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Two US soldiers killed in Iraq
Dawn.com via AFP ^ | April 23rd 2011 | AFP

Posted on 04/23/2011 12:09:35 PM PDT by Cardhu

BAGHDAD: Two American soldiers have been killed during a mission in southern Iraq, the US military said on Saturday.

The fatalities raised to 4,450 the number of US soldiers who have died in Iraq since the 2003 US-led invasion to oust Saddam Hussein, according to an AFP tally based on data from an independent website.

“Two US service members were killed yesterday (Friday) while conducting operations in southern Iraq,” the military said in a statement without giving any other details.

Sixty members of the US military were killed in Iraq in 2010, according to icasualties.org, by far the smallest number since 2003.

Less than 50,000 US troops remain in the country, but a security agreement between Baghdad and Washington requires that they be withdrawn by the end of 2011.

The latest casualties came the same day as the top American military officer said on a visit to Baghdad that Iraq has just “weeks” to decide if it needs US troops to stay beyond the year-end deadline.

“It (talks) needs to start soon, very soon, should there be any chance of avoiding irrevocable logistics and operational decisions we must make in the coming weeks,” Admiral Michael Mullen said at a news conference at the US military’s Victory Base Camp on Baghdad’s outskirts.

Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said no request had been made by the Iraqi government for any American troop presence beyond 2011, and his remarks reiterated those of US Defence Secretary Robert Gates on a visit two weeks ago.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has named security as one of his top priorities, but his unity government remains deadlocked over appointments to key security portfolios.

Maliki has also told the American visitors that Iraqi forces were up to the task of ensuring security.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deaths; iraq; ussoldiers

1 posted on 04/23/2011 12:09:37 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

Can we get the hell out of that sewer of a nation yet?


2 posted on 04/23/2011 12:13:52 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke

I agree. But we’d better get out of Afghanistan first.


3 posted on 04/23/2011 12:15:07 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Cardhu

Prayers.


4 posted on 04/23/2011 12:19:32 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: unkus

AP have just reported that a Nato helicopter was shot down in Afghanistant and with one dead. The Taliban have claimed they shot it down.


5 posted on 04/23/2011 12:27:41 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
The latest casualties came the same day as the top American military officer said on a visit to Baghdad that Iraq has just “weeks” to decide if it needs US troops to stay beyond the year-end deadline.

Iraq has said "no" to this before.

Why is the US persisting?

Prayers up for the troops' loved ones and for the peaceful repose of their souls.

6 posted on 04/23/2011 12:31:03 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: KantianBurke
Can we get the hell out of that sewer of a nation yet?

How much longer are you here for?

Didn't that sandstorm suck yesterday?

And the incoming lately....isn't that a nuisance?

7 posted on 04/23/2011 12:34:12 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra

You are right and Maliki cannot request that they stay as Moqtada al-Sadr has threatened to bring down his government and wage war against the Americans.


8 posted on 04/23/2011 12:41:41 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

Just heartbreaking. NO words, just prayers.


9 posted on 04/23/2011 1:01:57 PM PDT by FES0844
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To: Cardhu

My son is celebrating his 28th birthday today in Baghdad.

My heart goes out to the loved ones of these patriots who have given it all for us.

Prayers up.


10 posted on 04/23/2011 1:04:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You say your'e conservative, but you support liberals. Should I believe your words or your actions?)
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To: Allegra

You would know better then anyone on this site. Can democracy work in either of these places now that Sharia law is the ruling law of these countries?


11 posted on 04/23/2011 1:38:31 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: EternalVigilance
My son is celebrating his 28th birthday today in Baghdad.

Happy birthday to him.

I'll say an extra prayer for him.

Thank you for raising one of the good guys.

12 posted on 04/23/2011 1:42:42 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra

Thanks. He really is. I’m very proud of him, and all of those he is serving with.

Thank you for all you’ve done.


13 posted on 04/23/2011 1:45:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You say your'e conservative, but you support liberals. Should I believe your words or your actions?)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
You would know better then anyone on this site. Can democracy work in either of these places now that Sharia law is the ruling law of these countries?

Iraq doesn't have Sharia law, although their constitution does state that no law shall conflict with Islam.

