died immediately.”

The militants then shouted “Allahu Akbar [God is greater]” before fleeing, he said.”


14 posted on 04/20/2011 11:28:12 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Peace Hassan Adawe Adan — you are now with Christ.


15 posted on 04/21/2011 12:00:00 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
The cult of Islam and it's spirit of antichrist, hate, lies and death has killed another follower of Christ. What is new?
17 posted on 04/21/2011 12:18:37 AM PDT by Armaggedon
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
as part of a campaign to rid the country of Christianity

Watch "Attack on Dafur" starring Billy Zane for how Gadaffi's Janjaweed treated Sudanese black Christians. Janjaweed ("camel herders") are Arabs armed by Gadaffi to 'arabize' Africa, starting with Chad and Sudan. Under Sharia law, blacks are considered inferior, destined to be slaves to Arab muslims as they literally have been for centuries.

18 posted on 04/21/2011 12:32:01 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: South40; All

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More quotes from Obama’s speeches:

“it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit”
Barack Hussein Obama

“We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“The contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country”
Barack Hussein Obama

“I have lived in a Muslim-majority country... I know, because I am one of them.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one’s religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“We are not nor have we even been at war with Islam”
Barack Hussein Obama

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muzzie sob
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19 posted on 04/21/2011 2:13:10 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: BobL
“Two Muslim extremists...”

What other types of Muzzies are there?

It can vary, in one way at least...

"Ten Muslim extremists...", "Million Muslim extremists", etc.

20 posted on 04/21/2011 2:49:30 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: chuckles

Righto.

That’s exactly what Christ said.

When members of group A kill Christians, we should track down and kill random members (not even the perps) of group A in revenge.

Care to point out the verses of the New Testament prescribing this?


21 posted on 04/21/2011 3:01:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; metmom; RnMomof7

And American Christians think they are persecuted because people make snide remarks to them.


22 posted on 04/21/2011 4:29:32 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; metmom; RnMomof7

And American Christians think they are persecuted because people make snide remarks to them.


23 posted on 04/21/2011 4:29:42 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: BobL
What other types of Muzzies are there?

Watch yourself! You have to differentiate between the 99% good moslems, and the 1% bad ones. . . So says the liberals.

24 posted on 04/21/2011 4:51:37 AM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: Sherman Logan
...."Care to point out the verses of the New Testament prescribing this?".....

It's called WAR and has been around for centuries. The Somali's don't have a government to protect them or an army. I don't know anyone that would stand around and allow their loved ones to be murdered one by one. We have a God given right to self defense and we already know who wants to kill us. I don't need a specific name of a specific perp to know when my life is in danger.

Was Bush justified in bombing Afghanistan after 9-11, or should he have just told the families of the 3000 to go find Osama and kill him themselves? Part of the problem we are having in America today is we don't know how to fight a war anymore. That would explain Obama's war in Libya and why we don't know how to fight it. As far as I'm concerned, Kaddaffy still owes for Pan Am 103 and we have every right to level Tripoli starting with kaddaffy and his spawn. If a few people die that didn't take part in the bombing, tough! They should have taken care of him back then, otherwise they are guilty also.

Just as an aside, my father got the DFC for dropping bombs in Germany on schools, hospitals and private homes because they were Germans, not soldiers. If he had to bail out, however,these "innocent" men, women and children would have stuck a pitchfork in him and his crew. Trying to fight a sterile war is impossible. It's time we figured out who the enemy is and start to fight back. Otherwise we will just be waiting to be slaughtered like the Jews in WWII. Ever wonder how it would have turned out if the Jews would have fought back in the 30's? I believe the Jews outnumbered the Nazi's, but weren't allowed to have guns. The German citizens voted the Nazi's to power. Were they innocent?

If America is attacked, we voted Obama into power. Will we be held innocent by our enemies? We will fight for our land and families, not because we love Obama.

