Posted on 04/22/2011 7:44:27 PM PDT by willk
Most people can speak for themselves!
Being an "Asker" is the way to turn the table on the liberal media.
It it beyond dispute that Obama is hiding his birth certificate. Not even the most liberal journalist can deny that and nobody can be ridiculed for claiming that. More importantly, the American voter can easily embrace that fact.
It is extremely easy to paint the enablers of Obama's deceit .... for whatever reason Obama wants to deceive .... as "HIDERS" .
The problem with the so-called "Birther" issue is that the "Born in Kenya" hype puts all it's eggs into one, single theory in regards to WHY Obama is hiding the birth certificate and that just happens to be a theory that 75% of American voters simply do not buy and consider "tinfoil hat" stuff.
Poll: One in four Americans think Obama was not born in U.S.
General elections are not won by dogmatically trying to cram your favorite theory (and that is all the "Born in Kenya" stuff is .... a theory) down America's throat even if 75% of America does not buy it.
Hypothetical example:
Candidate John Edwards was caught secretly sending money to a woman. Why?
"She is a KGB agent like Ana Chapman and he is funding a KGB spy ring to help his KGB masters. John Edwards is guilty of treason and America needs to know."
Four months later: "Seventy five percent of America is not buying the KGB theory and the liberal press is having a field day ridiculing us. Could there be another reason for the behavior?"
"NO! The woman is a KGB agent."
"Maybe she is his mistress and he is paying her off?"
"NO! SHE IS A KGB AGENT!"
"She recently gave birth. Maybe John Edwards is paying her because that is his illegitimate child."
"NO! NO! NO! SHE IS A KGB AGENT AND HE IS A TRAITOR!"
"Look, 75% of the American voters simply do not buy the KGB theory."
"KGB! KGB! KGB! TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!"
That's not the way to win an election, folks.
The discussion get turned 180 degrees by the liberal media from "John Edwards is a slimebag" to "John Edward's opponents are a bunch of tinfoil hat kooks" and 75% of all American voters ignore the slimebag and focus on the tinfoil hats.
Our goal should be to ensure that Obama is NOT reelected in 2012. That goal will be hurt by trying to cram the "Born in Kenya" theory down the throats of the 75% of all voters that want no part of it.
In my opinion, the "Born in Kenya" theory has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese factory. More importantly, 75% of all American voters simply ain't gonna buy it and beating them over the head with it only helps Obama paint the oppositions as obsessed kooks.
In my opinion, what is Obama hiding?
1.) That his birth was officially registered as "illegitimate" and his mother was listed as "Single". (Obama, Sr. was already married and polygamy is illegal in the U.S. Nobody has ever seen the marriage license or divorce decree of Obama, Sr. and Staley Ann Dunham.)
2.) That Obama, as an illegitimate child, was born with the name of Barry Dunham. Obama is therefore hiding a "white" surname given at birth that blows the entire "Dreams of my Father" hype out of the water.
Is that highly embarrassing?
You betcha.
What have Obama's lawyers specifically argued in Court when they have defended Obama's legal right to keep the documents hidden?
They have argued that the release would be "embarrassing" and the Courts have agreed.
Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to refuse to release "embarrasing" information?
Yes.
Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to cover up an illegal act such as ineligibility for the office of POTUS?
No.
Thus the Court have dismissed arguments that Obama is ineligible for office but, at the same time, have told America that it has no more right to see his birth certificate than America has a right to see your medical record.
Switching the debate from "Birther" to "HIDERS", is a winning strategy.
It switches the debate 180 degrees from "tinfoil hat kooks" to "What are you hiding and why are you hiding it?"
The continued insistence on forcing the cod liver oil of the "Born in Kenya" theory down the unwilling throats of 75% of all voters will bring nothing more than continued ridicule which does absolutely nothing but help Obama get reelected.
