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Libyan rebels pay a heavy price for resisting Gaddafi in Misrata
THe Guardian ^ | Thursday 21 April 2011 | Xan Rice

Posted on 04/21/2011 10:32:56 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The graves outside the shrine are packed tightly together, thick stripes of cement with small concrete blocks poking out of the earth at either end. Some of the graves are about six feet apart, like those marking the remains of Khalid Abushahma, the first protester to be shot dead by Muammar Gaddafi's forces in this Libyan port city on 20 February, and of Ali al-Hadi, who died just two days ago.

Other graves barely span two feet. Ibrahim Omran, a baby buried on 7 April. Amina Abdullah, a small girl, two weeks before. Sanad Aduraat, a toddler killed by a bullet on 6 March. Carved into the cement next to Aduraat's name, next to all the names, is the word al-shaheed, meaning martyr.

"Gaddafi is the reason for all this," said Abdullah Almohandis, an old man in a brown hooded cloak who oversees the cemetery.

Heavy explosions boomed in the distance, as they do here for many hours of each day and night. Almohandis held his open hands to the sky, shaking with rage.

The war in Misrata is now two months old. The graveyards are filling up and the hospitals are overflowing. In their attempt to end the uprising, Gaddafi's forces have killed at least 1,000 people. Around 90% are civilians who have died because of indiscriminate shelling or shooting, doctors here say.

Fighting has been so heavy that parts of the city centre are now almost completely destroyed. Buildings, homes and mosques are pockmarked with bullet holes. Walls have been completely blown away, or are blackened by fire. Entire suburbs near the front lines are empty of families, who have crammed into other parts of the city, closer to the sea. Communications have been completely cut.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hitlery; libya; misrata; obamanation; samanthapower

1 posted on 04/21/2011 10:32:59 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Around 90% are civilians who have died because of indiscriminate shelling or shooting, doctors here say.

1) Rebels declared war on Gaddafi. It's certainly their right, but it's a bit illogical to complain that the opponent shoots at them. What did they expect?

2) It is indeed unfortunate that the innocents are being killed. But then why do the rebels stay among them? Aren't the rebels, by any chance, using civilians as shields?

3) But if the rebels are surrounded, have nowhere to go and want to protect civilians, the only logical choice for them is to surrender. The fact that they are surrounded in a city is a defeat already; the complete destruction is only a matter of time (which they try to delay by inviting foreign troops.)

2 posted on 04/21/2011 10:48:14 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wacko violent muslims killing wacko violent muslims. Someone explain why we should give a ratsass.


3 posted on 04/21/2011 11:11:14 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: Da Mav; Greysard; no-to-illegals; Marine_Uncle; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SE Mom; All

This entire article, and if you comment without reading it you are ill informed, is one of the best on urban warfare I have ever read. It is highly descriptive of what is going on in Misrata, how the defense is being handled, etc. A serious problem is Qadaffi’s mercenary snipers who are killing anyone they can, who sticks their head out a door, including children who just want to play outside. It also describes in detail how the whole mess started with a few demonstrators who supported Banghazi, and how it escallated with Qadaffi’s ham fisted handling of the situation.


4 posted on 04/21/2011 11:19:13 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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And tonight, I can report that we have stopped Gaddafi’s deadly advance."
- Pres. Obama, March 28, 2011
5 posted on 04/21/2011 11:36:38 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: gleeaikin

Like most articles in The Guardian, you are less informed after reading the propaganda than before it. Nowhere does the article explain who the rebels are or why we should “give a rat sass”.

Clearly the article wants us to believe that one side is responsible for all the bad things. And that this evil side is opposed by the al Qaeda side. If that doesn’t get your nose twitching at the aroma of BS... you’ve never worked in a barn.

The only intervention we ought to consider in Libya is selling Pay Per View as our enemies fight it out.


6 posted on 04/22/2011 2:08:38 AM PDT by Da Mav
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To: gleeaikin

Ill informed??? You are delusional to think this article is anything but another piece of disinformation to boost these ‘rebels’ aka Islamic invaders. I read this Guardian piece and it’s just typical of the captured press hoping to force the weak minded westerners into putting boots on the ground. These rebel scumbags will hopefully be wiped out soon w/o the West putting any forces on the ground to fight in this hellhole! The only silver lining is an escalation will further damage the Obama Administration.


7 posted on 04/22/2011 3:04:12 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: MinorityRepublican

I got halfway through but I couldn’t go on. The sob stories were using up all my hankies. Does propaganda have a purple-prose genre? If so, this guy wins the Nobel.


