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Obama Faces Hard Times With Catholic Voters Over Abortion
LifeNews.com ^ | April 25, 2011 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 04/25/2011 8:26:45 AM PDT by julieee

Obama Faces Hard Times With Catholic Voters Over Abortion

When Barack Obama won 54 percent of the Catholic vote in the 2008 presidential election, commentators barely noticed that John McCain won a majority of the religiously-active Catholic vote (51 percent to 49 percent). This was a small margin, to be sure, but it doesn't bode well for the 2012 presidential race, after all the worst predictions of Obama's support for abortion became reality.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/04/25/obama-faces-hard-times-with-catholic-voters-over-abortion/

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; bho2012; catholic; catholicvote; obama; prolifevote; voters
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1 posted on 04/25/2011 8:27:00 AM PDT by julieee
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To: julieee

The premise is pure fantasy. ‘Catholic’ voters elected this scum and continue to vote democrat despite the overwhelming fatcs tghat the criminal enterprise aprty has used the slaughter of alive unborn as a major empowerment issue for them for decades!


2 posted on 04/25/2011 8:30:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: julieee

A lot of Catholics were anti-Bush, and by extension anti-McCain, because of the thread of pacifism which runs though much of the Church.

The war will not be an issue in 2012.


3 posted on 04/25/2011 8:34:53 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: julieee

Is this article talking about real Catholics who are true to the teachings of Christ regarding the murder of the unborn, or is the article talking about the flaming liberals who wear the “Catholic” label so that they can have a veneer of “religiousness” to them?


4 posted on 04/25/2011 8:42:17 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: julieee

“It” didn’t bother the Catholics before. In fact, lots and lots of Red Flags with this guy didn’t bother them before, either.

You voted for this jack@ss, now suck it up.


5 posted on 04/25/2011 8:42:28 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: julieee

Really? Where were they in 2008?


6 posted on 04/25/2011 8:42:36 AM PDT by mancini
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To: julieee

Would that it were so. Unfortunately, most “Catholics” in this country were never properly catechized and have only a tenuous grasp of or concern for the moral teachings of the Church.


7 posted on 04/25/2011 8:47:01 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: julieee

They may not like his pro-abort stance, but he’ll make it all up on the “social justice” side.


8 posted on 04/25/2011 8:47:44 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: pnh102
Is this article talking about real Catholics who are true to the teachings of Christ regarding the murder of the unborn, or is the article talking about the flaming liberals who wear the “Catholic” label so that they can have a veneer of “religiousness” to them?

The previous, obviously.

This Catholic did not, and never could vote for 0bama or any pro-abort politician. Never.

9 posted on 04/25/2011 8:50:15 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c
"This Catholic did not, and never could vote for 0bama or any pro-abort politician. Never."

Ditto.

10 posted on 04/25/2011 8:53:06 AM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: julieee

It’s good if folks realize the hot mess that is the O, but honestly I’m sick of dumb people who couldn’t see this train rolling down the tracks.


11 posted on 04/25/2011 8:57:06 AM PDT by mancini
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To: julieee

Why would Obama face hard times from Catholics over abortion with Pelosi and Kennedy didn’t and she still doesn’t?


12 posted on 04/25/2011 9:02:06 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: pnh102

The only church -going Catholics that Obama has a chance of winning are the bishops,priests and nuns.


13 posted on 04/25/2011 9:02:53 AM PDT by ardara
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To: MHGinTN

Exactly.


14 posted on 04/25/2011 9:03:33 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: MHGinTN

Exactly.


15 posted on 04/25/2011 9:03:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: ardara
Not in my parish.

My priest has told me personally that although he isnot sure Obama is a Muslim, he does think he is one culturally.

16 posted on 04/25/2011 9:08:16 AM PDT by mware
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To: mware

What % of the Jesuit Priests do you think will vote for Obama?


17 posted on 04/25/2011 9:12:15 AM PDT by ardara
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To: ardara

That is a load of B S


18 posted on 04/25/2011 9:14:36 AM PDT by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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To: ardara
Couldn't tell ya,but my priest is from Malta.

As a child he saw and heard Saint George Preca preach personally.

19 posted on 04/25/2011 9:14:43 AM PDT by mware
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To: RabidBartender
This Catholic did not, and never could vote for 0bama or any pro-abort politician. Never.”

This protestant won't either - just thought I would chime in.

20 posted on 04/25/2011 9:16:42 AM PDT by Bitsy ( i)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Oh please, the Catholic hierarchy defines issues they will or will not oppose or defend. Presently, the hierarchy is aiding and abetting the undermining of the Republic via illegal immigrants the ‘church’ wants to protect and usher in illegally. I often wonder what percentage of Catholics are actual saved Christians.
21 posted on 04/25/2011 9:16:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
A lot of Catholics were anti-Bush, and by extension anti-McCain, because of the thread of pacifism which runs though much of the Church....The war will not be an issue in 2012.