I agree, the Kenya stuff is far fetched. However, Obama has not established he was born in Hawaii, and that residual birthplace doubt is what gives The People the right to insist the verification of the Natural Born Citizen requirement with the release of his Certificate of Live Birth.
Absent doubt about birthplace, there is no longer the Constitutional lever by which to pry the long form from the HI DOH. He may be found to have later comitted fraud, but that is a legal, not a qualification, problem. Is there any other item besides birthplace on the original Certificate that would disqualify Obama Constitutionally, save a date of birth after 1974?
Obama is an “AFRICAN” dontcha know.
And are you of the African Race...............
You are right on a couple of things but wrong on one BIG thing.
#1) Yes, you are right, some Americans have no problem (even those who do not like his policies) if Obama was born in Kenya or his his parent(s) were not Americans. But there are also Americans that think the government should step in and ban all hand-guns in the name of safety too. And there are Americans that believe in the fairness doctrine too. And some that think the UN trumps the US Congress. It’s the Constitution.
#2) You are wrong, this will not be an issue we run against Obama. This will be an issue that will be run against our own candidates who were in Congress and did nothing. Boehner comes to mind on this. Michele Bachmann’s statement “that settles it then” is why she’s already toast. So far, it is Sarah Palin and Allen West who have my vote.
#3) The issues we will be forcing Obama to face are his policy issues.
On the document that you posted on the part where it says "African race". There's nothing particular about that. If it had said "Nationality" it would be more meaningful.
It would not be anything strange to see Jesse Jackson's race or Allen West's race also be described on documents as "African" as well.
Sorry, I just took the weenies copy.
To me it says a lot. There is no such thing. Never has been, never will be. I guess I’m of the North American Race.
Find a document that claims “African” as a race. Anywhere
Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
Dang I got lost some where on the thread after that one LMAO!
The one you just posted, for starters.
I don't know how old you are or what region of the United States you are in but the African-Americans have adopted new names for themselves and considered the prior names they adopted for themselves as "racist" and this adoption of a new name takes place every 5 to 10 years.
There was the decade of "Negro" then that became recist. Then the decade of "black" then that became racist, then the decade of African" then that became racist as it implied that they were not Americans so they changed it to "Black American" then the "black" part became racist so they changed it to "African-American" and I'm sure based on the pattern they will say that's too general as some African-Americans come from Kenya while others from Egypt so they will again probably change the name of their race to something else.
You disagree with the fact that they continuously change of the name of their race every 5 to 10 years?
Eligibility above all else. This is not a new issue or some kind of sour grapes deal. It began when Soetoro decided to run for president.
Why do you post another one of the MFMedia’s MEMEs, just like AGW, Libyan Freedom Fighters, Bank Bailouts, etc.,etc?
This MEME is as discredited as the everyone against us is a RASCIST and yet you cast dispersions on those asking for disclosure.
The LF Birth Certificate issue is huge and is the key to unlocking the whole bag of deceit that is BO’s history and does a great job of exposing the poseurs as well as outing the weak minded cowards.
I agree, the Kenya stuff is far fetched. However, Obama has not established he was born in Hawaii, and that residual birthplace doubt is what gives The People the right to insist the verification of the Natural Born Citizen requirement with the release of his Certificate of Live Birth. ….. Plutarch
The problem with putting all your eggs in the basket of one single, “far fetched”, "Born in Kenya" conspiracy theory is that such a conspiracy theory is a house of cards that comes crashing down if it is missing a single card. (Not to mention that 75% of all voters think that this particular theory is tinfoil hat, conspiracy kook material and that does nothing but help Obama.)
The “Born in Kenya Theory” folks have built a huge house of cards that is as complicated as a Rube Goldberg contraption but they are blind to or simply refuse to see two very important cards:
1.) The Courts
2.) The Privacy Laws
The fact of the matter is that multiple Courts have reviewed the issue and have dismissed the eligibility complaints.
"But .... but .... but .... how can that possibly be if I, (fill in your name here), have not PERSONALLY, seen the proof?"
