Posted on 04/22/2011 10:16:29 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
Hawaii state officials have repeatedly confirmed President Obama's birth in Honolulu, and his Hawaiian birth certificate has long been made public. Yet doubts about where Mr. Obama was born persist among a segment of Americans, despite all factual evidence.
A New York Times/CBS News Poll released on Thursday found that 45 percent of Republicans think that Mr. Obama was born in another country, while 33 percent said he was born in America.
Several states are now considering bills to require presidential candidates to provide certified proof that they were born in the United States before they can appear on the ballot. Arizona's governor vetoed the bill there, but Oklahoma lawmakers and those in Georgia are moving forward with similar legislation.
What drives this kind of false political belief and why is it so hard to dispel?
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
We'll see this material all over the place.
Racial Resentment at Its Root - David O. Sears, psychologist, U.C.L.A.
No Winning This Argument - James T. LaPlant, political scientist
A Matter of Motivated ‘Reasoning’ - David P. Redlawsk, political scientist, Rutgers University
Our Populist Birthright - Mark Fenster, professor, University of Florida
The Echo-Chamber Effect - Nicholas DiFonzo, psychologist
Echoes of McCarthy - Jerrold M. Post, political psychologist
Conspiracy Theories in Politics - Michael Barkun, political scientist
This “debate” is over before it even begins, or rather it begins with the assumption that “birthers” are crazy, paranoid, right-wing bigots and proceeds fairly from then on.
“Flack over the target”
Love the analogy. Made me chuckle for at least a good 3 minutes.
Professor Charles Rice on Obama’s ‘eligibility’
Good article and a solution for we the people to get the answers that demand an answer.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/110227
And we have repeatedly requested actual proof like the real birth certificate.
Hawaii doesn't want to bring into question THOUSANDS of bogus COLBs created over the decades for people who are not really citizens.
At one time all you had to do was go down to the local courthouse and have them issue one based solely upon your representation of the facts.
Nothing else.
“What drives this kind of false political belief and why is it so hard to dispel?”
I don’t know maybe because Barry has spent over $1million fighting lawsuits so he won’t have to show his birth certificate, college records, passport records or selective service records. Not to mention splaining why he has a social security number from Connecticut.
Try $2,801,870.92 through 1st Quarter, 2011.
http://theobamafile.com/_associates/RobertBauer.htm#DisbursementsPerkinsCoie
“Hawaii state officials have repeatedly confirmed President Obama’s birth in Honolulu, and
his Hawaiian birth certificate has long been made public. “
Sigh...
Janet Okubo’s statements began as confirmation , but, as time went on ,
she became more guarded
and more lawyerly.
And unsure.
Chiyome Fukino’s statements have been poorly
and ambiguously worded at best.
She’s never provided a shred of documentation
to support her claims.
Nor has she demonstrated or been queried on any understanding
of the Constitution
or natural born citizen.
If this same situation existed with George Bush , the backgrounds
of both these women would
have been thoroughly examined by the media and the Democrats.
Their backgrounds rightly would have been dismissed as
extremely inappropriate ,
rendering them highly
unqualified to make Constitutional determinations.
Their attempts to fashion themselves as self appointed
Constitutional arbiters
and Supreme Court justices
would have made them national laughingstocks.
Chiyome Fukino’s background can truthfully be likened to an affirmative action law school graduate
who never passed the bar exam
declaring that they are
qualified to interpret an MRI scan.
If the birth certificate has been made public, what remains sealed by the state of Hawaii ?
As of today , the name of Barry’s birth hospital could still not be an
answer on Jeopardy.
*******
What about Colin Powell? Pro-Obama writers conveniently forget Colin Powell, the distinguished, highly respected former Secretary of State who many good people were trying to talk into running for president a few years ago. And he is black like Obama is black.
1. Why do I bring up the name of Colin Powell, born in New York City ?
2. Here's why: It has to do with the Obama long form birth certificate controversy.
3. If Colin Powell had run for president a few years ago, I believe that a lot of Americans would politely ask Powell to show us his birth certificate for this reason: As is widely known, Powell's parents were born in the Caribbean island of Jamaica.
4. We would want to look at Powell's long form birth certificate to merely make sure that his Jamaican parents were American citizens when Powell was born in New York City and not citizens of Jamaica.
5. It would have had nothing to do with racism or that Powell is black.
6. It had more to do with verifying that Powell's parents were American citizens at the time of Colin's birth.
7. And I wouldn't expect the respected and distinguished Powell going crazy like Obama has gone crazy when the public asked Powell to show us his long form birth certificate.
8. In fact, I believe that Colin would have been happy to show us his long form birth certificate so that he could put any question about his eligibility quickly to rest.