One zillion percent disagree (respectfully of course). As the Roman Catholic Clergy righteously rails against abortion, they continue to support Democratic Candidates because of spending on social programs. My Dad asked his Priest in the 1990's why he supported Clinton with his abortion stand and basically, his other position on helping the poor was better. Then in 2008 as Obama's radical view on abortion came to light, the St. Louis Diocese came out with a position for church members that said (paraphrasing) you could vote for an abortion candidate if other issues of social matters were more important to you (i.e., social programs) So there you have it, the babies get thrown under the bus by a twisted concept of the clergy's definition of Social Justice.

22 posted on 04/25/2011 9:17:28 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: MHGinTN

I guarantee you every Catholic on this site did not vote for Obama. I am one of those REAL Catholics. I know every religion has two sets. One true believer and try to do the best they can and one set that is just Catholic in name only and MAYBE goes to church on Christmas and Easter (MAYBE). Please don’t sweep all of us under the murder of babies sign.


23 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:18 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: MHGinTN

Protestants put Obama in office. Most Americans are Protestants. More voted for him than against him.


24 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:58 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: MHGinTN

Protestants put Obama in office. Most Americans are Protestants. More voted for him than against him.


25 posted on 04/25/2011 9:34:06 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: MHGinTN

Protestants put Obama in office. Most Americans are Protestants. More voted for him than against him.


26 posted on 04/25/2011 9:34:18 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: ScottinVA

“Feeling good about yourself” uber alles.


27 posted on 04/25/2011 9:34:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: napscoordinator

I’m curious, have you asked, or have you determined, whether the “liberal Catholics” you know believe in the exclusivity of Christianity?


28 posted on 04/25/2011 9:36:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: julieee
Abortion? These "Catholics" don't seem to have a problem with it...

Neither did this one, but he's paying for it...


29 posted on 04/25/2011 9:38:57 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Bitsy

This protestant won’t either - just thought I would chime in.

You are so welcomed FRiend.


30 posted on 04/25/2011 9:39:53 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: MrB

I’m curious, have you asked, or have you determined, whether the “liberal Catholics” you know believe in the exclusivity of Christianity?

I believe that many liberal Catholics I know believe in themselves only. IF they go to Mass, it is for the social aspect of it. You see that all the time. But there are very good Catholics in this World and God Bless them for it. Each Religion has their folks that are fake.


31 posted on 04/25/2011 9:42:01 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I know many liberals who claim to be “Christians”, but once you investigate their belief systems, they are usually New Age Humanists. This is what you describe as “believe in themselves only”, as in “you will be as gods”.

I was just curious as to your experience in the Catholic church.


32 posted on 04/25/2011 9:44:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: mancini
Really? Where were they in 2008?

DING DING DING !!! WE'VE GOT A WINNER !!!

Obama has not changed his stance on abortion. He argued on the Illinois Senate floor that babies already born live outside their mothers's womb should be promptly killed if the intent of the mother was to abort them. And they're telling me that 49% of actively practicing Catholics voted for this monster?


33 posted on 04/25/2011 9:50:24 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: vladimir998
Protestants put Obama in office. Most Americans are Protestants. More voted for him than against him.

You are correct in the total votes cast. But last I checked, Nanny the Red Pelosi and that one sainted old now dead lion of the senate, who anointed the 'one' coming in the spirit of his dead brother are not protesters. Now I am not sure Harry real estate Reid would be considered a protester. Now are the majority of the 'supremes' protestants???

34 posted on 04/25/2011 9:53:12 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: julieee

The bishops spoke out fairly strongly on the right to life in 2008, but did not make a special point of saying that Obama was strongly abortionist.

But the real failing was McCain’s. He was pro-life, but not terribly strongly. And he completely failed to tackle Obama on this issue. I think he mentioned it once, very briefly, during the debates.

So probably a lot of people simply didn’t know about Obama’s dismal record. Obama made himself pretty clear to selective audiences, such as NARAL and Planned Parenthood, but the MSM ensured that word of his position did not escape to the general public.

Obama voted three times to kill babies who are born alive. And the hospital that was a subsidiary of Rev. Wright’s church notoriously threw live babies into the trash, and in one case onto a hot roof, to die. But few people knew about that, and McCain made no effort to let them know.


35 posted on 04/25/2011 9:57:01 AM PDT by Cicero
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but they’ll vote for a good-ol’ boy doofus like Bob Casey because he spouts the Union line, delivers pork and runs around saying profound things like “I’m for Jobs!”???

Not to mention decade after decade of Teddy Kennedy.
You could make a stronger prima facia case for Catholics
voting against Obama because he is black.