It also states that people are free to practice whatever religion they choose, but recognizes Islam as the majority (dominant) religion.

That's all loosely interpreted, I guess. Alcohol is legal here, but some Shia-dominated areas are forbidding it.

Women don't have to cover up (by law) and are allowed to vote and hold public office - and they do. Plenty of women here dress just like we do, but then you also see the abaya. Young Iraqis listen to hip-hop and embrace all things American while there are others who still resent the heck out of us.

It remains to be seen whether the democracy will take hold. Most of the people want it, but there are always the factions that want to make trouble.

Muqtada al Sadr's group wants to turn Iraq into another Iran. But most Iraqis are vehemently opposed to that.

Prime Minister Maliki is too friendly with Iran and the populace here in Iraq is getting more and more frustrated. Demonstrations against the government are becoming more frequent in provinces all over the country. (You've got to love that a little - since they did not dare do anything like that before.)

There have also been lively protests against any suggestions of Wahabbi-ism and any other oppressive style of government.

So, we'll see in the next couple of years if Iraq is finally strong enough to stand up and be truly free. They have the tools and they've had good guidance.

It's up to them now. I hope and pray they make it.

14 posted on 04/23/2011 1:53:39 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Cardhu

Most didn’t want to get into this nation building nonsense; especially since we seem to be bearing the brunt of the costs.


15 posted on 04/23/2011 1:59:29 PM PDT by mcshot (The GREATEST GENERATION would not tolerate this bastardization of our Republic.)
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To: Cardhu
Mean while the drones that should be helping them are flying over Libya for obummer and his best friend juan mccain.
16 posted on 04/23/2011 2:29:53 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Allegra

What the heck are you talking about keyboard commando? Most of us want OUT of Iraq - an ungrateful nation that has cost us innumerable lives and treasure. The sooner we’re out of there the better.


17 posted on 04/23/2011 2:43:16 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke
What the heck are you talking about keyboard commando? Most of us want OUT of Iraq - an ungrateful nation that has cost us innumerable lives and treasure. The sooner we’re out of there the better.

I suppose I should be asking you the same thing. Project much?

Who's "us?" Who's "we?" You keep saying that.

That implies that you are here.

So, who's really the keyboard commando?

I'm typing this from Baghdad.

What part of the country are you in? All that "us" and "we" stuff drives me to ask.

18 posted on 04/23/2011 2:47:35 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: KantianBurke; Allegra

Oh boy, did YOU pick the wrong lady to pick a fight with.

Allegra, did you find a good source of Fruit Gummies over there?

I still remember you like them! :)


19 posted on 04/23/2011 2:53:45 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Cardhu

The liberation of Iraq has had other benefits too. Very likely the “Arab Spring” rebellions wouldn’t be happening now if Iraq hadn’t have become a democracy. Now other Arab countries are looking at Iraq and saying “Why not us? Why can’t we be free?”

There will always be risks, but I think the terrorist risk against the United States would be less with Arab democracies.


20 posted on 04/23/2011 2:54:02 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: EternalVigilance

I wish your son a very happy birthday - he is having a great adventure.

I remember my 18th birthday was in Rangoon, Burma to give them their independence.

I spent my early years giving away half the British Empire.


21 posted on 04/23/2011 3:03:49 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Allegra

The keyboard commando title fits. I somehow doubt YOU’ve had to lead any combat patrols. And I’m sure from your comfortable vantage point of Camp Victory things sure seem peachy. But back in this country, many, including members of our armed forces who have been deployed there ad nauseum, consider the occupation of Iraq as a never ending headache. Are you seriously suggesting that there is a strong majority of citizens who WANT to continue staying Iraq? By all means please elaborate!


22 posted on 04/23/2011 3:05:14 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: Cardhu

Thank you for your service!


23 posted on 04/23/2011 3:06:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You say your'e conservative, but you support liberals. Should I believe your words or your actions?)
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To: EternalVigilance

My youngest son is 28.

I just said a prayer for the Lord to watch over your son today and every day until he comes home safe to you.

We are grateful for his service.


24 posted on 04/23/2011 3:13:25 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: exit82

Thanks.