8 posted on 04/22/2011 3:10:06 AM PDT by firebrand (Impeach Obama.)
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To: gleeaikin

I see that you and Al Guardian are on the same side here.

“the night cometh, when no man can work”

I hope I don’t end up saying I told you so anytime soon.


9 posted on 04/22/2011 3:21:05 AM PDT by firebrand (Impeach Obama.)
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To: gleeaikin
The article is misleading...the whole thing started when Al Qaeda operatives raided a Libyan Army depot in Al Baida.

Libya Islamists 'seize arms, take hostages'

10 posted on 04/22/2011 4:04:20 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Ah.


11 posted on 04/22/2011 6:54:56 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: gleeaikin
It is a basic repeat of what I read so often taking place in central and northern Iraq as well of course the many river towns along the Euphrates river in al-Anbar.
It is like replace the name of Misrata with Ar Ramadi or say Fallujah and one sees an exact same situation taking place.
And to some degree equivalent reporting. No one knows how many innocent where killed by mostly sniping by Saddamist and radical Sunni groups in general in those two cities, verse how many by US troops.
12 posted on 04/22/2011 7:24:17 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: D-fendr

13 posted on 04/22/2011 7:27:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Tried the link. It didn’t work for me.


14 posted on 04/22/2011 10:39:26 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=44478
15 posted on 04/22/2011 10:42:35 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: dfwgator
The rebels have Obama behind them.

What do you expect?

16 posted on 04/22/2011 12:28:23 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Dead muslims are dead muslims, I don’t feel sorry for any of them on either side.


17 posted on 04/22/2011 12:38:27 PM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: Grunthor

Thinning the herd.


18 posted on 04/22/2011 12:45:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: gleeaikin

Nonsense. The terrorists who started this have been using innocent civilians for their own purposes. Unfortunately, they started a war to take over from Kaddafi, and when you have people shooting at each other in cities, innocents will get hurt.

The rebellion was nearly over, when the jerks stepped in for “humanitarian” reasons and started bombing the government forces. Now, thousands more have been killed, and the war has been extended, for no good reason.

The press is entirely one-sided. Left-wing propagandists doing their best to portray Muslim terrorists and leftist agitators as the good guys.

Kaddafi certainly has his bad points, but he has done more for the people of his country than most Arab leaders. They hate him for that.


19 posted on 04/22/2011 1:03:33 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Cicero

Libya has (had?) the highest per capita in North Africa.


20 posted on 04/22/2011 1:09:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: gleeaikin
A serious problem is Qadaffi’s mercenary snipers who are killing anyone they can, who sticks their head out a door, including children who just want to play outside.

And how reliable is the source for that info?

21 posted on 04/22/2011 1:16:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In the fog of war, hard to tell if it’s a rebel sniper or just an ordinary civilian peaking out of the window.


22 posted on 04/22/2011 1:30:04 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: gleeaikin

That is a good article. Very well written.


23 posted on 04/22/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Greysard

Maybe they’re hoping one of their leaders will say “NUTS” to a surrender demand,inspiring the world, and then Col. Creighton Abrams will lead the forward elements of 4th Armored to their rescue.There’s a better chance of that happening than NATO riding to the rescue.


24 posted on 04/22/2011 1:47:10 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: xkaydet65

At this rate, the rebels will win the siege of Misrata. There’s so many Loyalists and they cannot easily replace their losses even if they end up killing over 100,000 rebels and civilians alike in Misrata.


25 posted on 04/22/2011 2:03:54 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Correction: Not that many Loyalist troops in Misrata.
26 posted on 04/22/2011 2:07:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Da Mav
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27 posted on 04/22/2011 3:04:33 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: Da Mav

A very liberal friend of mine has a sister who writes for the Guardian.

He can’t stand reading his own sister’s extreme leftist slant.


28 posted on 04/22/2011 3:08:00 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Impossible, the rebels are on the eve of total victory! /s

Thanks MinorityRepublican.


29 posted on 04/22/2011 3:30:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Da Mav

Someone here at FR said a few weeks ago our best course in Libya was to let the two sides fight to the death and then we come in bomb and the winner.

I still haven’t heard anything that sounds better.


30 posted on 04/22/2011 9:54:25 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: Quickgun

lol ;-)


31 posted on 04/23/2011 12:32:26 AM PDT by Da Mav
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To: GATOR NAVY

Agreed.


