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More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew (The Truthers, but Ben Smith can't read!)
Politico ^ | April 22, 2011 | Ben Smith

Posted on 04/23/2011 4:58:07 PM PDT by neverdem

I've been looking for a good analogue to the willingness of Republicans to believe, or say they believe, that Obama was born abroad, and one relevant number is the share of Democrats willing to believe, as they say, that "Bush knew."

There aren't a lot of great public numbers on the partisan breakdown of adherents to that conspiracy theory, but the University of Ohio yesterday shared with us the crosstabs of a 2006 poll they did with Scripps Howard that's useful in that regard.

"How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?" the poll asked.

A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was "very likely." Another 28.2% called it "somewhat likely."

That is: More than half of Democrats, according to a neutral survey, said they believed Bush was complicit in the 9/11 terror attacks.

I'm still not sure this represents actual belief, as opposed to a kind of trash talk about a president you hate. (Bush wasn't mentioned in that survey question, but had been earlier in the poll.)

It does, though, offer a bit of context to the suggestions on the left that mass insanity has beset the GOP.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911gwb; bush; certifigate; morons; presidentbush; ronpaulfreaks; truthers
The comments look like a gag. Here's the second:

Ben, find me ONE candidate even on the fringe of the Democratic party who was running on the believe that Bush was "in on it".... ONE. (by the way, no matter how you try to appear even handed even going so as to draw a false equivalence between Birtherism in GOP and Trutherism in Democratic party, in the eyes of your conservative readers you will always be seen as a liberal.....it's no longer about politics but culture and ethnicity)

But it gets better. When I checked the actual poll, it's the old numbers, IIRC.

There are also accusations being made following the 9/11 terrorist attack. One of these is: People in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to United States to go to war in the Middle East.

Answers: ( respondents)
Very likely 16%
Somewhat likely 20%
Not likely 59%
Don't know 5%

If your going to cite a link, you better check it!

1 posted on 04/23/2011 4:58:12 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They must be thinking of THIS incident which happened on CLintoon’s watch:

Rare 1993 News report showing FBI involvement in WTC Bombinghttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8931450018968737845#


2 posted on 04/23/2011 5:03:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: neverdem

And there is a big distinction between the two camps.

One believes George W Bush blew up the Twin Towers and was responsible for 9/11.

The other has questions of where Obama was born.

Huge difference.


3 posted on 04/23/2011 5:04:35 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: neverdem

He says he has the crosstabs for Dems. That could be different from the full poll results.


4 posted on 04/23/2011 5:04:56 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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To: neverdem

“or say they believe, that Obama was born abroad,”
__________________________________________________

Typical of the left, they focus only on place of birth, when that is only half of the puzzle.
We want to know where he was born, and the name/nationality of his daddy.


5 posted on 04/23/2011 5:05:24 PM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: neverdem

These people who believe that Bush knew about the WTC Bombing are the same stupid mental defectives who gave us a Muslim president.

I guess they were all happy to help the Muslims.


6 posted on 04/23/2011 5:06:26 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: neverdem
"Ben, find me ONE candidate even on the fringe of the Democratic party who was running on the believe that Bush was "in on it".... "

I could be way off base, but didn't Alan Grayson make such a claim? I think Cynthia McKinney also claimed as much.

7 posted on 04/23/2011 5:07:15 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: nhwingut

Nonsense! We all know Obama’s birth certificate was being held in a bunker under wtc7 which was blown up by Bush so that Obama could take Hillary out of the race to get back at her for taking all those W keys from the white house computers.


8 posted on 04/23/2011 5:07:24 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: BenLurkin

I would think if anyone knew; it would be the Clintons.


9 posted on 04/23/2011 5:09:27 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: neverdem

“Hello. I’m Ben Smith, and I’m a Useful Idiot.”


10 posted on 04/23/2011 5:09:37 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: neverdem

The problem within the Democratic Party was so bad during Bush’s administration that some Democratic blogs had to ban 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It was the first and only time they had to lock Democrats out of their own blogs, but the accusations that the US government allowed or even did 9/11 hurt the Democrats so badly that they censored themselves.


11 posted on 04/23/2011 5:16:32 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: neverdem

Every president faces conspiracy theories. It’s make-believe but a way of saying “I really, really don’t like you”.


12 posted on 04/23/2011 5:18:14 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: nhwingut
And there is a big distinction between the two camps.

The other big distinction between the two is that 9/11 & GW have been investigated throughly for 10 years by the press, Obama never has been.