Matthew is my eldest.


25 posted on 04/23/2011 3:14:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You say your'e conservative, but you support liberals. Should I believe your words or your actions?)
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To: EternalVigilance

My eldest is Matthew as well—in his early 30s.

The name means “gift of the Lord”.

God bless your Matthew.


26 posted on 04/23/2011 3:21:16 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you EV but the reality was that we never took our service seriously - the hard part was when we have to get a real job.

We were always civilians at heart and just enjoyed cruising around on the Grey Funnel line without paying.

In those days we did not have six months tours but two and half year tours - so that gave us time to sample the good ladies of so many countries. When that was finished a few months at home you were eager to continue that delightful experience.

If there was any trouble we sent the Marine Band ashore, everyone loves martial music. Then we went to chat up the local ladies.

Everyone loves a free concert.

So much more civilised and certainly more effective than Hoo Haring, make a lot of noise and wasting a few million rounds shooting at bushes.

You don’t think we built an Empire with a few thousand men by been overly military - we would have been slaughtered.


27 posted on 04/23/2011 3:47:44 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: KantianBurke; Allegra
That's some pretty sad commentary to someone who has actively and willingly provided support to the troops forced to deploy to that hellhole.

Are you seriously suggesting that there is a strong majority of citizens who WANT to continue staying Iraq?

Perhaps not a majority, but I know for a fact that State Dept types want to remain (google "Enduring Bases").

YOU are attacking the wrong person.

28 posted on 04/23/2011 7:03:23 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Avoid arguments with your wife about lifting the toilet seat by simply using the sink.)
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To: Cardhu

RIP.


29 posted on 04/23/2011 8:21:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: EternalVigilance; Allegra

>> My son is celebrating his 28th birthday today in Baghdad.

Godspeed to your son, EV.

So many April babies. What’s up with that?


30 posted on 04/23/2011 8:26:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric
Godspeed to your son, EV.

Thank you very much.

So many April babies. What’s up with that?

Too long ago. Don't remember. :-)

31 posted on 04/23/2011 8:29:46 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You say your'e conservative, but you support liberals. Should I believe your words or your actions?)
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To: Sarajevo

When the prevailing military strategy is the will of the majority, the leadership has failed. When the prevailing strategy is to bolster the failing leadership, the majority must take a stand against the leadership.


32 posted on 04/23/2011 8:30:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: KantianBurke
The keyboard commando title fits.

Yes, it fits you well. "Armchair General" also comes to mind as a nickname for you.

I somehow doubt YOU’ve had to lead any combat patrols.

Point out where I said I did. When you have to attribute false ideology to someone, you have already conducted an epic fail in any attempt at whatever point you are trying to argue. Those tactics are more suited to the liberal forums.

And I’m sure from your comfortable vantage point of Camp Victory things sure seem peachy.

Again, you display your ignorance. Yep, I'm at Camp Victory now, but I've spent most of my seven years here elsewhere. I've been outside the wire more times than the amount of your functioning brain cells. And I suppose it is rather comfortable here. Indoor plumbing would be nice and things could almost be pleasant if the enemy weren't still trying to hit us regularly with mortars and rockets. But other than that, oh, yeah, it's sweet. (Easy for you to make stupid comments like that from the comfort of your home, isn't it? LOL)

But back in this country, many, including members of our armed forces who have been deployed there ad nauseum, consider the occupation of Iraq as a never ending headache.

Oh, yeah, I've heard of you Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R guys. Say "hello" to them for me, will you? A bunch of us FReeped them in 2003 and that was so much fun. Maybe you know some of them?

Are you seriously suggesting that there is a strong majority of citizens who WANT to continue staying Iraq? By all means please elaborate!

Sure. If you'll elaborate on where I suggested such.

Again, when you have to make things up, you have already failed miserably and you really don't have anything valid to defend whatever little point it is you're trying to make.

I suggest you dabble in something a little more aligned with your intellectual level, like building a Lego house.

33 posted on 04/24/2011 1:43:06 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra
You make some interesting points. Alcohol is a contradiction to Sharia law it is odd it is sold there, my first question is who is buying it?

but your first two lines suggest they are in a very weak form of Sharia law, kinda like how turkey or Syria is at the moment

Your post has got to be the most uplifting post I have read about Iraq in a very long time.

