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The GOP Establishment's Futile Battle Against Donald Trump
The New Republic ^ | 04/20/2011 | Ed Kilgore

Posted on 04/21/2011 6:50:19 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP

During the 2008 election cycle, Mitt Romney was often accused of treating politics more like a consumer-focused business than an exercise in leadership. “My view is, we ought to double Guantanamo,” he said, radiating the sense that if primary voters wanted something, anything, he’d be willing to sell it. His strategists obsessed about creating and selling “Brand Romney.” To many, these efforts made him look like a crass twit, a market researcher’s caricature of the perfect Republican candidate, even as he came in second-place for the GOP nomination. This election, however, Romney may have to compete with Donald Trump.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: nro4romney; oneborneveryminute; perot2point0; pimpingmilt; romney; romney4dnc; romneybotshere; romneyvsgop; romneyvspalin; romneyvstrump; trumped
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1 posted on 04/21/2011 6:50:22 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I highly recommend you read the entire article first, before passing judgment. Trump is proving that he has the metal to endure the attacks and rise above them, using them to his advantage. Wouldn't that be a nice trait for the other Candidates to learn for a change?
2 posted on 04/21/2011 6:54:26 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"The GOP Establishment's Milt Romney's Futile Battle Against Donald Trump"

There, fixed it for the RomneyBOTs.


3 posted on 04/21/2011 6:56:12 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Whoa now, folks. Anyone ever considered the possibility that Trump’s a trojan horse?


4 posted on 04/21/2011 6:58:11 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Donald Trump is taking on both the MSM and
the undocumented Obama (whoever he really is).

How is THAT being a Trojan Horse?

Here is a Trojan Horse:


Chihuahua Romney - Self-Declared "King of Tea-Party":
”My lawyers say Obama was born in the United States,
and that Obama doesn’t need a Birth Certificate (like me!!!!!), and that
all citizenship tests have been passed by Obama.".

5 posted on 04/21/2011 7:02:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The GOP Establishment's Futile Battle Against Donald Trump

The GOP Establishment (true to form) is right about Trump for the wrong reasons.

But that doesn't change the fact that Trump is just playing for TV face time and to feed his ego.

Somehow, a guy who gave to countless Dem politicians because he needed to pay them off to get his projects approved is now a fighter against Dems.

Somehow a guy who has all kinds of liberal positions in the past is now a conservative because he says so.

If some folks want to be fooled, so be it. I don't.

6 posted on 04/21/2011 7:03:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Diogenesis

Sorry, I can’t vote for anyone named after a ball glove or as amphibian.


7 posted on 04/21/2011 7:04:01 AM PDT by steve8714 (Firing Federal Bureaucrats would have a 100,000x beneficial effect on the deficit, maybe more.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Based on his past statements, I am convinced that Donald Trump is a publicity whore, a Trojan horse or both. The enemedia has tried so hard to sell Mitt or Huck as our candidate. Neither is getting much traction. So now, they are promoting Donald Trump.

Trump is neither as good a businessman as Mitt Romney nor as good as Huck on social issues. IOW, he's the worst of both worlds but talks a good game. Beware.

8 posted on 04/21/2011 7:06:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Wouldn't that be a nice trait for the other Candidates to learn for a change?

That trait, yes. His others -- no.

9 posted on 04/21/2011 7:06:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

.... and Trump does not appear to have the irrepressible need to be loved by the MSM and the DC elite as do so many career politicians on both the Right and the Left.


10 posted on 04/21/2011 7:07:03 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Trump is gaining traction for two reasons:

-He is willing to go out and say confrontational things that many people are thinking, while the mainline GOP pulls their punches and cowers in the corner.

-He is overtly Populist, and for various reasons our electorate is 110% primed for an outbreak of Populism right now.


11 posted on 04/21/2011 7:08:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Somebody cut in line in front of The Donald at the Federal bailout trough the last coupla years. He’s gonna remind ‘em of it from now until 2012.

They shoulda let him have a piece with the rest of his New York buds....


