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To: Ikaros
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States”

Is it an ‘either/or’ situation or an ‘and’ qualifier or just some legalize phrasing that means both?


The main problem above is that you truncated the quote which would have easily answered your question.

Here's the rest: "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"

There are two groups here that, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, were eligible for the presidency: 1. natural born Citizens, 2. those who, though not "natural born," were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. The second category no longer exists, unless you can find someone that is over 224 years old.
26 posted on 04/25/2011 5:46:42 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Ah... I see, thank you very much!!


27 posted on 04/25/2011 5:49:00 AM PDT by Ikaros
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To: aruanan

“Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution - No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

“There are two groups here that, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, were eligible for the presidency: 1. natural born Citizens, 2. those who, though not “natural born,” were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. The second category no longer exists, unless you can find someone that is over 224 years old.”

I agree with this “second category” logic above but just to double check myself, what if I get a response arguing, “well there are no 224 year old natural born citizens either?”

The person I was debating with (on Facebook, LOL) was trying to argue that the 14th amendment redefined who a citizen is but I explained it says nothing about who is a natural born citizen nor overrides article 2 for presidential qualifications requiring you be a natural born citizen. His response - “well take it to court you will lose.”


108 posted on 04/26/2011 8:29:32 AM PDT by Ikaros
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