34 posted on 04/24/2011 2:15:23 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Alcohol is a contradiction to Sharia law it is odd it is sold there, my first question is who is buying it?

Oh, you'd be surprised at how many Iraqis I have seen partying it up with a little booze.

I've been on a couple of contracts here where we weren't under General Order #1 and the locals can put it away every bit as well as the Americans and Brits can. LOL

I've met Iraqis who are very devout Muslims and I've met plenty who were born into it, but don't practice it at all. (I've even seen them make fun of those who do.)

In the big cities, a lot of the locals openly embrace westernism. I can't speak for the small towns and villages since I haven't really been to any, but I hear they're more autocratic. That being said, a lot of young Iraqis from the rural areas head to Baghdad, Mosul or Basra when they come of age, both for work and to enjoy a more free lifestyle.

Iraq was secular under Saddam and I think most of them want to keep the secularism. I've had so many tell me "We do not want to be another Iran."

They're going to have to want that badly enough.

35 posted on 04/24/2011 2:29:02 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra
"I've met Iraqis who are very devout Muslims and I've met plenty who were born into it, but don't practice it at all. (I've even seen them make fun of those who do.)"

I am surprised those that are not practicing can make fun of those that do. That is fantastic and maybe the best thing that could happen.

Because what I have been reading the more devout the more dangerous.

36 posted on 04/24/2011 9:21:18 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Because what I have been reading the more devout the more dangerous.

From what I have observed, that is absolutely true.

37 posted on 04/24/2011 9:41:47 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra
"Because what I have been reading the more devout the more dangerous.

From what I have observed, that is absolutely true. "

Thank you
this backs up what I have been reading.

If Islam ever becomes more proficient at killing and converting a new crusades will be unavoidable

38 posted on 04/24/2011 3:57:06 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn; Allegra
Alcohol is a contradiction to Sharia law it is odd it is sold there, my first question is who is buying it?

When I was there, I was buying it from my snitches (Oh- did I admit that?) (I never was a fan of GO-1). A couple of my guys were regular boozers, and they always had access to the good liquor.

39 posted on 04/25/2011 8:44:16 AM PDT by Sarajevo (Avoid arguments with your wife about lifting the toilet seat by simply using the sink.)
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To: Sarajevo
GO-1 sucks.

When I depart on that flight out of Kuwait next month and the flight attendant comes to me and says, "Would you like something to drink?"

I will respond, "Why yes indeed, I would!"

They really need to start serving booze on the flights out of Baghdad.

40 posted on 04/25/2011 9:29:00 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra
Why wait for Kuwait??


41 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:02 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Allegra; Steve Van Doorn
Muqtada al Sadr's group wants to turn Iraq into another Iran. But most Iraqis are vehemently opposed to that.

Do you remember our discussions back in 2003-2004 about how "Mookie" al Sadr should have been taken out then? How al Sadr arranged the murder of pro-American Ayatollah al Khoi and His Excellency L. Paul Bremer proclaimed that al Sadr would be arrested and brought to justice, only to back down and slink away?

We all knew than when Bremer demonstrated he was only a "weak horse" that "Mookie" was going to be a major problem later. It appears he's just bided his time until we're about to leave, and Ayatollah Sistani's age has weakened his influence to starting making his move.

Oh, well, it was a noble effort! I'm glad you made it through safely and appreciate all the efforts you and your colleagues have made. You've earned a rest and some time back home in Texas. I believe I've seen a thread that the Texas Cowboy shoot planning is underway, so that'll be something look forward to! Travel safe!

42 posted on 04/25/2011 10:45:20 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat
The whole strategy of how the War on terror was waged has been a huge mistake. It should have been fought like wars that we won not like wars that we did poorly in.
Rule number one should have from the start, "define the enemy." To this day we will not recognize the enemy.
43 posted on 04/25/2011 1:38:19 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Siegfried X

There will always be risks, but I think the terrorist risk against the United States would be less with Arab democracies.

One word. Islam.

44 posted on 04/26/2011 7:29:31 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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