13 posted on 04/23/2011 5:29:15 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: neverdem
The vast majority of 9/11 DUers fell into either the Bush
LIHOP - Let It Happen On Purpose
or
MIHOP - Made It Happen On Purpose
(Their shorthand for which camp you belonged to.)

The sane ones who realized that Osama was responsible were drowned out.

14 posted on 04/23/2011 5:34:07 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: submarinerswife

Obama’s intire life is a closed book. He closed it and has spent millions of dollars to make sure no one knows the truth.


15 posted on 04/23/2011 5:40:31 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: neverdem
Ben Smith is one of those non-thinking Democrats that doesn't comprehend that the need for the POTUS to verify his eligibility beyond reproach does not equate to one making the proclamation that the POTUS was indeed born abroad and is hence ineligible.
16 posted on 04/23/2011 5:42:01 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: nhwingut

Nonsense. Not everyone thinks Bush did it, just the simple fact that Gov’t always lies and that everything has not properly been explained and people punished for their lack protecting this country, ie Jamie Gorelick. Wall, etc.


17 posted on 04/23/2011 5:51:52 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: neverdem

Blah, Blah, Blah, what you said, Blah, Blah, Blah, so why won’t he release his long form birth certificate?


18 posted on 04/23/2011 5:57:56 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: neverdem

I know a guy who thinks Bush knew. I finally quieted him down by observing that had Bush been in on it, he would have handled it better. In order to slam Bush for how he handled it, he sort of had to admit that Bush didn’t know it was coming.


19 posted on 04/23/2011 6:22:50 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: neverdem

There’s a rather important distinction here.

I actually watched some of the ridiculous nonsense speculation that the government was behind 9/11 and that Bush knew about it, yada, yada.

It was clear delusion with no rational argument to support any of it.

On the other hand, there are quite a few very good reasons to question Obama’s eligibility, starting (but far from ending) with the fact that he has invested some real effort (including having lawyers represent him) in order to avoid releasing a $10 long-form birth certificate.

It’s kind of like saying, 1% of people believe the earth is flat. Another 1% of people have an IQ about 130. Therefore, there’s a real similarity between the two groups.

Bulls***.


20 posted on 04/23/2011 6:32:30 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: neverdem

Bush did know. But it was Hitlary who had the balls to ask him “What did he know and when did he know it?”
Meanwhile her scum of a husband knew in 1996.(Dereliction of Duty) Didn’t he? Release “Path to 911” with the uncut version on dvd. You shut that down and Sandy Burger shoved the files that tie into the events that shows your husband was to blame for 911.
That’s why he walked down the streets in NY saying “I told them to watch out for Bin Laden.” How did he know?


21 posted on 04/23/2011 6:38:26 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: freekitty
I have zero doubts the Clinton's knew.

The Clinton's have a habit of projecting, accusing others of doing what you are guilty of.

The Clinton's projected racial profiling on Bush when it was bill Clinton that got sued for racial profiling.

The Clinton's projected voter disenfranchisement on bush, when it was Bill Blinton that got sued for voter disenfranchisement.

It was Hillary that started the Truthers when she held up the paper proclaiming BUSH KNEW.

The Clinton's had what they called a 20 year plan. Bill would be president for 8 years, there would be 4 years for another president, then Hillary would be president for 8 years.

Not only did the Clinton's have to make sure Gore didn't get elected, they also had to come up with a plan to bring down a sitting president.

One of the tapes UBL released, he made it clear the objective of the 9/11 attack was to bring down the president.

I find it impossible to believe the Clinton's and UBL would both be making plans to bring down the next president at the same time and there is no connection.

When it comes to the Clinton's, “JUST COINCEDENCE” doesn't exist.

22 posted on 04/23/2011 6:55:16 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: neverdem

One had unending investigations by congress and the media and the other has the word of a Hawaii Demohack.

Pray for America


23 posted on 04/23/2011 6:55:54 PM PDT by bray (The Country Club can hold THEIR noses this election)
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To: neverdem

There is NO “University of Ohio.”

There is “Ohio University” and there is “Ohio State University.”


24 posted on 04/23/2011 7:11:30 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: bray

{Pray for America}

We better pray for lost souls, because it looks like the party us over for this Great Republic.

House of Lords looking to seat Imams. England has lost their collective minds, and we seem to be in a great hurry to emulate them.


25 posted on 04/23/2011 7:14:17 PM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: longfellow
Bush did know. But it was Hitlary who had the balls to ask him “What did he know and when did he know it?”