12 posted on 04/21/2011 7:08:32 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: dirtboy

I’m not bothered by the contributions to rat politicians. It’s the cost of doing business, how the game is played.

The previous statements—such as lauding the Canadian health system—now those really bother me.


13 posted on 04/21/2011 7:08:34 AM PDT by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I don’t see the battle against Trump as one from the “GOP establishment” so to speak - and that establishment is not some singularly focused group inside a smoke filled room making monolithic decisions anyway.

I see the battle against Trump coming from a lot of folks who love what he’s doing now but who see him as far more liberal or incoherent and inconsistent than almost anyone else in the field. He’s bold, successful and fearless. Got it. Love it. But he’s pro union, pro government health care, pro Chuck Schumer and pro crony capitalism and corporatism. Is that really what we need?

He’s probably bold enough to accomplish all of that. Sheesh. And no, I’m not a party official of any shape or fashion and I would prefer Cain over Romney or anyone else.


14 posted on 04/21/2011 7:09:45 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Coming from you , I would see your concern of a Democrat conspiracy. But in all due respect, I highly doubt it goes that far. Trump has turned over a new leaf and has seen the light and folly of the idealistic Leftist myth.

He is genuine this time around. Of course, he still has many issues that need correcting, but his exposure to the Conservative World has worked wonders on him. He is coming around in my opinion.


15 posted on 04/21/2011 7:09:54 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Anyone have one of those “Hope”-style pictures of Trump made up yet, to look like the creepy Obama poster?


16 posted on 04/21/2011 7:12:20 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Birther on Board)
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To: Vigilanteman
Trump is neither as good a businessman as Mitt Romney nor as good as Huck on social issues. IOW, he's the worst of both worlds but talks a good game.

Funny, I remeember people (even in our own party) once saying that Ronald Reagan is 'not presidential, he's an actor, and not a very good one at that'. But look how that turned out.

Not comaparing RR to DT but just find it interesting.
17 posted on 04/21/2011 7:12:55 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: dirtboy

Trump is a bigger man for admitting he was wrong for his past positions in many areas. Abortion being one of them. He wrote a heart felt retraction to his former belief and it was very convincing.

But I still don’t think he will actually run. If he does, he will pick up the flag and follow the Conservative lead. He understands the loyalty-to-serve ethic for who he represents. He has done that in business all of his life.


18 posted on 04/21/2011 7:15:05 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: freespirited
I’m not bothered by the contributions to rat politicians. It’s the cost of doing business, how the game is played.

But that also indicates that Trump is hardly the fighter that some make him out to be. He would rather write Dem politicians a check than stand up to them.

19 posted on 04/21/2011 7:15:14 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Trump is a bigger man for admitting he was wrong for his past positions in many areas. Abortion being one of them. He wrote a heart felt retraction to his former belief and it was very convincing.

Mitt and Rudy said the same thing. Did you believe them?

20 posted on 04/21/2011 7:15:58 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Buckeye McFrog

[”He is overtly Populist, and for various reasons our electorate is 110% primed for an outbreak of Populism right now.”]

BINGO!

You just nailed it FRiend.....On all counts.


21 posted on 04/21/2011 7:17:34 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Diogenesis
How is THAT being a Trojan Horse?

By pretending to be your new best friend, D, he may be just setting up for a Hillary coup in the Democrat Party, or even planning a third party split on the GOP.

22 posted on 04/21/2011 7:18:32 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (What if God doesn't WANT the Gospel rescued from fundamentalism?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Mrs. C has become a fan of the Donald. However, as for me I am still hoping a knight in shining armor will ride up and save the day.

Caddis the younger reminded me of this crude example of HOPE. Hope in one hand, c—p in the other and see which hand gets full first.

My loathing for the Clintons is well known, it also is no secret that I like them every bit as much as I do Mike Huckabee.

What a party we belong to, Ron Paul can tell it like it is, yet he is derided as a KOOK. Liberal trash such as the Ozark YOKUM are loved by a large faction of our party.

