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Mass graves in Mexico reveal new levels of savagery
The Washington Post ^ | April 24 | Nick Miroff and William Booth

Posted on 04/25/2011 8:59:12 AM PDT by BBell

SAN FERNANDO, Mexico — At the largest mass grave site ever found in Mexico, where 177 bodies have been pulled from deep pits, authorities say they have recovered few bullet casings and little evidence that the dead were killed with a gun.

Instead, most died of blunt force trauma to the head, and a sledgehammer found at the crime scene this month is believed to have been used in the executions, according to Mexican investigators and state officials. The search continued Sunday, with state officials warning they expect the count to rise.

They say as many as 122 of the victims were passengers dragged off buses at drug cartel roadblocks on the major highway to the United States.

The mass killings of civilians at isolated ranches 90 minutes south of the Texas border mark a new level of barbarity in Mexico’s four-year U.S.-backed drug war.

As forensic teams and Mexican marines dig through deeper and darker layers here, the buried secrets in San Fernando are challenging President Felipe Calderon’s assertions that his government is winning the war and is in control of Mexico’s cities and roads.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico
KEYWORDS: drugcartels; gangs; mexico; warondrugs
Just when I thought it could not get any worse.
1 posted on 04/25/2011 8:59:18 AM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell

Any American who travels to Mexico to vacation is insane.


2 posted on 04/25/2011 9:01:09 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: BBell

In San Fernando a local farmers son was kidnapped and 10,000 demanded. When the farmer could only afford 5,000 half of his son was sent to him.


3 posted on 04/25/2011 9:01:44 AM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell
It's my understanding that La Cosa Nostra has usually frowned upon violence against innocent civilians. They will go after rivals, and occasionally the police or prosecutors, but they usually leave bystanders alone.

This means that these thugs are worse than the Mafia.

4 posted on 04/25/2011 9:02:12 AM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Inyo-Mono

My sister and brother in law are in Cancun right now. My sister said they will not leave the resort area at all.


5 posted on 04/25/2011 9:03:31 AM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell

Bring our troops home from Afghanistan and let’s take over Mexico.

Because if the situation there continues to deteriorate, that trickle of people crossing the border will become a flood.


6 posted on 04/25/2011 9:03:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BBell
"They say as many as 122 of the victims
were passengers dragged off buses
at drug cartel roadblocks on the major highway
to the United States."

The undocumented Imam Obama:
"Hey, let's leave the border open.
Let's give THEM weapons and take weapons from OUR border patrol.
Heck, let's just give them entry to all our roads."

7 posted on 04/25/2011 9:04:35 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Lysandru

From the article it sounds like they are just a bunch of sadistic gangs of robbers.


8 posted on 04/25/2011 9:05:07 AM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell
My sister and brother in law are in Cancun right now. My sister said they will not leave the resort area at all. A colleague/friend is there too this week. I hope she doesn't leave the resort area also.
9 posted on 04/25/2011 9:08:27 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: BBell
Those who attempt definition of levels of savagery have no understanding of nature or humanity.

Savagery in nature can not be contained. Savagery within humanity prospers while those outraged enlightened souls try and figure out the situation.

10 posted on 04/25/2011 9:08:48 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: BBell
Drug lord gangs are throwbacks to the 15th century Aztec practice of human sacrifice.

It isn't just the brutality and the number of victims, it is the sadistic methods employed for maximum effect on their enemies.

11 posted on 04/25/2011 9:09:07 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BBell

They might want to skip the Subway restaurant at the airport unless they want to do the Aztec Two-step.


12 posted on 04/25/2011 9:10:02 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: BBell

And the 800 pound gorilla in the room continues to laugh...

The drug gangs’ power comes from the barrel of the gun

Which is held by a thug

Who is paid for in dollars,

And the dollars come from where?

And the dollars come from what?

Yet not so much as a PEEP about trying to get people to stop using illegal drugs in this country!

Wonder why?


13 posted on 04/25/2011 9:10:29 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: BBell

And they are bringing their disease into this country on a daily basis.

That is one of the biggest burrs I have under my saddle with the illegals. They live in a violent, third world, drug and gang infested country. They then come to our country under the cover of darkness, and bring their infectious disease with them. One need only look at the cites with the highest number of illegals, LA to name just one, to see how their disease is rampant and how it is killing us.


14 posted on 04/25/2011 9:10:46 AM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On.......Fight Like a Girl!!...............Saracuda in 2012)
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To: BBell
177 bodies have been pulled from deep pits

Ugh, how do you get that job?

15 posted on 04/25/2011 9:12:05 AM PDT by corkoman (Steadfast and Loyal)
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To: Vigilanteman
Drug lord gangs are throwbacks to the 15th century Aztec practice of human sacrifice. It isn't just the brutality and the number of victims, it is the sadistic methods employed for maximum effect on their enemies.

Here you go Santa Muerte Death Cult

The flaccid Catholic Church in Mexico much like they did in the 1930's and 1940's in Europe sits by as genocide happens. As long as cartels throw a little money the churches way, the churches remain silent and complicit. The drug cartel worship in these cults and Blood and Gore is payment for their good fortunes.

16 posted on 04/25/2011 9:19:33 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: corkoman

At least 177 corpses have been recovered in the last few weeks, most of them, officials now say, passengers snatched from interstate buses, tortured and slaughtered. Women were raped before being killed, and some victims were burned alive, according to accounts from survivors who eventually overcame their fears and came forward.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-mass-graves-20110425,0,3171055.story

17 posted on 04/25/2011 9:20:45 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

And until a real war on the cartels and ALL their operatives (including those in US agencies) is undertaken and these vermin are exterminated as the deadly disease they are, we will continue to have these ‘acceptable losses’ ... the democrat party is a criminal enterprise. They will do anything necessary to protect their allies in crime at any level and in any nation.


