Skip to comments.COSTCO selling HALAL meat, beware, you might be eating meat offered to ALLAH!
Posted on 04/22/2011 9:36:39 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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I don’t care if butchers praise the flying spaghetti monster. You’ve been confusing “same” and “similar” from the get-go.
To be honest, I’m not even sure what this thread is about. It seems like a bunch of overwrought hand wringing. What are you pissed about, exactly?
If you have to be told after reading the headline and dont get it, you wont understnad after I explain it
“Ive eaten more than my fair share of halal meats during my two deployments and I havent grown horns yet.”
You’re not dead yet.
Your "research" is flawed.
"Sure, its not the same, but knife across the throat, dont get the spinal column sums it up."
Sums it up for a childish POV maybe...
(sorry for the tone, but if you are going to reply with a teenager's snarky attitude, here it is back at you).
" Yes, youre right there are differences, but the manner of slaughter IS similar. Not the same, but similar as I said."
Yeah, America is similar to Iraq because both have people with lungs... NOT THE SAME, your multiculturalism notwithstanding).
"Races assertions that Halal and Kosher are are not even close is not borne by the facts of even the most rudimentary research."
Rudimentary research is where you stopped.
"The details spelled out in Jewish law concerning the design of the knife and the cutting method appear to be important in preventing the animal from reacting to the cut. The knife must be razor sharp and free of nicks. It is shaped like a straight razor and it must be twice the width of the animals neck. The cut must be made without hesitation or delay. It is also prohibited for the incision to close back over the knife during the cut. This is called halagramah (digging) (Epstein, 1948).Not sure what you major malfunction is here. According to your FR page you're pretty bright, so either you are mentally on vacation on this issue, or you have some kind of muslim-sympathy guilt axe to grind in comparing Halal as "similar" to Kosher.
The prohibition against digging appears to be important in reducing the animals reaction to the cut. Ritual slaughtermen must be trained in knife sharpening. Shochets have been observed using a dull knife. They carefully obeyed the religious requirements of having a smooth, nick-free knife, but they had failed to keep it sharp.
Observations of Halal cattle slaughter without stunning done by a Muslim slaughterman with a large, curved skinning knife resulted in multiple hacking cuts. Sometimes there was a vigorous reaction from the animal.
Maybe you went native on your assignments, maybe you had to cultivate muslim friends to do your job over there, and you're having guilt trips when you read criticism of islam.
Let this kosher Jew (who has worked with muslims in the food industry) set you straight regarding "similarity":
Your Pope wears a little beanie on his head when he prays "similar to" what I wear as a Jew when I pray, and also "similar" to what many jihadi scum wear when they blow up soldiers and civilians.
It doesn't mean your Pope is Jewish, or that I am Catholic, or that the jihadis are anything except bloodthirsty savages who will eventually try to cut your freaking head off even while you cry "but I defended Halal by saying it was just like Kosher!"
Wake up, pal. You did your duty and everyone's proud of you. Don't blemish it with an ignorant defense of islam as "similar"... We are here to bury islam, not to praise it...
If I had your attitude, my last mission would have failed miserably. Don't presume to tell me that I'm blemishing my service by not jumping on your bandwagon. And don't put words in my mouth by pretending that I'm somehow defending Islam.
For charity's sake, I'll admit that for someone like me, with my personality, doing CA work, the temptation to "go native" is there. My own faith was a strong bulwark against it. I don't believe Islam is the correct religion, by no means. But I've also met scores of Muslims who, within their own framework, try to live their lives and do right and good. I don't see how being needlessly antagonistic to every aspect of their faith fights the fanatics or the jidhadi butchers.
To put things in perspective when I was downrange, I had Muslims agree WITH American opposition to the WTC mosque. People aren't stupid and they realized why a lot of Americans were against it. But nothing set back my efforts like Terry Jones burning the Koran. The former was a principled fight against insensitive Muslim propaganda, the latter needlessly antagonistic. As an aside they were utterly flabbergasted that anybody could burn any religious book they wanted.
As I mentioned earlier, my mistake was posting to this thread in the first place.
Good luck burying a billion people. Let me know how that turns out.
Actually the article and thread are pretty much straightforward. The article seeks to "warn" people that halal food might have been offered to Allah. Might have the operative word, that's not a requirement for many Muslims as I understand it. The same complaint has been raised by white supremecists in the US over Kosher food, in fact back in the 70 it was derided as a Kosher tax on all Americans, easily debunked long ago and relegated largely to hate sites.
Why, likely misunderstanding, you turned that into an equivalency between Halal and Kosher, indicating that Halal meat was Kosher, which is simply, proveably false. My opinion only, but you probably should have left it alone when the facts were made clear to you. Halal slaughter isn't Kosher at all.
Yehuda makes a good comparison when he alludes to the "kipa" worn by Priests. However he leaves out the "talit". In fact, though I know it's a cross, I could speculate that there's a Torah Yad around the Pope's neck, under the "talit".
There are many surface similarities between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but that's quite different than equivalencies in meaning.
A shorter version, Halal meat is not Kosher, many Muslims would consider Kosher meat Halal.
“Don’t presume to tell me that I’m blemishing my service by not jumping on your bandwagon. And don’t put words in my mouth by pretending that I’m somehow defending Islam.”