What a shame. It seems that whore-mongers, child molesters, and men who sexually molest other men gain more traction in our party than they could in the Dhimmikrat party.

How can that be, unless we have been infiltrated by the lefty, commie loving bums we(some of us at least) oppose?

Trump at least has the testicles to get in the face of the elites who have run our party into the ground.

Oh dear, I have to end this rant.

Caddis the most Elder


23 posted on 04/21/2011 7:18:52 AM PDT by palmerizedCaddis (For those of you under fifty, research Al Capp's Dogpatch. Bottomless canyon, and shmoos.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Trump is neither as good a businessman as Mitt Romney nor as good as Huck on social issues.>>>>>>

Trump could buy and sell Romney 10 times before you can blink. He is worth much much more


24 posted on 04/21/2011 7:23:43 AM PDT by dennisw (nzt - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dirtboy

Most all big business executives and Corporations donate to both sides. They have the attitude that you sell to all Americans on an equal basis or go bankrupt.

Trump IS a dynamic business man who knows how to influence people and he certainly read the Public sentiment by showing a more Populist approach. And he was correct in his evaluation of the American electorate.


25 posted on 04/21/2011 7:24:20 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: mentor2k
For the record, Ronald Reagan had a reasonably good track record of standing up to the libtard establishment in California before he ever ran for president.

So far, Donald Trump's political record is giving money to far left political causes and candidates.

Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee both talked a pretty good game in 2007 and I will confess to being charmed by Romney because he was the only one of the major candidates who actually took on Juan McCain while Huckabee was brown nosing him.

With Mitt and Huck, we have a pretty good idea of the brand of RINO we'd be getting. With Donald Trump, we're just supposed to believe that he's done a 180 degree turn on all his past positions. Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

26 posted on 04/21/2011 7:24:20 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Of course, he still has many issues that need correcting, but his exposure to the Conservative World has worked wonders on him. He is coming around in my opinion.

Good grief, you are THE single most naive poster on this board.

It's fine to laud Trump's take down of the Bambi administration, fine to cheer his victories in puncturing the democrat/media complex. Most of us are doing that, applauding what he's doing.

That being said, ignoring Trump's past statements on issues including his love for national health care, ignoring his overwhelming support of liberalism during his whole life, ignoring his huge trainload of baggage, is just plain stupid. For you to come on a conservative board and claim the man is the candidate conservatives need to push for the nomination is stupid beyond words.

27 posted on 04/21/2011 7:26:21 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Diogenesis

rombot is karl rove and dana pe-rino’s designate.


28 posted on 04/21/2011 7:27:23 AM PDT by ken21 (dem taxes + regs + unions = jobs overseas.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Most all big business executives and Corporations donate to both sides. They have the attitude that you sell to all Americans on an equal basis or go bankrupt.

And you keep missing the point I am making. Trump is being sold by his supporters as a fighter, a guy who can stand up to the Democrats. But his corporate history shows a guy who would rather write them a check instead of standing up to them. So all the Donald has shown as 'fighting' the Dems is flapping his guns on TV. Which means nothing.

Compare that to Palin, who has actually taken on the corrupt establishment in her state on several occasions. Yet Trump the check-writing appeaser is the fighter. Go figure.

29 posted on 04/21/2011 7:28:49 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Romney is clearly a Chameleon. He is what ever color the crowd for the afternoon dictates. As a Politician, Romney rolled with the flow and had no principles what so ever.

Rudy was a Social Liberal but a fiscal hawk. He just did not fit in with the Conservative idealism and he lost because of it.

I still do not believe Trump is fully on our side and I do not agree with much of his agenda. I am simply pointing out his sudden attention and surge of popularity among the average American voter, Conservatives included. To be honest, there is much to like about how Trump is handling his new position.


30 posted on 04/21/2011 7:32:02 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I still do not believe Trump is fully on our side and I do not agree with much of his agenda. I am simply pointing out his sudden attention and surge of popularity among the average American voter, Conservatives included. To be honest, there is much to like about how Trump is handling his new position.

To you, maybe. Some folks apparently WANT to be fooled. I don't.

