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Wonderful: Susan Collins opposes Paul Ryan’s budget
Hotair ^ | 04/22/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 04/23/2011 1:14:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Via the Hill, the key bit comes at the beginning. I could almost tolerate her willingness to gift-wrap a talking point for Democrats about how allegedly radical Ryan’s plan is if she had an alternative in mind. Instead, after paying lip service to the magnitude of our looming fiscal catastrophe, her big ideas for cutting spending are … eliminating ethanol subsidies and waste at the Pentagon. I’m almost disappointed that she didn’t mention earmarks and foreign aid too; if we’re going to go penny-ante by targeting unpopular expenditures that won’t remotely balance the budget, let’s go all the way.

She doesn’t say which parts of Ryan’s budget she objects to, but needless to say, she’s not in the Rand Paul camp of believing that it doesn’t go far enough. Realistically, either she thinks there should be a tax hike of some kind built-in or she has a problem with his Medicare reform scheme. Given these numbers from the Times, it might be both:

Something to mull while you watch: Why didn’t she just deflect the question? There are plenty of ways to do it. She could have said that she’s reserving judgment on Ryan’s plan until it actually comes to the floor, until the Gang of Six acts, until she hears from her constituents, etc etc etc. There’s a tiny spark of hope in the polls that the public’s willing to consider an ambitious program to reduce the debt. Why reject Ryan before you absolutely have to?



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; deficit; paulryan; rino; susancollins

1 posted on 04/23/2011 1:14:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Well slap me in the face with a porkchop! How’d I know Susan Collins wouldn’t like a Conservative approach?


2 posted on 04/23/2011 1:15:37 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: SeekAndFind

Not a surprise.


3 posted on 04/23/2011 1:15:48 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: SeekAndFind

No way! What’s next, Scott Brown not really being conservative?


4 posted on 04/23/2011 1:17:48 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: SeekAndFind
Susan Collins, a medical miracle-- no cerebral cortex whatsoever, yet she walks and talks just like a real person.
5 posted on 04/23/2011 1:19:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind

I need a reminder. Why is it necessary to give Republicans the majority by supporting rinos?


6 posted on 04/23/2011 1:20:20 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting. I could not find in the article where her plan was. She must have forgotten to mention it since I am sure she has one if she is going to bash Ryan’s plan.


7 posted on 04/23/2011 1:20:41 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (`)
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To: From The Deer Stand
Well slap me in the face with a porkchop! How’d I know Susan Collins wouldn’t like a Conservative approach?

Olympia Snowe is up for reelection. I wonder where she will stand. It has almost been a pattern that the one who does not have to campaign takes the liberal approach and the one who has to run get reelected takes the conservative approach.

I think they are tag teaming RINOS (or RINOES)

perhaps if Dan Quale is a Freeper he could help me out with that word

8 posted on 04/23/2011 1:21:50 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“yet she walks and talks just like a real person. “

You can say that after you’ve heard her speak?


9 posted on 04/23/2011 1:24:22 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: SeekAndFind

10 posted on 04/23/2011 1:28:01 PM PDT by twister881
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To: Daveinyork

Anyone who opposed ryans’ plan should immediately be asked “what is your plan?”.


11 posted on 04/23/2011 1:28:43 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: Yogafist
I need a reminder. Why is it necessary to give Republicans the majority by supporting rinos?

So that we can elect the majority leader and control the agenda in the Senate. the majority leader has a lot of power to bring or not bring items up for a vote. Like judicial nominations, etc. etc.

Some of the liberal republicans will get peeled off from our side, but we can peel some of the conservative democrats off from their side.

Actually the majority leader has great power to influence opposing party members to come over to his side or to control the weak sisters on his side.

12 posted on 04/23/2011 1:34:05 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: SeekAndFind
"but she did say that she would like to begin moving the government towards solvency by eliminating ethanol and farm subsidies as well as funding for an extra engine for the F-35 fighter jet."

I'm all for elimination of crappy ethanol gasoline. Ryan's proposals don't go nearly far enough.

13 posted on 04/23/2011 1:34:05 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

So big government liberals Obama, Trump and Collins oppose Ryan’s budget.

No surprise in that.


14 posted on 04/23/2011 1:34:13 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Barrrrf. Susan Collins. It’s almost not even news to see that RINO acting like a RINO. The democrats can have her as far as I’m concerned.


15 posted on 04/23/2011 1:37:24 PM PDT by DeskCaptain
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To: SeekAndFind
The NY Times polled "1,224 adults nationwide".

Not "likely voters", "registered voters", "eligible voters", "taxpayers" or even "US citizens". "Adults".

If you ask a lot of clueless people a question, you'll get a lot of stupid answers.

16 posted on 04/23/2011 1:38:37 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind
So there are a majority of idiots that inhabit the state of Maine. Susie is only representing her constituents. Dumb.$$e$... Sorry but I am NOT in the mood to continue year in and year out to read about the stupidity of people who continue to elect idiots.
17 posted on 04/23/2011 1:42:45 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: SeekAndFind

I firmly believe that the very small number of “leaders” today who are trying to save America fiscally will one day be viewed the same as the handful of Romans who tried against impossible odds to save the Roman Republic in its last days.

A noble but futile effort.


18 posted on 04/23/2011 1:44:12 PM PDT by jtal
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To: SeekAndFind

Why doesn’t she just do a Specter and declare herself a dimwit.


19 posted on 04/23/2011 1:53:44 PM PDT by Pietro
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To: SeekAndFind

We should just let the rats sink the ship, take all the blame and we can sweep everything in 2012


20 posted on 04/23/2011 1:55:20 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Yogafist

I was just getting ready to post basically the same type of thought. Exactly. There were those that absolutely screamed about Christine Odonnell winning the primary and losing the general. We heard, “if only Castle had won” (a rino if there ever was one) we’d have another seat etc etc. But yet here we have a prime example of why Castle was thrown out on his ear. Collins needs to switch parties...she’s a traitor and an example on just why we are in so much trouble.