36 posted on 04/25/2011 9:57:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: napscoordinator

And I would almost accept that guarantee, excpet we have obamanoid operatives working FR who claim to be Catholic. The clue is when one finds a person claiming to be a Christian but is not at least very conflicted over the abortion issue as a political football kicked back and forth by both parties, but ridden to empowerment level by the democrats such a supposed Christian votes for regardless.


37 posted on 04/25/2011 9:58:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: vladimir998

“Protestants put Obama in office. Most Americans are Protestants. More voted for him than against him.”

Well put; the Catholic hierarchy has a lot to answer for in terms of how Catholics vote (though not to anyone on this site), but in the end Catholics aren’t nearly enough to deliver the office to this clown. Also, at least the Catholic vote is split; we’re not all with O’s program.


38 posted on 04/25/2011 10:07:18 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: MHGinTN

That’s why they need 40 million illegal aliens.


39 posted on 04/25/2011 10:13:32 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Just mythoughts

Protestants put Obama in office. That was my point. The fact that there are Catholics just as stupid as those Protestants doesn’t change or effect my point.


40 posted on 04/25/2011 10:17:20 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

This is not about catholics or anyone else.

Its about people being stupid and idiotic, whetrher its jews, catholics blacks, liberal whites, etc.

IDIOTS ELECTED OBAMA!


41 posted on 04/25/2011 10:18:15 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: vladimir998
Protestants put Obama in office. That was my point. The fact that there are Catholics just as stupid as those Protestants doesn’t change or effect my point.

What is the percentage of 'catholics' in elected office versus the 'protesters'. And your initial post wholly neglected any shared responsibility. Because if all the catholics voted against saint Teddy's anointed one then he would have lost.

42 posted on 04/25/2011 10:28:30 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MHGinTN

How the immigration laws should work is a prudential issue, and bishops that have spoken on that are entitled to express their opinions. Such policy statement are not required to be assented to by the faithful. I believe statements have been made both concerning the need to respect the humanity of illegal immigrants as well as the right of a nation to administer immigration laws. I wouldn’t disagree with either point, although I would disagree with any bishop who counsels the flouting of laws or their administration. Such policy matters are completely different from the issue of abortion, which is clearly against Catholic teaching from the beginning. As to your hatefilled sneer about not being “actual saved Christians”, perhaps you might save yourself time and stop wondering, as no one can read another person’s soul.


43 posted on 04/25/2011 10:49:31 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Just mythoughts

You wrote:

“What is the percentage of ‘catholics’ in elected office versus the ‘protesters’.”

Irrelevant. People in office did not put Obama in office.

“And your initial post wholly neglected any shared responsibility.”

Because that wasn’t the issue. I was addressing a post that also neglected to mention any shared responsibility.

“Because if all the catholics voted against saint Teddy’s anointed one then he would have lost.”

If all Protestants voted against Obama, then it wouldn’t have mattered one bit who any number of American Catholics voted for or against.


44 posted on 04/25/2011 10:51:43 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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Ah the Congress is the ‘body’ that either rejects or fulfills the presidents agenda... and I remember who was instrumental in getting the ‘deathcare’ bill through Congress... Stupidact comes to mind in his two faced deceit as well as that red queen speaker.
45 posted on 04/25/2011 10:55:40 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Unam Sanctam

Are you of the camp that claims one’s behavior, life being lived is not an indication of what spirit directs their soul? That ‘sneer’ is straight from the teaching of Paul, if you’re familiar with his letters to the Romans, Corinthians and Galatians.


46 posted on 04/25/2011 10:58:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: julieee
Unfortunately, among the Hierarchy there are still a lot of "Bernardin's Boys" who think a vote for food stamps offsets a vote for abortion. As for the vast majority of the laity, there's a whole generation (maybe two) that was never properly catechized. It's not that they oppose Church teaching so much as that they never learned what it is.
47 posted on 04/25/2011 11:18:10 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: MHGinTN

That is a very good point.


48 posted on 04/25/2011 11:22:00 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Just mythoughts

You wrote:

“Ah the Congress is the ‘body’ that either rejects or fulfills the presidents agenda...”

Irrelevant. My point was about putting Obama in office.

“...and I remember who was instrumental in getting the ‘deathcare’ bill through Congress... Stupidact comes to mind in his two faced deceit as well as that red queen speaker.”

Again, irrelevant. There would be no Obama agenda in Congress if Protestants had not put Obama in the White House to begin with.


49 posted on 04/25/2011 11:35:40 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: MHGinTN
And I would almost accept that guarantee, excpet we have obamanoid operatives working FR who claim to be Catholic.

Just because someone carries the "Catholic" moniker doens't mean they are truly Catholic. To prove my point ... Pelosi, Kennedy(s), Kerry, etc.

50 posted on 04/25/2011 11:46:50 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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