31 posted on 04/21/2011 7:34:36 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I highly recommend you read the entire article first, before passing judgment. Trump is proving that he has the metal to endure the attacks and rise above them, using them to his advantage. Wouldn't that be a nice trait for the other Candidates to learn for a change?

All well and good, but Donald Trump is not a conservative - so why are we wasting time talking about him?

32 posted on 04/21/2011 7:35:08 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: dirtboy

Thing is, when Trump goes on with former Clinton administration member George Stuffwhatever, and shuts him right down - people admire that.

Even liberals and independents respond to confidence like that.

Trump has that something, which can draw in people. Reagan had it, it was the basis for his landslide victory. “Reagan Democrats”.

Taking a tough trade line would almost guarantee election victory. Americans are starved for this sort of thing.

Seriously. The GOP brainwashing that being meek is desirable in a candidate is (exasperatingly) deep. Trump can win new people to the GOP every single time some liberal reporter tries to take him on. He’s finally standing up to them.

That is monumental.


33 posted on 04/21/2011 7:35:57 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Birther on Board)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Trump wants to bring back jobs exported to China. No wonder he is blasted for hearing the job sucking sound, as was Perot and Buchanan before him. Go Trump Go.


34 posted on 04/21/2011 7:36:17 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Vigilanteman

Again, I remember people saying Reagan headed the biggest bunch of liberals while president of SAG. With him, you couldn’t know what you were getting. Same arguement you’re making against Trump. However, seeing is believing, so I’m keeping my eyes open.


35 posted on 04/21/2011 7:37:19 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: dirtboy
Ain't it funny how people who were suspicious of Mitt, Rudy and Huck who had actual political track records are suddenly buying everything the Donald is selling just because he is a blank screen, except for his campaign contributions?

I suspect it is the same crowd who is writing off Sarah Palin as inexperienced just because the enemedia hates her.

Beware of whatever it is that the enemedia is selling. Currently, it is Donald Trump. Should he secure the Republican nomination, he will instantly be transformed into the most evil man in America who fires people and destroys jobs.

Would he be an improvement over Obozo? Sure he would. Bud so would Rudi, Mitt, Huck or even as steaming pile of doggie doo. That alone is not enough reason to make me for any of them.

36 posted on 04/21/2011 7:37:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Lakeshark
Where did I ever say that Conservatives NEED to push Trump as a candidate?

There you go again, reading things into other posters that is purely false. Then making the accusation as if it is a fact.

Talk about being “stupid beyond words”......

37 posted on 04/21/2011 7:37:41 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Thing is, when Trump goes on with former Clinton administration member George Stuffwhatever, and shuts him right down - people admire that.

Yeah, and in the same interview Trump told Steffie to mind his own business about anything Trump's alleged investigators found in Hawaii. Wait until later.

That, quite frankly, indicates Trump is doing this for show and to keep himself in the limelight.

And Trump can just go on and attack. He doesn't have an elective record to defend. So he is free to do what the likes of a Senator or Representative often cannot do - the story is entirely about Trump's attack on Obama and not about what Trump has done in office - because he's never been in office.

That should be glaringly apparent, but apparently it has sailed right over your head.

38 posted on 04/21/2011 7:40:09 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

And now you are being disingenious. Your post 15 all but endorsed Trump.


39 posted on 04/21/2011 7:42:37 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: mentor2k
Again, I remember people saying Reagan headed the biggest bunch of liberals while president of SAG. With him, you couldn’t know what you were getting.

Splendid analogy considering Reagan was president of the SAG for seven consecutive terms from 1947 to 1952 and served and additional term in 1959, governor of California from 1967 to 1975 and first ran for president in 1976. But I guess eight years of governor of the nation's largest state takes a back seat to the ability to generate media hype. < / sarcasm >

40 posted on 04/21/2011 7:44:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: dirtboy
Don't read me wrong FRiend, we have both been around here for 6 elections. I am a staunch and dedicated Conservative and of course, my opinion of Trump has not changed since his big media splash with Ivana.