The Bible tells us we will be persecuted, but that there is no greater love that to lay down our lives for each other. If the Somali's allow the butcher of their people, they will just be butchered and forgotten. God doesn't REQUIRE us to die for our faith only to be willing to. David was a man after God's own heart and did his share of killing. When the Jews went into the promised land, they killed EVERYONE, even the animals. If you worship Allah, are you innocent to God? If your religion says you are to kill God's people, are you innocent? When the 6th commandment is read, "Thou shall not kill," it really should be translated, "Thou shall not shed innocent blood". Determining who is guilty and who is innocent when talking of Muslims takes about a half a millisecond.

One more thing,...Israel takes rockets and blown up buses almost every day. You sound like one of the UN thugs that would blame them for attacking Gaza. As far as I'm concerned, they have earned the right to level the whole damned thing and dare anyone to say anything. How long would you allow Mexico to lob rockets into America before you would demand action of your government? Mexico has murdered many of our citizens. Lets see what the body count gets to before something is done.

25 posted on 04/21/2011 6:02:08 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
I believe the Jews outnumbered the Nazis

In 1933 there were about 500,000 Jews in Germany.

In 1929 there were 178,000 actual members of the Party, with of course a far greater number of believers and sympathizers.

In 1930 they won 108 seats in the Reichstag.

By January 30, 1933 a total of 1.5M party cards had been issued.

26 posted on 04/21/2011 6:10:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: chuckles
The Somali's don't have a government to protect them or an army.

The Somalis are 99 point something per cent Muslim. I was quite surprised to hear that there are ANY Christians in the country.

So you suggest this tiny minority start killing random Muslims to deter additional attacks on Christians? Morality and Christian doctrine aside, this doesn't strike me as a tactic that is likely to attain its objectives.

I'm curious how far you would carry this analogy. When an unknown black person or persons kill white people, should whites respond by killing 10:1 in random almost certainly uninvolved black people?

Or should black people retaliate for attacks on "their people" by attacking and killing random whites while rioting? Well, actually they do so fairly frequently. Do you think they are justified in this? If not, why not?

27 posted on 04/21/2011 6:18:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
When reading your post I thought of something my father taught me. I don't want muslims killing innocent people nor do I want anyone to kill. But there comes a time when we must stop the killing of innocent people.

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,

I remained silent;

I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984)

Or should black people retaliate for attacks on "their people" by attacking and killing random whites while rioting? Well, actually they do so fairly frequently. Do you think they are justified in this? If not, why not?

Have you ever lived through a riot Sherman? I have as a child a few times. While I do not want to shoot or kill anyone I darn sure will. You come at me or my family or in my house & I will use any means possible to get you. I don't give a darn what race, color or religion you are either.

In this case a young convert was killed by 2 muslims who pride themselves on their violent acts Was this young man harming anyone? No! And the muslims do it 24/7 somewhere. Should we just let them? You are aware that we have a lovely bunch of Somalis here in the USA correct? Should we let them start killing Christians just because they hate us? Shaking my head again!

The reason my father taught me about that poem was because he wanted me to see how some people will sit back & say not me, I am not going to be involved. It doesn't concern me. Thank you for reminding me of it & yes I know there are different versions of it but this is the one I know. The question is Sherman who is going to be there for you?

28 posted on 04/21/2011 8:21:38 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: pandoraou812
I would be interested if you could point out to me where I suggested we should not defend ourselves and our families against attackers. I have no problem at all with using highly effective violence in defense against attackers.

But that wasn't what I was discussing. The original post to which I responded said Christians should go out and kill 10 random Muslims to deter them from further attacks against Christians.

What I am suggesting is both immoral and unChristian is the group retaliation suggestion.

Let me try to illustrate. Suppose my brother is killed by a guy with red hair. We don't know who he is, but that doesn't matter to me and my family. We get our guns and our trucks and we drive around shooting guys with red hair till we have eliminated ten of them.

Mission accomplished. No more ginger attacks on my family!

That many if not most Muslims in the world operate on this primitive level of morality doesn't mean I should reciprocate.

But there comes a time when we must stop the killing of innocent people.

I agree. I just don't see how killing more innocent people helps us work towards this goal.

29 posted on 04/21/2011 8:34:07 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Sherman I believe a post was deleted so when that happens it tosses things off somewhat. You didn't say we shouldn't defend ourselves.