To me, the thread seems like a tempest in a teapot. I think we (meaning conservatives) are right in fighting our governments’ (fed, state, local) attempts to appease Muslim special interests acting unfairly e.g. allowing Muslim official prayer while ignoring or decrying official Christian prayer, naming Muslim holy days while secularizing Christian Holy days, etc.
But this case is a private business oferring a specific product to a specific group of people. Shouldn’t Muslims living in the USA be able to purchase food prepared in accordance with their religious beliefs, especially if vendors are freely willing to do so?
Do you, or you Yehuda believe there is no Halal meats to be had in Israel? That no supermarket carries it? That secular, non-kosher keeping Jews never eat it?
Accepted and no worries.
you are an idiot.
There, I said it
IT IS ABOUT SUBMITTING TO ISLAMIC SENSITIVITES!
Did you understand it that time??
jjm2111, I take back my apology, You’re either illiterate (see Sjackson’s above) or a moron or a first rate islam butt licker. Enjoy your jihad pass (they don’t last forever).
LOL Race. I’m not going to sink to name-calling. Not everyone agrees with you. Enjoy your weekend.
Name calling all around. Does graciousness even exist these days? I don’t agree w/ you or SJackson or Race so I must be some sort of jihadi fifth columnist.
I’ve done my bit for this country twice, not to mention all of the stateside reserve b.s. between deployments. I believe I’m entitled to an opinion.
You are already at the bottom, you dont even know there is an up.
At least I know I went down...
...and the reason for that verse is given in the next few verses.
It is not a command to not eat any food sacrificed to idols; it is a command not to do so in the presence of a brother who brings up the subject, because the weaker brother has a weak conscience about the matter. The weaker brother would be tempted to sin if he ate the meat, and therefore, the stronger brother, out of love, even though his conscience does not prick him, abstains from eating the meat.
That is why Paul says “Eat anything that is sold in the marketplace without questions of conscience, 10:26 for the earth and its abundance are the Lords. “
My wife forwarded this to me. I wrote an article in my blog about it. In summary of that article, there is no need to fear. The problem with eating meat sacrificed to idols went away at the cross.
See 1 Corinthians 8.
If you are still in fear of this, then my suggestions is dont buy it.
Then you are calling Paul a liar, who specifically said to nt eat meat offered to idols for the sake of the conscience of the unbeliever
1Cor 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
1Cor 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth [is] the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof:
1Cor 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another [man’s] conscience?
1Cor 10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
1Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
I can’t eat lamb. had my gallbladder out and it is tooooo greasy for me, I will keep paying attention about all of this
Might be kind of fun to put all those stickers on the pork products.
ALL Butterball turkeys are halal now, you heard that last month, right?
I was born and raised in the Middle East specifically Lebanon. Where I went to a Christian school and used to recite the prayers and listen to our teachers reading from the Bible. I also have had a lot of Christian friends and neighbors whom I spent a lot of time with, had dinners and lunches with, had a lot of open discussions about religion, celebrated Christmas and Easter with.
Let me tell you something Allah and Ilah are Arabic words of God. And that is the word that Ive heard from all the Christians that I knew my whole life and read in the Arabic bible with my own eyes. On top of that, in the Aramaic language which was the language that Jesus spoke, the word Alaha means God. In the Hebrew language its Elohim and Eloah. So as you notice Allah, Ilah, Alaha, Elohim, and Eloah, they all mean God.
Please check this site http://www.learnassyrian.com/aramaic/church/church.html
As to halal slaughtering, the word halal means permissible. And halal slaughtering consists of using a well-sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, windpipe, and jugular veins to cause the least amount of suffering to the animal. Allah’s name must be pronounced during slaughter (bismillah Allahou Akbar) which means in the name of God and God is the greatest.
In the Middle East Muslims eat from Christian butchers and Christians eat from Muslim butchers because over there halal (permissible) is the only way of killing the animals. It has nothing to do with sacrificing the animal to Allah.
Sacrificing to God is a whole different thing which we do when celebrating the sacrifice holiday which commemorates the story about the prophet Abraham when he was asked to sacrifice his son. The story that is written in the Bible as well as in the Quran.
One last thing, believe it or not Muslims believe in Jesus and the Virgin Mary. There is a whole chapter in the Quran under the title of sourat Maryam (Maryam is the Aramaic and Arabic word of Mary) and it tells the story of sitna Maryam (our lady Maryam) thats how Muslims call her how she got pregnant without being touched by a man and how she was mistreated by people How she gave birth in Jerusalem, how Yeshua or Issa alayh el salam (Jesus peace on him) talked to people when he was an infant and all the miracles he did... We even name our kids Maryam and Issa up till nowadays. We also believe that Jesus will come back to live 40 years on earth before the Day of Judgment.
Well of course there are some differences in some believes between the Christians and Muslims but this is not our subject here.
N.B It is well known that Christianity is the religion of love and forgiveness. Thats what was Jesus known for. People need to open their hearts and minds, accept others, and respect them.
I'll just cut it up with some pork loin and make a nice stew.
“One last thing, believe it or not Muslims believe in Jesus and the Virgin Mary.”
Sure, demons in Hell “believe” in Jesus and the Virgin Mary.
Islam denies the Crucifixion and His Resurrection, which is the core of Christianity.
Without Crucifixion and Resurrection, you have nothing. You seem like a nice guy. Many, many Muslims are nice guys. But your religion is false. Allah is not God and Mohamed was not a prophet.