The article points out in part, why Trump is making such a major impact this time around and it is based on a Populist attack on the GOP establishment AND the National Socialist Democrats. He is ripping the two of them a new one and I love every minute of it.

Would I support him in the Primaries, probably not, if there is a true Conservative who can win in the race. If he wins the nomination, most of us have no other choice than to vote against Obama. But I can guarantee that I would never support Trump in the Primaries, for any reason.

41 posted on 04/21/2011 7:46:23 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Vigilanteman; mentor2k

Good rebuttal. It’s amazing that mentor2k would even attempt such a lame-assed post on FR.


42 posted on 04/21/2011 7:46:31 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“Trump is proving that he has the metal to endure the attacks and rise above them, using them to his advantage.”

Is he? I figure he’s skating by because no one takes him seriously. Libs use him to make us look foolish, and RINOs use him to scare people away from Birtherism and related heresies. Maybe they should fear him a little, given the case of Ross Perot.

However, I don’t think Trump can manage even that. Which is not to say his xenophobia, protectionism, and imperialism aren’t genuinely popular, at least in a fleeting sense. It’s just that China-bashing is less of the moment than the deficit, inflation, and job growth. Trump is clearly on the wrong side of all that. Unless you take seriosuly his claims that we can simply choke enough money from the globe to cover our largess, and no one does.

Populism is always an option, but it’s gotta be the right sort of populism. Defending Medicare and the stimulus at this point is not a winning formula.


43 posted on 04/21/2011 7:46:40 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Do you even read what you yourself write?

Check the quote I put up from your post. That's naive beyond words, and yes, pretty damn supportive of his potential candidacy, binkie.......

So far, you've never admitted to the three things I've posted to you about his past, you've never even addressed them. Cheerleading his successful breech of the Bambi facade is a great thing, ignoring his past liberal tendencies is not.

44 posted on 04/21/2011 7:48:35 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: glennaro

and Trump does not appear to have the irrepressible need to be loved by the MSM and the DC elite as do so many career politicians on both the Right and the Left.

<><><><><\

Hilarious.

As my father always said, there’s no such thing as bad publicity (unless you are found between the sheets with a live boy or a dead girl)

Trump knows that full well.


45 posted on 04/21/2011 7:48:49 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dirtboy
Compare that to Palin, who has actually taken on the corrupt establishment in her state on several occasions. Yet Trump the check-writing appeaser is the fighter. Go figure.

To which it should be added that Sarah enthusiastically took on corruption in her own party, despite great personal career risk. Including the senior U.S. Senator from Alaska.

46 posted on 04/21/2011 7:49:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: dirtboy
But that also indicates that Trump is hardly the fighter that some make him out to be. He would rather write Dem politicians a check than stand up to them.

You have to pick and choose your battles. I imagine Trump can fight fine when he wants to do so.

Too often, rich people or businesses give money simply because a politician asks for it. They figure they might need access someday, so like I said, it is a business decision. I have had corporate clients who detested liberalism give money to liberals who they thought were in a position to influence their business. It is nauseating, but again, how the game is played.

47 posted on 04/21/2011 7:49:21 AM PDT by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I agree, but think Trump has mettle.
48 posted on 04/21/2011 7:50:33 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Tublecane

“xenophobia”
“protectionism”
“imperialism” (haven’t heard that one in a while)
“birtherism”
“China-bashing”

Sheesh you left out Yankee Running Dog.

Anti-American freetrade globalist agenda much?...


49 posted on 04/21/2011 7:51:20 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Birther on Board)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

My thoughts exactly. It is not that I support Trump, it is just amazing the he has nailed this thing so directly and is SPOT ON, in how to approach the Washington Establishment.

He is a blueprint for other candidates to follow, but more importantly, he is paving the way for defeating them once and for all. Both parties!

I still do not think he will run, he is just taking all the heat to allow the Conservative candidates to get it together. But we can sure count on his continued support when the election gets going. And we do owe him some thanks for what he is doing for our side.


50 posted on 04/21/2011 7:52:23 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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