But that wasn't what I was discussing. The original post to which I responded said Christians should go out and kill 10 random Muslims to deter them from further attacks against Christians.

Well I don't like to think that is the answer. However I also am in favor of the death penalty. To me this is the crusades again. I don't live there thankfully. Yet Honor Killing & Sharia law are coming right to our country. Where are the good muslims to speak out? IF it would stop them from killing innocent young school girls then yes I would line 10 of them up & shoot them. Then they could go on to their 72 virgins. I don't believe they have the same feelings as we do about life Sherman. I doubt I could randomly shoot 10 muslims unless I knew they were terrorists.

I just don't see how killing more innocent people helps us work towards this goal.

Maybe we've been too nice. Not making them adapt to the American way of life . Installing foot baths, allowing driver's licenses to be issued to veiled women. Even allowing talk of a mosque near the 9-11 site! We need to tell the muslims if you come here adapt to our way of life or stay in your homelands. This is America, land of the Free & the Brave. Love it or leave it. Kill us & we take out you & your buddies. Something has to work & while I don't like it maybe we better start killing them as they kill others. Wish I had the answers but I don't. I just know that if we don't stop honor killing & Sharia here asap we will be very, very sorry.

As for what happens in muslin's countries to Christians, I am very sad. I would hope they stay safe & to be that brave is a wondrous part of love for the Christian faith. I would try to leave. I see little hope for those people. I used to think muslims would stop this but now I think they just want to kill & take over anywhere they can. Prayers for the converted Christians.

30 posted on 04/21/2011 9:27:50 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: pandoraou812

I’m all in favor of killing terrorists, and as far as I’m concerned that includes their supporters. For instance, if you march in a terrorist parade as far as I’m concerned you are a legitimate target. If you don’t want to be a target, keep your distance from those who are.

I don’t see why we cannot declare war on a non-state organization and prosecute it vigorously. They’re at war with us and we should return the favor.

I am strongly opposed to retaliatory killing of random Muslim civilians, even if there is a reasonable chance some percentage of those you kill are supporters of the terrorists. BTW, doing so would be a violation of the laws of war and of US military law.

The Nazis took civilian hostages and killed them at a 10:1 or 100:1 rate for every German soldier killed by what they considered terrorists. We would call them resistance fighters. We consider the Nazis doing so a main reason they’re The Bad Guys. I don’t want us to become The Bad Guys, so I vigorously oppose any suggestions we imitate them.


31 posted on 04/21/2011 9:37:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I don’t want to be the bad guys but I sure do want to be the alive guys. I want my daughter who is 11 & my grandchildren to live in the same country I did with the same freedoms. Like I said I don’t have answers but I think we better find some ASAP! Have a great day!


32 posted on 04/21/2011 9:47:19 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: pandoraou812

I agree 100%.

My opposition to some of the suggestions for retaliation is based at least as much on the notion that doing so will be ineffective as that it is immoral. We shouldn’t take a certain course of action that won’t actually accomplish anything simply because we are frustrated and can’t think of anything else to do.


33 posted on 04/21/2011 10:00:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: pandoraou812
Thank you for your responses while I do other things. I understand what Sherman is saying, but he has never lived in these circumstances. If you have no police, no laws, no government, you are on your own. That is much different than arguing truth on a blog. The only laws they have in Somalia are "kill the infidels". If you happen to be an infidel, that's pretty tough. I too, want to be one of the "alive guys". If I'm fighting for my very existence, I'm not going to wait for the next Imam meeting that has my name on it. I see the problem and I will take care of it. Now if Sherman doesn't want to be a part of it, fine, he can wait for the midnight call. My family has no one to depend on but me and I will not wait around for them to be slaughtered. I think Sherman has never been in a situation where everyone wants him dead. There are no innocents. I can't take a poll to see how many are willing to let me live and which ones will do the Imam's bidding. They may not even want to kill me and my family, but if they don't, the Imam will have their family killed also.

