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Cigar smokers ask for a place to light up
The Washington Times ^ | April 20, 2011 | Nicholas K. Geranios (Associated Press)

Posted on 04/21/2011 4:23:24 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

SPOKANE, Wash. | As quests for freedom go, it’s not exactly the fight against apartheid in South Africa. But cigar smokers around the country are fed up with smoking bans that prevent them from enjoying stogies in cigar bars with friends.

A rising number of states have moved to exempt cigars from indoor smoking bans, often by establishing cigar bars or smoking lounges inside cigar stores. Pro-cigar groups have sprung up nationally and in most states, spreading a message that their product is fundamentally different from cigarettes.

Cigar smokers are not interested in exposing the general public to their pungent fumes, said Joe Arundel, president of the Cigar Association of Washington. But they don’t see why they can’t smoke in the company of fellow enthusiasts - a gathering known as a “herf” in cigar circles - in businesses dedicated solely to the product.

“It’s not like people walk into a cigar store by accident,” said Mr. Arundel, who operates Rain City Cigar in Seattle.

Washington used to have cigar bars and lounges. But a ban on all indoor smoking in 2005 put them out of business. A bill introduced in the state legislature this year that would allow a limited number of cigar lounges and bars has languished in committee, after getting vehement opposition from the state Department of Health.

Washington state health officials oppose any change to the state’s indoor smoking ban, one of the nation’s first, said Tim Church, a spokesman for the agency. “The indoor smoking law was passed by a great majority in every county in Washington state.”

The ban is intended to protect the health of nonsmokers and especially of employees who work in bars and restaurants, Mr. Church said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cigarbars; cigarettes; cigars; nannystate; smokingbans

1 posted on 04/21/2011 4:23:31 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Eric Blair 2084; paltz; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

Nanny State PING!


2 posted on 04/21/2011 4:25:36 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Follow me on Twitter @mpetrie98)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I bet if the smokers where filling the cigars with pot, these bans would magically disappear. Especially in Leftist states.


3 posted on 04/21/2011 4:28:34 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: martin_fierro

Yo...


4 posted on 04/21/2011 4:29:09 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yeah Baby!


5 posted on 04/21/2011 4:32:07 PM PDT by misterrob (You cannot call yourself a conservative if you support socialistic government programs!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The ban is intended to protect the health of nonsmokers and especially of employees who work in bars and restaurants,...

The right to protect ones self individually is illegal in the land of individual freedom.

It takes a village in this time of compassionate politics to guarantee individual freedoms has dictated by the mob.

6 posted on 04/21/2011 4:32:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If they allow cigar lounges then they should have to allow cigarette lounges. just saying.


7 posted on 04/21/2011 4:34:41 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: Netizen

Conversely, if tobacco clubs are banned then gay bath houses should be banned. The public health risks are obvious.


8 posted on 04/21/2011 4:36:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Vision
Personal Interest *PING*, Vision.........I'm still trying to get into those stogies, but the nearest smoke shop is 50 miles away, and I just can't bring myself to do the online thing. Plus, the missus will kill me if I light up the wrong one near her. I'm a cigar basket case. LOL

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

9 posted on 04/21/2011 4:43:39 PM PDT by Viking2002 (RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

One way around the tactic of using employee safety against a smoking lounge is to not have employees, only members, with the club being a Limited Liability Company. Members that perform services for the LLC such as teaching bartending, cigar appreciation, and pole dancing classes, get a form of shares that are redeemable in cash.

This is sweetened by having dividends that are substantially better than typical investments.

Membership in such a club is terribly strict, with prospective members providing substantial affirmation about their beliefs and associations. Excluded are attorneys, LEOs, city employees, and other such disreputable types. A final vote of the membership including sponsorship by existing members, is par for the course.

To prevent the business exclusion of private clubs, conversations are limited to non-business topics.


10 posted on 04/21/2011 4:47:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Or ya hire smokers and make them sign a waiver that they won’t complain about the smoke in the future.


11 posted on 04/21/2011 4:49:34 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I grew up in Tampa

It was known as Cigar city.

Today 1 Cigar Factory.

First Clinton and then Obama killed the industry.

12 posted on 04/21/2011 4:51:22 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Cigar smokers ask for a place to light up

I suggest that FReepers consider The Metropolitan Society if they are anywhere near Fairfield, NJ.

Some years ago a post here took me to a link which referenced this club. Fifteeen minutes later I was a member!