32 posted on 04/23/2011 12:46:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: D-fendr
"And tonight, I can report that we have stopped Gaddafi’s deadly advance."

Would that be
33 posted on 04/23/2011 5:04:34 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: MinorityRepublican
That they have managed to keep Gaddafi's forces to one side of the city seems a miracle, or at least a masterclass in guerrilla warfare.

Yeahhh, miracles come a little easier when you have NATO's Air Force on your side. Funny the writer never even mentioned this little factoid. "masterclass in guerilla warfare" my ass.

The Brits really are lost, aren't they--just like in 1938, they don't even know what side they are on.

34 posted on 04/23/2011 5:44:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: MinorityRepublican; tubebender; glock rocks; NormsRevenge; SouthTexas; GRRRRR; NYTexan

It’ll be better when the Mexicans get there...

http://youtu.be/Q6orA0Z2lOg


35 posted on 04/23/2011 5:54:17 PM PDT by Pete-R-Bilt (Never regret getting old, it's a privilege denyed to many...)
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To: Cicero
Kaddafi certainly has his bad points, but he has done more for the people of his country than most Arab leaders.

As a matter of fact, C, most of Kaddafi's points are bad. In the decades since he took over from our pal, King Idris, he has squandered the country's oil wealth ...well over $100 billion per year ... on himself, terrorism. and and a stockpile of arms that, as the hapless rebels are finding out, bottomless.

Libya is a flyblown hell hole, which over the past 3 or 4 years, has not even been able to feed itself, much less educate its young people, those it does manage to educate in Europe, it cannot employ. A great deal of the infrastructure in this festering sore on the planet, such as it is, is built and maintained by foreigners.

The rebels are heavily infiltrated for sure by Islamic ani of the worst sort, but the "good" rebels had very good cause to revolt against Kaddaffi. Of course, Kid Kenya managed to screw them over quite handily. Libya is also divided by fierce tribalism.

Our man in Washington has screwed this up from the get go, as he did in Egypt, by choosing sides, then backing off support for those chosen. Kadaffi is bringing in mercenaries from around the globe, but principally from sub-Saharan countries. Kadaffi himself is a complete ignoramus with a Jr. High education who apparently gets most of his ideas of the world from MTV.

He's got to be whacked. I have no idea of whether or not whoever follows this wanker will be better or not, but now, thanks to the insane dithering of Kid Kenya, we had better find out. If not, The West, and particularly the Mombasa Moonbeam will lose all credibility. That is not good.

36 posted on 04/23/2011 8:46:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: MinorityRepublican; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; ...
RE :”The war in Misrata is now two months old. The graveyards are filling up and the hospitals are overflowing. In their attempt to end the uprising, Gaddafi's forces have killed at least 1,000 people. Around 90% are civilians who have died because of indiscriminate shelling or shooting, doctors here say.

OH-OH. Here we go again. Maybe the rebels should not fight in civilian areas if this is such a big problem.

There is no end to our money McCain and Graham-nesy are willing to spend in new wars. Be glad McCain is not president in spite of Obama.

37 posted on 04/23/2011 10:19:12 PM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: dfwgator

Gaddafi is fighting tied with one hand behind his back. He has already proved that he has cluster bombs. He has in his posession SCUD B missiles and FROG missiles. He can rain those missiles on Benghazi any time he wants.


38 posted on 04/24/2011 1:16:49 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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Those missiles are probably inside bunkers. He has about 10 tons of poison gas(Mustard Gas) in shelters also.


39 posted on 04/24/2011 1:18:24 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: GATOR NAVY
Someone here at FR said a few weeks ago our best course in Libya was to let the two sides fight to the death and then we come in bomb and the winner

Peace through superior firepower

40 posted on 04/24/2011 7:06:50 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: sickoflibs

The rebels just won the siege of Misrata besides taking heavy casualties. Now that the Americans are sending the drones to go after the Loyalists, I think they’ll desert en masse and the Dictator’s 42 year reign is finally finished.


41 posted on 04/24/2011 9:23:49 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Are drones any good at night, in the dark? In clouds of smoke?

I guess they are only as good as the Intel that the guys operating them are getting?

After this Kinetic Military operation is done I wonder where the UN and its Kenyan leader will be sending our military forces. We'll just need to borrow another trillion to reload and attack. Gas should hit about 10 dollars a gallon by 2012.

42 posted on 04/24/2011 6:31:20 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Pete-R-Bilt
Now THATS funny..."Un burrito...Andele'!"
43 posted on 04/24/2011 10:44:53 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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