If my family is a gift from God and was put in my charge, I will answer for what happens to them. I will not watch them be slaughtered because of a vague argument over the 6th Commandment. God has His "people" and then all others. The Bible is for His people. This is and old argument over who will be saved and did Jesus come for the whole world? My common sense tells me that God will judge His people on what they did and believed and all others will be judged guilty because they didn't accept Jesus as their substitution. That means someone is guilty and will end up in Hell. They are NOT His people. The others, which did believe, are going to Heaven, no doubt about it. Their judgment will be on their works, but they will go to Heaven, even if they have the smell of smoke on their garment. As a Christian, I am saved and am forgiven of ALL sins, even the ones that I commit tomorrow. As long as I don't blatantly attack "the innocent",( and that is what we are discussing here), I haven't murdered. I do no relish the idea of killing, but I will if I must to keep the lives God has blessed me with. I understand the difference of opinion, but have already decided what I would do in these situations. I have heard the stories of Christians hiding in closets to keep from confronting intruders because they didn't want to take a hunting rifle and kill the intruders. They and their family were murdered so they wouldn't have to make that choice. I have made the choice in advance and am satisfied that Jesus would forgive me as he does every day for my many shortcomings. He is either my Savior, and stands for me, or it's all a lie. There is no sin bigger than another. If he can forgive me of lust and envy, He can forgive killing people that haven't raised a hand yet to me. Either way, I will defend my family and happily defend yours from evil. I know right when I see it and I certainly know wrong when it is right there in front of me. I have faith that I will be in Heaven because of my Trust, even if Sherman is on a Jury that finds me guilty and puts me to death. There are consequences for every belief and I will accept mine. If you bow to Allah, then they must accept theirs. There have been many names over the years that people called their god, but just as Baal worshipers died at the hand of a righteous man, so to will the moon god worshipers. They can die from my hand or the hand of the One coming on a white horse, but die they will.

We can argue over the details, but it won't change anything. I pray I'm never put in those circumstances, but I already know where I will stand if it comes. We would do better to argue why don't the Christians pack up and leave Somalia rather than stay to be slaughtered, but I know many can't, so you now see the desperation the Christians are put in. If a Somali pirate can get an AK, I bet I could also.

34 posted on 04/21/2011 1:12:31 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Just as an aside, my father got the DFC for dropping bombs in Germany on schools, hospitals and private homes because they were Germans, not soldiers.

Highly unlikely, simply because it would have been a huge waste of munitions. Now large numbers of those things were certainly hit and there was justifiably little concern given to such collateral damage. But there was no shortage of targets of tactical and strategic value that far exceeded the value of terror attacks.

35 posted on 04/21/2011 4:23:43 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: metmom; Ethan Clive Osgoode; Gamecock

Deu 32:35 Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly.’ - posted by God via Harley


36 posted on 04/21/2011 4:49:14 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: chuckles; pandoraou812
I enjoyed your response. I would also suggest that God gives the time and day of when someone will die. So if someone is murdered or killed, it was his/her time. There are several instances where the innocent were murdered; Able by Cain, Uriah by David, Naboth by Ahab. In some cases these murders were caused by non-believers (Cain and Ahab). But in Uriah's case he was murdered by a "man after God's own heart". If one reads these accounts, the reaction to those who were murdered by God seems to be rather ho-hum as opposed to passing different levels of judgment on the murderers. This is simply because God chooses the time and day of when we will breathe our last.

I say all of this because we cannot add one iota to our life span nor can we take it from anyone else. Leaving aside murder, if we fight for our existence and succeed, our relationship with the Lord is not changed. No more than when the Lord commanded the Israelites to slaughter the inhabitants of Canaan. It is the Lord who gives life, He who brings about victory in defending it, and He who allows the martrys of saints.

37 posted on 04/21/2011 5:11:11 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Realman30

I don’t know how the blind fools can keep repeating this “only 1% are bad” rubbish. If 99% were good they would quickly make short work of the offending 1%.


38 posted on 04/21/2011 7:20:14 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: pandoraou812

I have put together a list of talking points outlining the many abuses of Islam. I have this saved on my computer so that I can print this up whenever I need to send a letter to anyone who needs a lesson on Islam. There are 14 points in my talking points and includes many attrocities of the Islamists in history as well as today. This is my own small “Crusade” against the people who occupied my ancestral homeland. We need to educate ourselves about Islam, write down our talking points and start educating the country.