So are you claiming that Bush knew in advance about 9/11?

26 posted on 04/23/2011 7:32:04 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nhwingut

Exactly. The Constitution itself deals with eligibility, so it must not be too far out as an issue. 911 Trutherism is a whole ‘nother level of crazy.


27 posted on 04/23/2011 7:45:17 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: dirtboy
I believe one of the New York tabloids had a headline one day which read BUSH KNEW and Hillary held it up on the floor of the Senate.
28 posted on 04/23/2011 7:46:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: neverdem

At the end of the day, Why do we care what the fn democrats think?
This is losing focus on the big picture.
Defeating them! Our Goal
We can’t be like them, get along with them, or understand them.


29 posted on 04/23/2011 8:42:25 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: longfellow

Bush did not know, and you know that


30 posted on 04/23/2011 8:46:00 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: dirtboy

Yup.

I believe that the traitor administration briefed the Bush administration.
The Bush administration did take terrorism seriously. I don’t think they knew which planes were going to be hijacked but they knew of a plan to fly planes into buildings.

read Dereliction of duty
watch youtube- the path to 911
http://captainamericagroundzero.blogspot.com/


31 posted on 04/24/2011 12:12:23 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: reefdiver

The administration knew of A plan to fly planes into buildings, however since the klinton/gorelick administration would not let the CIA talk to the FBI the whole plan was not put together.

I am not a truther. I don’t believe that Bush brought down the towers.
That’s like saying Klinton and gore drove the truck into the towers the first time. You remember....klinton didn’t even go to the Towers. He told people in NJ not to worry about it, that it was nothing.

I did a lot of research for my book (http://captainamericagroundzero.blogspot.com/)

read Dereliction of Duty. Klinton knew of this plan in 1996.

Yet he did nothing. Nothing to protect the American people. That was too big of a job. He let us get hit 12 times.


32 posted on 04/24/2011 12:12:28 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: longfellow
I am not a truther. I don’t believe that Bush brought down the towers.

There are two basic schools of Truther - MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) and LIHOP (let it happen on purpose).

So you don't have to believe Bush brought down the towers to be a truther.

33 posted on 04/24/2011 1:53:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Thanks for clearing that up. i thought the people who bought that loose change bull crap were truthers.

Whether he let it happen, that’s the Pearl Harbor Theory.
I am saying they knew of a hijacking plan that had terrorists flying planes into buildings.

That aint opinion, that’s fact.


34 posted on 04/25/2011 8:26:04 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: IMR 4350

Read”Dereliction of Duty”, klinton knew in 96.


35 posted on 04/25/2011 8:26:09 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: reefdiver

Read Dereliction of Duty.
they knew of “something “ coming.


36 posted on 04/25/2011 8:35:08 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Venturer

Bingo.

Radical islamists killed 3000 Americans on the morning of 9/11. Within weeks of the attack, the dimrat party and their media turned on GW Bush and took the side of the muzzies. They never let up. If there had been any involvement of Bush/Cheney, the dimrat media would have uncovered and quickly.

Hussein comes on the stage and the dimrat media goes into promote and protect mode for the guy. The same investigative media who would go to the lengths to manufacture a story about Bush, have circled the wagons around barak.

If there is any commonality it would be their dogged defense of islam and their same zeal to protect barak.


37 posted on 04/25/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: longfellow
There was an al Quaeda doc. recovered in Afghanistan, it was a letter from UBl to Mullah Omar it was listed as doc # AFGP- 2002-600321 in what was known as the Harmony database.

In the doc UBL makes a passing statement to the effect “the news is 905 of the preparation for the battle”.

If you have a small scale attack where a lot of planning isn't involved, you can carry out the attack based on what is in the news.

For a large scale attack where a lot of planning is involved, in order for the attack to achieve its objective you simply can't wait for the appropriate news to pop up, you have to orchestrate the news for the attack, then you have to be able to spin the news after the attack.

UBL doesn't have the ability to orchestrate the news before the attack much less control the spin after the attack.

The only people in this country that can control the news is the left.

You can take that info and work out a clear pattern to the terrorist attacks going back to the 1st WTC attack in 1993.

In each and every case, it's been the Clinton's orchestrating the news.

38 posted on 04/25/2011 9:02:41 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: neverdem

I think Ted Kennedy was complicit in the 9-11 attacks and that’s why the Bin Laden gang were able to roam freely around Boston.


39 posted on 04/27/2011 9:12:38 PM PDT by MissMack99 (BO Stinks!)
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