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Germany to Hungary: New constitution breaches EU values (Bans Abortion, Protects Marriage)
euobserver.com ^ | 04/19/2011 | Leigh Phillips

Posted on 04/21/2011 7:35:08 AM PDT by Pyro7480

Germany has warned the conservative Hungarian government that its new constitution, passed by parliament on Monday (18 April), is not compatible with European Union values.

"We are observing the developments in Hungary with great attention and some worry," German deputy foreign minister Werner Hoyer said in an emailed statement. "The media law adopted at the start of the year shows an attitude towards fundamental rights which - despite some amendments - is hardly compatible with European Union values."

...The Hungarian parliament approved the document 262 votes to 44, with the Socialist and green parties boycotting the vote and the far-right Jobbik voting against it....

The European Commission for its part has washed its hands of the matter, telling EUobserver that the constitution is for Hungarians to decide and that the country remains a constitutional democracy....

The new text, heavy with references to Christianity, protects the life of a foetus "from conception" and preserves "the institution of marriage between man and woman".

(Excerpt) Read more at euobserver.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; christiandemocracy; eussr; germany; hungary; marriage
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A further explanation on why the left-wing EU die-hards are up in arms over this constitution:

From Hungarian Constitution Invokes St. Stephen, Abolishes Abortion

The decadent EU does everything to destroy Marriage and Europe and capitulate to the stone age.

Actually, it's not everywhere that Europe is being laid flat by progress.

So the Hungarian Parliament has ratified this Tuesday a new Constitution....

After the introduction of the new constitution, the left stone age opposition seethed.

Because the text is a clear rejection of political masochism, it begins with the words:


God, Save Hungary

National Commitment

We, the members of the Hungary Nation, assert our responsibility to say the following for all Hungary at the beginning of the millennium:

We are proud of the fact that our King Stephen, the Saintly Patron of the Hungarian State for a thousand years had built a secure foundation and placed our Fatherland in the line of Christian Europe.

We are proud of our forebears, who persisted for that, who have fought for the freedom and independence of our Land.

We are proud of the great spiritual accomplishments of the Hungarian people.


We are proud that our people had defended Europe for a thousand years and whose common values were enriched by their talents and enriched its industry.

We recognize the role of Christianity in the persistence of the Nation.

The Constitution protects the institution of marriage as a life in common between a man and a woman as well as the family as the foundation of the nations progress.

The constitution promotes the decision for the child.

The defense of the family was the ruling concerning the main focus of the law.

The anti-child opponents wanted to put forward their opposition to unlimited respect for human life.


Actually the new Constitution said:

"The value of human life is unfathomable. Every person has the right to life and human value; the life of the foetus is protected from conception to birth."

The new Hungarian constitution contains also a debt limit, unlike any other European constitution has.

Translated from kreuz.net...

1 posted on 04/21/2011 7:35:18 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 04/21/2011 7:36:44 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Good for Hungary


3 posted on 04/21/2011 7:38:16 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Pyro7480

So...if Germany continues to object to Hungarian independence, will they call for a re-do of WWII?


4 posted on 04/21/2011 7:39:01 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Pyro7480

Wow! Almost looks like there IS a Catholic Christian nation in the world!


5 posted on 04/21/2011 7:39:35 AM PDT by dangus
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To: yldstrk

The real reason they’re worried about Hungary is that the hungarians removed free speech from their constitution.


6 posted on 04/21/2011 7:41:07 AM PDT by buzzer
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To: Pyro7480

Strange, this Hoyer guy is FDP. When that party is described as “liberal” it means “classical liberal” in the sense of a free market economy. It’s center-right in German politics.


7 posted on 04/21/2011 7:41:16 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Pyro7480

The government for its part, terms the text the ‘Easter Constitution’ to symbolise the ‘rebirth’ of the Hungarian nation and rejects complaints that the government has pushed through the document, saying that they opened discussions on the paper a year ago and that opposition parties boycotted the process.