Very simple: Privacy laws.
Some of the same individuals who openly brag that they would go to jail rather than tell a U.S. Census interviewer how many toilets they have in their house are now insisting that that they PERSONALLY have the right to see Obama’s private information.
Barack Obama does not have to prove anything to you or to me or to Donald Trump. Obama only has to prove something to a JUDGE.
Let’s go back to the John Edwards hypothetical example in my Post 42:
Edwards is sued by somebody who claims he is ineligible to be President because he is guilty of treason because he is funding that woman they are convinced is a KGB agent.
Edwards’ lawyer requests to have a meeting with the Judge, in chambers. There, all the evidence is laid out before the Judge: The woman is NOT a KGB agent. She is John Edwards’ mistress, who had his illegitimate child.
Judge: “Mr. Edwards, your wife was dying of cancer while you were getting another woman pregnant. Have you no shame?”
Edwards’ lawyer: “Your Honor, my client freely admits to the Court that his morals are lower than a snake’s belly. Be that as it may, the Privacy Laws protect my client’s rights, the mother's rights and the child's rights to withhold this information from the general public.”
Judge: “You are correct. The case will be dismissed without comment.”
So it is with Obama. As I wrote in Post 42:
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Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to refuse to release "embarrassing" information?
Yes.
Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to cover up an illegal act such as ineligibility for the office of POTUS?
No.
Thus the Court have dismissed arguments that Obama is ineligible for office but, at the same time, have told America that it has no more right to see his birth certificate than America has a right to see your medical record.
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Obama’s lawyers requests to have a meeting with the Judge, in chambers. There, all the evidence is laid out before the Judge:
Judge: “So, the ‘Barry Dunham’ on this birth certificate is the person who used the name Barack Obama during his Presidential campaign. ”
Obama’s lawyers: “Your Honor, my client freely admits to creating a “stage name” and a “Dreams of My Father” hype to get elected President but that is not against the law. The information on this long form is embarrassing to our client and the Privacy Laws protect my client’s rights to withhold this information from the general public”
Judge: “You are correct. I also see that his parents were never married because his father was already married to a wife in Kenya. His birth is therefore listed as “illegitimate”. It is highly embarrassing and your client is, indeed, protected by the Privacy Laws. The eligibility argument will be dismissed and the long form birth certificate will remain sealed.”
Absent doubt about birthplace, there is no longer the Constitutional lever by which to pry the long form from the HI DOH.
So, we do what?
Keep beating the drum of one single conspiracy theory that 75% of America rejects thereby making all conservatives look like tin-foil hat conspiracy kooks?
That only helps Obama get reelected.
The legal fact of the matter is that the general public has no more legal right to “pry the long form from the HI DOH” any more than the general public has a legal right to “pry our medical record from the U.S. Navy” to see if you or I got a raging case of gonorrhea after our port call at Subic Bay back in 1982.
Legally, the Privacy Laws protect Obama from releasing “embarrassing information”. That is exactly what his lawyers have argued in Court and that is exactly what the Judges have agreed with.
Legally, by law, we cannot “pry” anything for general public release.
We can, however, play the media game intelligently, like the Left has done.
As I wrote before, switching the debate from "Birther" to "HIDERS", is a winning strategy. It switches the debate 180 degrees from "tinfoil hat kooks" to "What are you hiding and why are you hiding it?"
Obama: "I do not have to release anything."
"We are just asking a simple question, Mr. President. What are you hiding and why are you hiding it?"
Obama: Evade, evade, evade.
"We are just asking a simple question, Mr. President. What are you hiding and why are you hiding it?"
Obama: Evade, evade, evade.
"Are you hiding that you lied about something, Mr. President? If you lied about that, what else are you lying about?"
Obama: Evade, evade, evade.
Rinse and repeat as often as necessary.
So the very document I portend as a fraud, you cite as an example....
Circular logic goes nowhere.
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