Skip to comments.Jury finds that Jones's protest would breach peace
Posted on 04/22/2011 4:24:18 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
DETROIT (WXYZ) - The jury has found that a proposed protest by Quran-burning pastor Terry Jones outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, the largest mosque in the United States, is likely to breach the peace and incite violence.
The jury has been debating since 3:30 p.m .Thursday. The main issue of the trial was whether or not Jones' main purpose was to say or do something that would incite violence.
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Now that we’re kicking the unions in the teeth I’m hoping we can get to a point where we attract some more conservatives to the state and solidify our grip.
Its a real sportsman’s paradise outside the cities.
I’m thinking my state is pretty rightward except for Philly. New York except for the 5 buroughs and a few perditionopolises to the north and west. Ohio beyond Cleveland.
Like the famous red-blue election map says. Geographically we’re a red nation with a few gangrenous areas of blue...where most of the people are clustered.
I am not optimistic.
Thank God for the Electoral College. They’ll have to pry it my cold, dead left hand, as my right hand will be holding a .45.
How can they complain about tying up traffic when Muslims are allowed to prostrate themselves several times a day in the street in front of a mosque?
Well, you know how sensitive they are...
The problems with the koran burning and the WTC Mosque
In all this argument of recent days, the most important fact of the matter has been obvious from the start, but is rarely spoken of by the media or the public.
Regarding the Florida koran burning, has anyone stepped back and listened to what people are saying in detail? The first thing a person will hear is how that Pastor has the Constitutional right to do what he is doing.
The next series of statements, however, are always the majority of statements made in these conversations, namely: It is the wrong thing to do, it is inciteful, it is a cult in Florida, muslims will hate us, it will endanger the troops, and, most importantly for this conversation: we are not at war against a religion, but extremists of that religion.
This is important because of the islamic world’s reaction to this Florida Pastor; namely, that the islamic world immediately protested the planned koran burning by condemning the entire country of the United States and marched and chanted promoting our deaths to cries of “DEATH TO AMERICA!”
The response by virtually all American politicians has been an apologetic tone, one where they immediately call for the koran burning to stop, observations that it IS inciteful and that the threats to Americans at home and American Troops abroad are not acceptable and that the safety of the American public are paramount in this case.
Their tone has been to cower in fear at these threats. Not one politician has stepped forward and exclaimed, “Islam is not being attacked by an entire country or an entire religion, Islam is only being attacked by a radical. Islam needs to remember we are not all against Islam and threats to our safety are wrong and inciteful and hate filled.”
Not one. They cower to the islamic world, refuse to hold them to the same standard of behavior as they insist from their own people, refuse to insist that the Pastor in Florida is an anomaly and that the United States is no threat to islam.
What they did was bow in submission to the sensitivities of the islamic world and deny the Florida Pastor his civil rights to speak out like an American.
The islamic world will not notice. They will riot anyways. It is identical to the cartoonists in Denmark. All it took was one cartoonist to make a cartoon of Muhammad and the entire islamic world was in the streets and threatening to kill anyone who makes a cartoon of Muhammad.
Theo Van Gogh made a movie about this islamic submission in Holland, and they killed him for making the movie.
The Florida Koran burning case is quite similar to the Ground Zero mosque case with some significant differences. In Florida, the Pastor must stop his koran burning or there will be violence across the globe, and in fact, even if he does stop, there will be violence across the globe due to him stating he wanted to burn korans. In New York City, the Imam who wants to build a mosque 2 blocks away from Ground Zero, he said on CNN that if we move the mosque or deny it’s construction, there will be violence across the globe.
In both cases, if we do not submit to islamic sensitivities, there will be violence across the globe, in fact, even if we do submit to islamic sensitivities, there will most likely be violence anyways due to the fact that we spoke of those things.
Free speech is threatened in Florida, and a new twist is happening in New York City, something that Israel has seen does not work, and that is LAND FOR PEACE.
The Ground Zero mosque is about LAND FOR PEACE. If we give islam the land to make a mosque, there will be peace. If we do not give islam the land, there will be violence.
Think this through people. In both of these cases, neither has anything to do with the original concerns people expressed. It is solely about whether we submit to islamic sensitivities or have violence.
It is about Islamic blackmail of the United States.
James Bancroft USMC 1977-1981
Same community where the public high school holds football practice at midnight to accommodate Muslims and Ramadan.