Wasn’t sure what I was gonna do when our economy gets worse but after reading this, I’m going to Hungary!!!!!


8 posted on 04/21/2011 7:42:35 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Pyro7480

I’ll buy Hungarian wine this weekend. Screw that German stuff.


9 posted on 04/21/2011 7:43:01 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Pyro7480

G-d bless Hungary! DON’T give in!!!


10 posted on 04/21/2011 7:43:52 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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To: Pyro7480

Another Diktat from the EU.


11 posted on 04/21/2011 7:44:28 AM PDT by AU72
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To: marstegreg
Wasn’t sure what I was gonna do when our economy gets worse but after reading this, I’m going to Hungary!!!!!

You'll love it! It's a beautiful little country -- great food,nice scenery and the people are hospitable and friendly.

12 posted on 04/21/2011 7:45:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Pyro7480

“And if you don’t correct it, the Panzers will roll..”


13 posted on 04/21/2011 7:45:16 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Pyro7480
Germany has warned the conservative Hungarian government that...

What does that mean? Did the German Chancellor summon the Hungarian Ambassador? Did the Bundestag pass a resolution? Or is it just that some vocal minority issued a press release.

14 posted on 04/21/2011 7:46:53 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Pyro7480

Werner Hoyer is not Germany. He does not even represent the ruling party, CSU/CDU. Germany was furious with the Left, but considered the Christian Democrats too spineless so enough Conservatives chose a party somewhere between Ross Perot, Ron Paul and Christine Todd Whitman to force the CSU/CDU to form a coalition with them, stupidly further weakening the CSU/CDU’s spine. Hoyer’s post was the FDP’s pound of flesh.


15 posted on 04/21/2011 7:47:43 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Pecos

Actually Germany is right. Hungary agreed to quite a few things when they joined EU. The problem is that EU is falling apart with nationalism and ‘right wing’ movements bashing EU, but no one wants to admit it.


16 posted on 04/21/2011 7:53:21 AM PDT by mewykwistmas ("The last time the French asked for 'more proof,' it came marching into Paris under a German flag.")
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To: Pyro7480

Curious creature this new Hungarian government.

They seem to embrace traditional social values, and yet had no qualms about helping themselves to the contents of everyone’s 401K.

Anyway, “EU Values” is an oxymoron.


17 posted on 04/21/2011 7:54:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
They seem to embrace traditional social values, and yet had no qualms about helping themselves to the contents of everyone’s 401K.

Source?

18 posted on 04/21/2011 7:55:39 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: ScottinVA

You’ll love it! It’s a beautiful little country — great food,nice scenery and the people are hospitable and friendly.

I’ve only seen Budapest in photos. It looks absolutely lovely! :)


19 posted on 04/21/2011 7:57:59 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: ScottinVA

You’ll love it! It’s a beautiful little country — great food,nice scenery and the people are hospitable and friendly.

I’ve only seen Budapest in photos. It looks absolutely lovely! :)


20 posted on 04/21/2011 7:58:06 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: mewykwistmas

Germany may legally correct (as they were with respect to the anti-Jewish laws passed in the 1930’s). That does not make them right.


21 posted on 04/21/2011 7:59:35 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: dangus
Thought while working with my berry bushes: if the roots are sitll thre, the leaves and blossoms will come back.

No wonder Our Lord loved agricultural metaphors!

22 posted on 04/21/2011 8:04:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I am the Vine, you are the branches. Abide in me and you will bear much fruit." Lord Jesus Christ)
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To: Pecos

“Germany may legally correct (as they were with respect to the anti-Jewish laws passed in the 1930’s). That does not make them right.”


Don’t mix the two. Germany in this case is telling the official EU position, nothing to do with the Jews. In this case the Hungarians begged EU to let them in and agreed to everything, hardly the same could be said about the Jews in WWII. All Hungary has to do is leave EU, no is stopping them from doing so.