39 posted on 04/21/2011 7:30:17 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

There are many nationalities in this country who have a bad history with Islam. All the people of Southern Europe, as well as Armenians and the Christian minorities of the Middle East have suffered under the cruel Muslims. In addition today there are many immigrants from other countries that have been victims of Islmaic aggression, among them Indians and Africans. We need to keep pointing this out to our spineless politicians who seem to think that it is all about the Muslims. They will pay a price for their pandering to our age-old enemy.


40 posted on 04/21/2011 7:36:01 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Gays and muslims have abandonment issues. Witness how the gays forced apple computers to ‘book burn’ the gay-to-straight app. Unlike these loser muzzies, gays may have not yet killed any former gays, but it will happen soon enough.


41 posted on 04/21/2011 7:39:49 PM PDT by Vision Thing (He has a white house, and he wants to paint it black.)
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To: hopespringseternal
My father and I talked about this many times and I can assure you he made no bones about it being true. The hospitals and schools weren't the targets, but they weren't chastised if they hit one. He was one of thousands of B-24's and B-17's that flew over German towns to drop their bombs. The Norden Bomb site was not the technology we have today. 20 planes may have the same target and 5% of the bombs would even get close to the intended targets. As he flew to the target, if he had the ammo, he would strafe the streets of the town with twin .50's. It was all about breaking the back of the enemy. If a woman and baby got in the way of his rounds, that was just one more Nazi that wouldn't grow up to kill Americans as far as he was concerned.

As we all know, The Germans did the same if not worse. The Japanese are famous for the Rape of Nanking and the Russians were worse than all. Lobbing a V2 rocket to London was not even aiming at a strategic target of any kind.

Just watch any film of allied bombing runs in Germany and you will see we bombed much of the German countryside with no target even close by. They didn't consider it a waste of munitions, just the cost of doing war. One mission he was on, over 100 B-24's left England and only 22 came back home. It was the cost of doing war.

Today, if we lose one plane, it is a week long news story and God forbid a Muslim wedding is bombed by accident. We have been spoiled into thinking the "fog" of war is over. War is hell and that is as it should be. It should be something we shun and try to stay away from. But if it becomes necessary, EVERYONE is subject to die. I can't imagine an enemy coming to American streets and Americans becoming angry that we get shot and killed. IT"S WAR!!! They should expect to be shot as they sleep by persons that may or may not have a cache of rifles and ammo that Obama says we cling to with our religion. That is the very reason we cling to them.

42 posted on 04/21/2011 8:35:19 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: cradle of freedom

Very good idea! If possible could you FReepmail me a copy please? I know quite a few people that need to see things in a different light.


43 posted on 04/21/2011 8:49:04 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: chuckles
I have heard the stories of Christians hiding in closets to keep from confronting intruders because they didn't want to take a hunting rifle and kill the intruders. They and their family were murdered so they wouldn't have to make that choice. I have made the choice in advance and am satisfied that Jesus would forgive me as he does every day for my many shortcomings

I've heard those stories too. And I have lived in areas where muslim converts from jails gathered in their factories converted to mosques. The men were not nice & most drug dealers. I think that many of the dope dealers in Asbury Park area of NJ are converted muslims who are out to destroy our youth without using a bullet but that is another story... I am responsible for my family when I am here alone & I have no problem doing whatever it takes. I come from strong women who I would never shame by not at least trying to defend their great great children or myself. I have begun to store food & do whatever it will take to get by for a few months. I am tired of muslims. To think I would ever be making a post like this amazes me & I am 53 yrs old. Whatever my sins I am sure I will be forgiven if it comes to me becoming violent to protect myself or my family. I remember quite well the riots of Newark, Plainfield & Asbury Park NJ. And I watched the Twin Towers burn. You never forget ...If you forget then you never learned the lesson the first time IMHO.

44 posted on 04/21/2011 9:14:55 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Ethan Clive Osgoode.


45 posted on 04/22/2011 7:47:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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