In the “Good and Welfare Clause”! Just ax Congressman John Conyers if you don’t believe me!
In fact, POINTING out that Christians are getting slaughtered, would probably be considered a "hate crime".
Why do you ask? Sharia Law is not subject to the US Constitution.
On the other hand, the Constitution may become subject to Sharia Law if things continue as they do in America.
“This is a Christian Nation....”
The Founders meant it to be that way, but they failed to state so in the Constitution.
They never imagined that 20th century US government would allow Islam to invade this country, unopposed.
wait.. what? he was *thinking* about protesting outside a mosque, and they put him in jail because the occupants of the mosque might get angry?
(just coming into this story... news to me)
ROTFL what an outdated question.
Well, Obama has stated that the US is *not* a Christian nation. In the same speech, he did say that the US is a muslim nation.
That's it in a nutshell. He was jailed because he refused to sign and pay for the $1 peace bond (think restraining order), which would have been acknowledgement that he was legally restrained from protesting. That, of course, is WILDLY unconstitutional - a violation of not only the USC but also of MI law as well.
The ACLU - yes, that ACLU - pretty easily sets aflame the state's case here, in their Amicus brief to the court - which the court then completely ignored.
It occurs to me that there are parts of the Qu’ran that directly incite violence. By this reasoning, a jury could plausibly find that publishing the Qu’ran should be banned.
Jones’s is not incorrect. If you’re referring to all the Joneses, possession is indicated by Joneses’.
Islam will not be unopposed if these professional money grubbing “churches “ wake up and fight for oxygen because the damned godless muslims will cut the throats of their “congregation” and blow up their “churches”.WAKE UP!!!
The jury has found that a proposed protest by Quran-burning pastor Terry Jones outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, the largest mosque in the United States, is likely to breach the peace and incite violence.Apparently the jury is familiar with Islam.
A Dearborn jury sided with prosecutors, ruling that Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp would breach the peace if they rallied at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn. They were briefly jailed for refusing to post a bond.
This is where she won a lawsuit to run bus ads offering help to Muslims in fear of their lives.
From the live blog
Dearborn police led Pastor Terry Jones out of the coutroom. He’s on his way to jail. Chaos as group of radicals yell at Jones supporter.
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 11:37:42 PM6:37 PM
Stunning. What a day. #terryjones
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 11:42:27 PM6:42 PM
Helicopters are still buzzing around above the Dearborn courthouse. Tight security around here. Livonia sent special response team to help.
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/23/2011 12:02:13 AM7:02 PM
Pastor Terry Jones was also ordered to stay away from Islamic Center of America of Dearborn for 3 years, unless mosque leaders say it’s ok.
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/23/2011 12:05:08 AM7:05 PM
Changing their mind, pastors Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp post $1 bond and have been released, Mayor just told me. They are free.
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/23/2011 12:49:44 AM7:49 PM
‘’I’m relieved that no one got hurt,’’ Dearborn Mayor Jack O’Reilly Jr. told me. #terryjones
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/23/2011 12:52:00 AM7:52 PM
Some Muslims in Dearborn call Quran-burning worse than 1,000 deaths, police chief testifies t.co
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:10:47 PM5:10 PM
Check out @Freep photo gallery of Friday prayers today at the Islamic Center of America, where Jones wants to protest. t.co
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:12:33 PM5:12 PM
Hundreds at Dearborn counter-rally plead for peace. Held near courthouse where jury is deliberating. t.co
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:13:51 PM5:13 PM
Court was just called back in session for a verdict. #TerryJones
by DearbornPatch via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:31:29 PM5:31 PM
Jury coming back in. #terryjones
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:33:00 PM5:33 PM
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:39:45 PM5:39 PM
A Dearborn jury sided with prosecutors today, determining that Pastor Terry Jones and his assistant would be likely to breach the peace.
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:41:38 PM5:41 PM
Judge Mark Somers will now determine the conditions of Terry Jones’ bond.
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 10:42:43 PM5:42 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Pastor Terry Jones and his assistant are going in jail after they both refuse to pay $1 cash bond. #terryjones
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 11:05:17 PM6:05 PM
Stunned, supporters of Pastor Terry Jones are asking: how could he be jailed before he even attempted to protest at mosque?
by nwarikoo via twitter at 4/22/2011 11:35:45 PM6:35 PM
“. . . guess this only applies to liberals.”