23 posted on 04/21/2011 8:04:58 AM PDT by mewykwistmas ("The last time the French asked for 'more proof,' it came marching into Paris under a German flag.")
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Curious creature this new Hungarian government. They seem to embrace traditional social values, and yet had no qualms about helping themselves to the contents of everyone’s 401K.

They don't call them Christian Socialists for nothing. Coming soon to America if a Mike Huckabee-type gets elected.

24 posted on 04/21/2011 8:05:38 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("The time will come when Winter will ask you what you were doing all Summer" -- Henry Clay)
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To: Pyro7480

Screw the Germans, Go Hungary.


25 posted on 04/21/2011 8:07:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; Buckeye McFrog
I see no sign the members of the ruling party are Christian socialists.

Fidesz

26 posted on 04/21/2011 8:08:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

“They seem to embrace traditional social values, and yet had no qualms about helping themselves to the contents of everyone’s 401K.

Source? “


http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/2010/11/24/hungary-forces-private-pension-fund-members-back-to-state-scheme/


27 posted on 04/21/2011 8:11:27 AM PDT by mewykwistmas ("The last time the French asked for 'more proof,' it came marching into Paris under a German flag.")
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To: mewykwistmas

Whoa, that’s not good.


28 posted on 04/21/2011 8:17:15 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Germans trying to rule the world via political correctness.


29 posted on 04/21/2011 8:18:18 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Pyro7480

I always thought the EU was a bad idea. You cannot weld that many countries with that many different histories and values into one conglomerate without having serious problems.


30 posted on 04/21/2011 8:19:52 AM PDT by sigzero
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“I’m goin’ Hungary.....ayyyyyy”


31 posted on 04/21/2011 8:23:44 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Pyro7480

Time for Hungary to quit the EU.


32 posted on 04/21/2011 8:25:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Pyro7480

from wiki

Motto His Latin: Cum Deo pro Patria et Libertate (”With the help of God for Homeland and Freedom”) or Regnum Mariae Patronae Hungariae (”Kingdom of Mary, the Patron of Hungary”)[1]

Anthem: Himnusz(”Isten, áldd meg a magyart”)
“Hymn” or “Anthem” (”God, bless the Hungarians”)


33 posted on 04/21/2011 8:27:42 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Pecos

Will Germany launch a blitzkrieg against Catholic Hungary like they did against Catholic Poland?


34 posted on 04/21/2011 8:30:38 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Pyro7480

Good for Hungary! Glad not all of Europe is sold out to self-destruction. We’ll need pockets of sanity as the financial slide into the abyss begins.


35 posted on 04/21/2011 8:33:43 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Liberty, not License. Freedom, not Slavery.)
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To: mewykwistmas

I promise, I am not confusing Kristalnacht (sp?) with the current Hungarian situation. Perhaps I should have put a little smiley on my post.


36 posted on 04/21/2011 8:39:38 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Pyro7480
The criticism is specifically about the new media law. Apparently, there is going to be a new government agency overseeing all news production in tv, radio, print, and the internet, which is supposed to make sure that the reporting is properly “balanced” and “factually correct,” and which has the power to issue heavy fines for what it perceives as breaches of fair coverage.

Apparently, they are having a liberal media problem that they are trying to solve in this way. But you know how these things work out…how would you like a bunch of Obama-appointed government henchmen overseeing the media, sending everybody from Fox News to Jim Thompson big bills whenever they don’t like what they see?

37 posted on 04/21/2011 8:42:49 AM PDT by cartan
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“...shows an attitude towards fundamental rights which - despite some amendments - is hardly compatible with European Union values.”

Because protecting the “right” to murder innocent infants is SUCH a “value”...

God Bless Hungary. Throwing off the last clinging Fecal remains of the communists and asserting their rightful place in Christendom again.

Lord, help them and guide them, and PROTECT them - or give them the will and the means to protect themselves.