9. So those pro-Obama writers who continue to say that asking Obama to show the public his Hawaii long form birth certificate is a racist act are sick writers, because if the respected Colin Powell ever ran for president, we would also ask him to show us his long form birth certificate to verify that he was eligible to run for President of the United States. So there, you pro-Obama sick writers.
While NY long form certificates do list the birthplace of the parents, they do not identify their citizenship.
Exactly:
What Americans know for certain about this issue, is that there is something about Obama’s original birth registration its history of any amendments or alterations later made to it, which if they do not disqualify him Constitutionally as President, would in Obama’s own judgment more probably than not disqualify him electorially. Under the dominant leftist dogma since Watergate, even the appearance of impropriety would be a basis for impeachment, so the burden on clearing this up belongs with Obama.
This issue becomes more understandable when it is made clear that based on Hawaii law and regulations the information in a COLB is, as a practical matter, meaningless.
The reason that the COLB is meaningless is that there are three (3) levels of information at least in the HI birth records, including original registraation info, the INDEX of data extracted, and the info requested and issued in a COLB, which may quite readily not conform to the original registration nor have been validated by any objective evidence but which is typically based upon the current contents of the INDEX without disclosing prior changes or details of the original registration.
There are multiple and myriad ways in Hawaii in 1961 and since, that the original registration information may have been filed based upon an other than a “normal” hospital birth registration. From a standard hospital birth affirmation, to legally allowed “late registrations” including,“registrations of foreign born children of Hawaii citizens”; amendments and alterations of existing birth records, including to modify the existing record for ADOPTION which may include changing the birth fathers name on the original record. In consequence of these many variations, authorized by Hawaii statutes, regulations and policies, the original records may be SEALED and not thereafter subject to review at all. Information on the COLB from the modified or altered INDEX may not match in many instances the original registration information. Some original registrations do not require any third party verification but may be made on statement by a parent or other applying person, and if at all may be based on nothing other than a family bible entry.
But the most intriquing example of how a birth registration may have been made in Hawaii prior to 1972, is via a late birth registration (subject to later change or amendment) which at that time could be made solely at the discretion of the director of health on affidavit of a parent or guardian, possibly without any other confirming information. See: Hawaii code of regulations Public Health Regulations Chapter 8 former section 14. “Delayed Birth Registration” (”..additional evidence MAY [or may not] be required”). President Obama’s original Hawaii registration may well have been based on no more than an unverified statement by his mother or grandparents under then existing law. Making the COLB not only meaningless but materially misleading.
Whatever statutory legal presumptions may apply to a COLB under Hawaii law the simple truth is that due to the wide variety of manner and circumstances of registration, past lax evidentiary standards, potential for amendment and alteration such as by adoption, potential sealing of original records..and a COLB based only on Indexed data reflecting the revisions and nothing else.
A significant additional factor in continuing doubt as to Obama’s progeny is the unusual circumstance of no physician or hospital taking credit or being unequivocally named by Obama as his birthplace; and, as well, the seamy and facile way the MSM, such as the NYT resorts to and uses blatant deceit and unfounded nonsense to proclaim unfounded hearsay or rebuttable presumptions have already resolved this issue.
It was announced for sale on Wed, and has been #1 ever since.
Even the msm can't ignore a book that is a # 1 best seller.
Same ol' DNC Talking Points, equating the "Certification of Live Birth" to be the same as a "Birth Certificate", and "born in America".
The POINT is that the phony "Certification of Live Birth", which is a photo-shopped PROVEN phony document, is FAR from the argument that "Natural Born Citizen" is the REAL question, as his parents have yet to be shown on a Birth Certificate, and the Citizenship of BOTH BIRTH PARENTS has not been shown OR proven.
Party identification and racial resentment are perhaps the two most strongly held contemporary political attitudes. But one might protest, no authoritative sources associate Obama with foreign birth. Wrong. The New York Times and other mainstream media are not considered authoritative sources to most birthers, especially compared with many low-level conservative political operatives, or their like-minded social networks.
The NYT is certainly full of themselves! Weren't there a few published articles about a Kenyan-born Senator from Illinois? Perhaps not NYT, but not low-level journalism.
And anyone who considers NYT to be authoritative needs medication, especially when their comments are not provided with authenticated proof. They continue with their racism ploy to discount any objective questioning.
“What drives this kind of false political belief and why is it so hard to dispel?”
I think it’s the same thing that drives true belief. People want to believe bad things about things they don’t like. They also want to be right, and once invested can hold out against mighty hordes and whole armies of opposition.
A noble quality when reality agrees with you, and a sign of insanity when it doesn’t.
“What evidence????”
COLB, birth announcement, etc.
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