18 posted on 04/25/2011 9:23:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Any American who travels to Mexico to vacation is insane.

Any Mexican in the U.S. who travels to Mexico on vacation is also insane. The northern part of the country is basically a vast killing zone.
19 posted on 04/25/2011 9:26:05 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: BBell

We have a war on our doorstep and our troops in Afghanistan.


20 posted on 04/25/2011 9:28:34 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Lysandru

La Cosa Nostra was in for the long run, that’s why they even shunned drugs, well the ‘old guard.’ Plus, any deviation meant certain death. These Mexicans mentioned here are just thugs, and probably organized only at the local level. It makes no sense to to do all that terror for $10K, for example, when you can make that much with a kilo of cocaine. Unless they do it to scare the state in submission or to make some extra cash on the side.


21 posted on 04/25/2011 9:29:20 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (“An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.”)
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To: BBell

“Just when I thought it could not get any worse.”

It is worse than any of us realize. According top blogdelnarco.com children are now being killed on purpose. There are large sections of Mexico where the journalists and the army don’t go. The cartels control the roads and use roadblocks to take young men off of busses. Maybe they are conscripting military age males to join thier “armies.”


22 posted on 04/25/2011 9:45:39 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: BBell

Obviously these bad guys need to get the phone number to the ATF so that they can get their hands on some American firearms and stop using those hammers.


23 posted on 04/25/2011 9:49:54 AM PDT by NationalistVisionary (Who will be America's Charles Martel?)
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To: I cannot think of a name

The illegal drug business is one of the three largest businesses in the United States. Police, politicians, judges, military, Federal prosecutors, and others are all on the payroll which runs into billions. This is why nothing is done. There is evidence that Clinton was on their payroll at one time and may still be. Bush is not without guilt either. The great ship United States is down by the bow and does not answer the helm. Way God have mercy on the remnants.


24 posted on 04/25/2011 9:54:05 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
“This is why nothing is done.”

A bit over-broad.

18,000 Border Patrol Agents are working very hard to stop drug smugglers. . . and at great personal risk.

25 posted on 04/25/2011 10:22:51 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: forgotten man

Is there an English version of blogdelnarco.com?


26 posted on 04/25/2011 10:23:54 AM PDT by BBell
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To: Inyo-Mono

I had a fishing trip scheduled last year, sent a Discover check for a substantial deposit and found out the captain was murdered and the boat blown up. Canceled the trip.


27 posted on 04/25/2011 10:36:35 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: BBell; K-oneTexas; fuzzthatwuz; publana; deadmenvote; tuffydoodle; secondamendmentkid; re_nortex; ..

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


28 posted on 04/25/2011 10:38:22 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Lysandru

There are no bystanders in mexico......just so you know.


29 posted on 04/25/2011 10:40:47 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: Deo volente

Anyone know about travel to San Louis Potosi?
I may have to go there for work!
The state department recommends against it.
It’s nothing but a hell hole south of the border!


30 posted on 04/25/2011 10:55:34 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race. Obamacare is a crime)
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To: I cannot think of a name
Yet not so much as a PEEP about trying to get people to stop using illegal drugs in this country!

Have you been living in a cave? We spend billions every year trying to do just that. We gave cabinet level priority to the drug czar in 1989 with the creation of the ONDCP.

What have we got to show for it? How about zip, nada and nothing.

31 posted on 04/25/2011 11:27:45 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Vigilanteman

“It isn’t just the brutality and the number of victims, it is the sadistic methods employed for maximum effect on their enemies.”

Unless the word gets out widely about who did it to whom there is little if any effect. Right now it’s just a bunch of unsolved mass murders with the perps getting no propaganda boost which is why they did these murders in the first place.


32 posted on 04/25/2011 11:38:21 AM PDT by fella (... if sinners entice thee, consent thou not. Prov.1:10)
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To: BBell
Is there an English version of blogdelnarco.com?

Try pressing "2".

33 posted on 04/25/2011 11:53:12 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Moltke
Heh heh!

Good one!

34 posted on 04/25/2011 11:55:07 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: BBell
On Thursday, Mexican authorities arrested the police chief in San Fernando, and 16 of the department’s 25 officers are now in custody, suspected of working for the Zetas to help the gang kidnap, kill and bury their victims.
35 posted on 04/25/2011 11:56:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Ken H
Realistically, the last time I heard a President actually speak out against drug use was Ronald Reagan.

Bush #1 - a few quick mentions

Clinton - nothing

Bush #2 - a brief mention about efforts at the boarder

Zero - nothing

The last time I remember any President saying directly to the American people, “hey you dumb-asses, your "hobby" is the cause of all this, why don't you stop this nonsense” was Reagan.

And in NONE of the discussions about our gun laws being the cause did I hear ANYBODY stand up and say, "no it isn't, it is our buying the dam garbage that provides the dollars."

36 posted on 04/25/2011 12:08:32 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: BBell

I don’t know what browser you are using but GOOGLE Chrome will translate it for you. You may have to go into preferences and check the offer to translate. I very seldom use Chrome but when I do it is for this purpose.


37 posted on 04/25/2011 12:12:12 PM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: SwinneySwitch

Thank you for the ping SwinneySwitch.


38 posted on 04/25/2011 4:25:11 PM PDT by Cindy
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