/rant off


21 posted on 04/23/2011 1:58:41 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;..." Hosea 4:6)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell, I don’t Like Ryan’s plan either.


22 posted on 04/23/2011 2:00:57 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a

RE: Hell, I don’t Like Ryan’s plan either.

Could you please elaborate as to why?


23 posted on 04/23/2011 2:02:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: From The Deer Stand

Duh, there is not one thing in that budget that is conservative, hell it adds ten trillion dollars to the debt and not one department is reduced in size. Be sides that it is just show and tell anyway.


24 posted on 04/23/2011 2:07:08 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: SeekAndFind

Libertarianism is a loser. It was that way during the Reagan Presidency (which is why he rejected it), it was a loser during the Gingrich speakership, and it’s that way now.

I know seniors, and there are millions of them, who hate everything about the Democratic Party but keep voting for it because of fears about social security and medicare.

This sort of plan is exactly what the RINOs love: a grand, extreme gesture which has no chance of passing. They use constitutional amendments the same way. “Fake right, vote left[wing]”. Propose the extreme option which has no chance of passing, then when it is defeated give the Democrats 90% of what they want while telling conservatives “We tried”.

This whole budget-cutting thing was tried for 15 years of Reagan, Bush 1, and Gingrich. The Democrats raked us over the coals each and every election. We _DO_ need to cut budgets but it needs to be done carefully.

Rome wasn’t burnt in a day.


25 posted on 04/23/2011 2:15:40 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Siegfried X

I should add though that Collins should have shown enough party loyalty to keep her mouth shut until negotiations were over. I don’t understand in what way these RINO senators can be considered part of the Republican Party.


26 posted on 04/23/2011 2:17:59 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: SeekAndFind

neat as I can figure
- he still allows for approx. 3% a year growth
- his decade spending is projected to exceed tax revenues by about 8 trillion.
- his debt limit would rise to approx 23 trillion after 10 years.


27 posted on 04/23/2011 2:44:48 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a

So, like Rand Paul, you oppose Ryan’s plan because you believe it does not go far enough.

But I believe Collin’s opposition is because it goes too far.

Same opposition, different reasons.


28 posted on 04/23/2011 3:17:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Just mythoughts

Would 2 Democrats be better than 2 RINOs in Maine? We have 2 RINOs in Maine right now. I will not be voting for Snowe in November 2012. Snowe can be beaten by a tea party challenger if the tea party challenger is credible. But, I’m not entirely hopeful that a credible Conservative challenger will appear. There just aren’t too many credible, Conservative Republicans in Maine who are willing to directly challenge a Republican incumbent Senator with no help at all from the Conservative Republican Governor. Snowe and Collins are both roughly about as Conservative as Maine is. They pretty much vote for what most Mainers want. They’re both pretty popular with Mainers and both would win in November if they were the Republican nominee. They’re also both less popular with Republicans than Democrats, and Snowe would lose a Republican Primary if the Tea Party challenger was credible. A challenger who is not credible will not beat Snowe. Marginal kooks do like to run for office in Maine, and it’s certainly possible that Snowe runs in 2012 against a bunch of unknown wacky kooks. The “tea party” (whichever “tea party” gave $$$ to Christine) might have to do a substantial amount of work to find someone in Maine that is willing to risk their political career to run against a very well liked Republican. They might have to find someone who is not in politics. There is a pretty good chance of tea party fail in Maine. I hope not, because she would lose to a decent candidate with tea party $$$. I think a normal conservative person with a normal educational background, a normal job, and above average charisma would do it. But I don’t think that person is necessarily going to run for US Senate without being prodded by the tea party.
If there’s a Maine version of Christine O’Donnell, she’d beat Snowe.

So, I’m with you. I’ll likely be voting for a Democrat in Nov 2012 against Snowe. Top Dems aren’t planning on running against Snowe. Snowe’d likely win even if Conservatives vote for the Dem, just to get rid of RINOs, unless someone like Rosa Scarcelli runs.


29 posted on 04/23/2011 3:31:00 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Siegfried X

They’re on the ballot as Republicans.

Who do you think will run against Snowe in 2012 who is credible enough to beat her in the primary? Who would you like to see?


30 posted on 04/23/2011 3:33:49 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Outlaw Woman

It’s instructive to see who the screamers were. The screamers are no friend to conservatives. I’m in Maine and I won’t be voting for Snowe in 2012. No more RINOs.


31 posted on 04/23/2011 3:37:12 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Pietro

Specter knew he’d lose to Toomey, months or even a year or 2 before the Republican Primary.

Who is the Pat Toomey of Maine, who Snowe is so afraid of that she has to switch parties to avoid?


32 posted on 04/23/2011 3:39:28 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

No conservative would EVER vote for a Democrat. The option is to vote third party conservative, not Democratic.

Conservatives have been told time and time again that “a conservative can’t win in this state [so we the Republican Party leadership block all of them from running].” We were told that about Arlen Specter. But when a conservative finally gets a chance to run, they often CAN win.

The easiest way to settle the argument is to have a clean primary that gives the chance to vote for a conservative. If the RINO won a fair primary, conservative citizens would be much more likely to vote for him. That also would tell us that we are part of the party, instead of tools who are just used to vote for left-wing Republicans.


33 posted on 04/23/2011 4:06:18 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Siegfried X

If a teammate beats me fair & square for the starting job, then I’ll block for him. But if I get cheated out of my chance to even try for the job, then I’m not really part of the team.


34 posted on 04/23/2011 4:12:29 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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