38 posted on 04/21/2011 8:52:28 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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39 posted on 04/21/2011 8:54:22 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: NFHale

maybe we should immigrate em here and they can ‘do the jobs American [politicians] wont do’...


40 posted on 04/21/2011 9:12:30 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: mewykwistmas; Pecos

Pecos’ analogy is valid. Germany has zero moral authority to demand the murder of Hungarian pre-born or the subversion of Hungarian marriage, despite anything the EU claims as its “values.”


41 posted on 04/21/2011 9:14:37 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: cartan
how would you like a bunch of Obama-appointed government henchmen overseeing the media

The linked article says nothing about government henchmen overseeing the media. What is your source?

42 posted on 04/21/2011 9:22:29 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mewykwistmas; Pyro7480

Well, mewykwistmas, you are only something less than half-right.

From the article your referenced it is clear that the “private” pension accounts were NOT like our “401k” plans, and were in fact more like “Fannie and Freddie” accounts, with Hungarian national government guarantees on the performance of the funds.

As it is, the “private pension” accounts brought back into the fold of the national pension system will remain individual accounts and be inheritable to the individual’s spouse.

Altogether it seems more like a “national accounting” change with not much really changing in what will go into the accounts, but the “national deficit” image is altered, for the benefit of the international financiers, by the inclusion of the “private pension” account balances back on the “reserves” side of the national government’s ledger. Given the guarantees that the national government had in place for those accounts all along, it may be less of a change than it would have been in an American context.


43 posted on 04/21/2011 9:40:55 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Gilbo_3

Hopefully, Hungarian Patriots are “cleansing” the last remnants of their internal communist problem...

Good hunting, mates..


44 posted on 04/21/2011 9:43:47 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
The linked article says nothing about government henchmen overseeing the media. What is your source?
The article is quoting the German deputy foreign minister Werner Hoyer, who specifically criticized the new media law. Just google for “Hungary new media law” and you will find as many sources as you want.
45 posted on 04/21/2011 10:10:56 AM PDT by cartan
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...The Hungarian parliament approved the document 262 votes to 44, with the Socialist and green parties boycotting the vote and the far-right Jobbik voting against it....

Fascists, Communists, Socialists, Greens...all the same.

46 posted on 04/21/2011 10:28:01 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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To: cartan

I’m not pleased with it, but on the other hand, it’s a little odd to hear state-controlled media criticizing Hungary’s plan to monitor the media for terrorist threats. There is no free media in Europe. Try criticizing female circumcision in Germany, and just see how fast it takes the jack boots to come to your door.


47 posted on 04/21/2011 10:36:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: cartan

Actually, I’m not sure I’m even displeased with the law. It sounds like the gripes are coming from the socialist, state-dependent news media who are upset that the Hungarian version of NPR might be slightly more beholden to the democratic government than to socialist elite.


48 posted on 04/21/2011 10:41:42 AM PDT by dangus
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To: mas cerveza por favor

“Pecos’ analogy is valid. Germany has zero moral authority to demand the murder of Hungarian pre-born or the subversion of Hungarian marriage, despite anything the EU claims as its “values.””


Before you join EU you MUST agree to a lot of crap http://europa.eu/abc/eurojargon/index_en.htm . It’s all voluntary of course, no one forces anyone to join or stay in the EU. So if Hungary doesn’t like that, they can exit EU. Very simple, really, but you cannot go against EU rules and laws and still be in it. Ireland and UK for example have negotiated many waivers with EU.


49 posted on 04/21/2011 11:44:04 AM PDT by mewykwistmas ("The last time the French asked for 'more proof,' it came marching into Paris under a German flag.")
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To: marstegreg

If you like the city life, you’ll like Budapest. Also, south of there, Lake Balaton is one of the finest inland lake recreation areas on the continent. It gets crowded with Germans, though.


50 posted on 04/21/2011 11:48:53 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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