Liberals & Muslims.
Correct. They wanted JOnes to post a $100,00 peace bond. As if Jones could do that.
So he opted for a jury.
Jury said no march.
But what I don’t understand is why the Judge determined Jones should pay a bond of $1.00?
Jones refused - so he was arrested.
All in all - the muzzies scored a huge victory today.
At the end of Fridays hearing, Somers ordered both Jones and Sapp to stay away from the mosque for three years an order that drew gasps and shouting in the courthouse.
The pair were tried under a rarely used law originally passed in 1846 that requires those who are likely to breach the peace to post peace bonds.
Nobody expected this, Charlie Langton, a lawyer and legal analyst, said of the judges decision to jail Jones and Sapp. It is prior restraint, but the judge followed the letter of the law. Its purely legal because its never been challenged.
At the Islamic Center, a cheer went through the crowd of 100 after police initially announced the jailing.
Thats what should happen when people say they are going to break the law, said Neda Kardri, 29, of Dearborn.
Oh. I see. Jones was arrested BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO BREAK THE LAW. Not that he did - no sir. But becausae of some 150 year old law - he was arrested because of what he might do.
The pair were tried under a rarely used law originally passed in 1846 that requires those who are likely to breach the peace to post "peace bonds."
IANAL, but if the judge had offered me a choice of “judge, or jury” I’d have declined to choose, just to be on the safe side.
Otherwise they can say it’s a kangaroo court he “chose.”
How can a jury and court be convened to find a “guilty verdict” before any action happens?
This jury was set up on thursday?
Inciting violence means directing people TO violence, not being willing to suffer from people’s violence to YOU!
Sounds like it should be!
I am assuming this will be appealed? Anybody know?
Life imitates art.
which goes to show, we’re not longer a nation of laws... just a nation of cute guidelines that will be inflicted upon the political enemies of the ruling party
so much for upholding the Constitution. their word is sh*t. treat them accordingly.
WOnder if they would restrain muslims for the same kinds of protests.
Seriously doubt it. They’d probably demand the church stop holding services.
This is a repeat of the Illinois Nazis v. Skokie from the 70’s. Just replace religion of peace with Holocaust survivors in that case. It’s basic constitutional law that even a 2nd year law student would know.
It’s a prior restraint on free speech and I hope Dearborn has a good municipal insurance policy because they are going to owe Pastor Jones a lot of money when this gets overturned. For once I actually agree with the ACLU (and I can’t believe I’m saying that.)
Here’s a prior restraint case that’s similar to the current one...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie
Obama said this is NOT a Christian nation. You must have missed the speech.
You have Free Speech ... to the extent that it doesn’t offend people who will get violent with you. Then you’re “inciting” and you have no Free Speech.
If our free speech is limited by the sensibilities of others, then we have no free speech.
Have police go with the guy. Protect him. Let him have his First Amendment rights. Move on.
Where’s the ACLU on this one? Isn’t this exactly the type of case they hop in when it’s a leftist kook doing Piss Christ?
The ACLU filed an Amicus brief with the court earlier today. Also, I understand that both men will now be represented by the ACLU in their appeal. Unfortunately, the men represented themselves today. That was a mistake.
From what I understand, on several occasions, the trial judge asked if they would like to object, which would have preserved certain issues on appeal. Either they didn't understand the importance of such objections, or they didn't care. In any event, those errors will make it a bit more challenging for the ACLU. But still, it would be WILDLY unlikely these men don't prevail - either in state or, or eventually in federal court.
One of the Detroit TV stations is reporting that the ACLU will be representing both men in their appeal - FWIW.
I suspect it's likely we'll see an appeal, and later a civil action filed against Wayne County.
Either is considered correct, but Strunk & White prefer Jones's (or did when I was in school).
This is a Christian Nation....
The Founders meant it to be that way, but they failed to state so in the Constitution.
Then exactly what "Lord" were they talking about when they SIGNED AND SEALED The Constitution using THIS language (IN The Constitution)?
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names...
Lawsuit City . . . some nice $$$ for deprivation of Constitutional rights
This is really unbelievable.
The two groups that the left-wing will want to lock you up if you speak against them are Islamists and homosexual perverts.
Perverts, terrorists and democrats... perfect together.. oh my!
The Muslims are expected to react as if they are without responsibility for their own actions