ML/NJ

13 posted on 04/21/2011 4:58:34 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I just don’t understand the mentality. If someone wants to work in a cigar bar, why shouldn’t they have the freedom to do so? Just like the cigar smokers themselves. WHO are the anti-tobacco Nazis “helping”? There used to be a very elegant cigar bar at the top of one of the hotels in my city. Fantastic views, fireplaces, sports on the hi-def TVs, the finest selection of scotches and liquors, the hottest waitresses. NOBODY who “didn’t like” smoke was forced to enter. Everyone was happy, ESPECIALLY the waitresses and bartenders who made gigantic tips. Now it’s a “wine bar” that hardly anyone goes to. I guarantee the waitresses that were let go were just “thrilled”. NOT!


14 posted on 04/21/2011 5:01:15 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
One way around the tactic of using employee safety against a smoking lounge is to not have employees, only members

This is what we do. (See post at #13.) Even UPS guys aren't permitted into our vestibule!

ML/NJ

15 posted on 04/21/2011 5:02:20 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Some guy in Tacoma tried this approach, I think, but was shut down post-haste, even though he followed the “law” to the letter.


16 posted on 04/21/2011 5:03:07 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: boop
I ran a private cigar club. It was private, as in space rented in my name. It was in a "loft" type building, meaning live/work rules, and it was just my "studio". IE: no city officials had any right to enter the space. A few friends helped with the rent. Lasted 3 years, but got too big and trouble some, so we shut it down.

If you keep it to a small group of people you know and trust this approach might work for others. A nice apartment somewhere would work well, too, if your local doesn't have tons of loft space.

17 posted on 04/21/2011 5:11:29 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Washington state health officials oppose any change to the state’s indoor smoking ban, one of the nation’s first, said Tim Church, a spokesman for the agency. “The indoor smoking law was passed by a great majority in every county in Washington state.”

And those who voted in favor won't be going to the locations that would be affected by this bill. Or are you saying you think those voter have the right to veto the right of others to engage in particular behaviors even when they themselves are by definition not affected? Dillweed.

18 posted on 04/21/2011 5:12:54 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

No feds either feds can go screw.


19 posted on 04/21/2011 5:16:19 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: boop

Working on a medical center campus where smoking is verboten, I’m continually struck by the wide open spaces, benches, fountains, courtyards... and no one patronizing them.


20 posted on 04/21/2011 5:18:39 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Viking2002

Hey. What can I help with?


21 posted on 04/21/2011 5:22:39 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Instead of enforcing virtual Prohibition on a legal product why couldn’t enlightened state legislatures simply pass a law that business establishments either be all smoking or all non smoking and advertise their choice in large lettered signs on their doors and similar notices be included in all advertisements, webs sites and offers of employment. This way those who do not wish to have smoke can simply not enter the establishment. The market will quickly decide what businesses they want to patronize.


22 posted on 04/21/2011 6:00:34 PM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: scooby321
First Clinton and then Obama killed the industry.

I admit, I don't know much about the cigar part of the tobacco business. However, I was under the impression that cigars enjoyed a big renaissance during the 1990s (prior to the revelations about Bill's personal humidor). There were cigar stores opening all over the place, restaurants advertising cigar dinners... that sort of stuff.

Are you referring to the overall legal assault on "big tobacco", or is it something more specific?

23 posted on 04/21/2011 6:15:01 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Viking2002

Getting them online works great. Just gotta know what you’re looking for.

I take my kayak out into the middle of the lake, put my feet up and that’s right enjoy my cigars.


24 posted on 04/21/2011 6:23:02 PM PDT by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: Viking2002

Getting them online works great. Just gotta know what you’re looking for.

I take my kayak out into the middle of the lake, put my feet up and that’s where I enjoy my cigars.


25 posted on 04/21/2011 6:24:00 PM PDT by Boxsford (God Is.)
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To: Vision
Just a topical knock on the door........cigar stuff.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

26 posted on 04/21/2011 6:27:13 PM PDT by Viking2002 (RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!!)
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To: Boxsford

No smoking on the lake secondhand smoke is bad for teh fish besides you or somebody else might throw a butt in the water and thena ll the fish would be DEAD!


27 posted on 04/21/2011 7:13:35 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 04/21/2011 7:29:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Netizen
Or ya hire smokers and make them sign a waiver that they won’t complain about the smoke in the future.

Interestingly enough, the Anti-Smoking Cartel applauds any business that advertises for non-smoking employees, even going so far as to encourage "smokers need not apply" company policies. However, if a company advertises for employees who smoke, those same weenies scream employment discrimination from the roof tops.

29 posted on 04/22/2011 4:18:19 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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