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Top female navy commander sacked over humiliating initiation ordeals on board ship
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 4-25-11

Posted on 04/25/2011 11:17:22 AM PDT by rawhide

Commander Etta Jones, officer in charge of the Norfolk, Virginia-based Ponce, was sacked for not properly investigating sailors involved in the humiliating rituals, the Navy said.

Commander Jones also failed to properly handle a 9mm handgun during a security alert, which endangered some of her crew, the Navy said.

Lieutenant Commander Kurt Boenisch, the ship's executive officer, was also sacked, after he failed to provide support to the command and commanding officer, according to the Navy.

The sackings come as the the amphibious transport dock Ponce - pronounced 'ponsay' - is deployed in the Mediterranean, after recently taking part in a mission in Libya.

As he removed the two officers from their posts, Vice Admiral Harry Harris said: 'When leadership fails in setting a proper example or upholding proper standards on his or her ship, they fail to serve our sailors, our Navy and, ultimately, our nation.'

Captain Brad Skillman, deputy commander of Amphibious Squadron 4, has taken command of the Ponce, which is due home in about two months to be decommissioned.

Commander Jones is the eighth U.S. Navy commanding officer relieved so far this year, according to navytimes.com

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: commander; fired; lesbean; navy
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1 posted on 04/25/2011 11:17:29 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Is it me or has there been a positive epidemic of skippers getting beached for cause in the past 3 years?


2 posted on 04/25/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by Lysandru
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To: rawhide

Who the hell named a Navy Ship “Ponce” (pronounced “Pon-Say”)???


3 posted on 04/25/2011 11:24:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: rawhide
I'll take bull-dyke for $100 Alex.

4 posted on 04/25/2011 11:24:17 AM PDT by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: rawhide

Goodness. Admiral Harris has been busy. I do know him and he is a good guy, but in these situations he has been tough. The Navy is going to have to do something about senior leadership ASAP and believe they will before the end of the year. New training methods or something.


5 posted on 04/25/2011 11:24:24 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rawhide

More seriously screwed up commands all the time.....


6 posted on 04/25/2011 11:24:38 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Lysandru
In every case i have read they more than deserved it.
7 posted on 04/25/2011 11:26:02 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: rawhide

“humiliating initiation ordeals on board ship”

Sounds like some of the Pollywogs got a bit upset by their treatment by the Shellbacks during the Crossing the Line ceremony.

Anyone know the full story?


8 posted on 04/25/2011 11:27:13 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("If we don't stand for something, we shall fall for anything" - Peter Marshall)
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To: rawhide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fOVWNvrKy8&NR=1


9 posted on 04/25/2011 11:28:36 AM PDT by mware
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To: TSgt

Ouch, ouch. Both eyeballs are stinging.


10 posted on 04/25/2011 11:29:01 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: rawhide

did she authorize a line crossing ceremony? Isn’t that tradition older than the US navy and still followed by countless navies across the globe?


11 posted on 04/25/2011 11:30:16 AM PDT by RC one (Donald Trump-I'm listening.)
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To: rawhide
Old Yellow Stain.

Where are those damn strawberries?

12 posted on 04/25/2011 11:32:01 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: rawhide

Methinks the Navy has become CINC of our diversity and political correctness movement.

The AF and ARMY are currently fighting a losing battle.

Thankfully, my MARINES are holding the fort.

(Nope, I’m old AF, not a Marine, but still think the Marines are sierra hotel.)


13 posted on 04/25/2011 11:32:01 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: BwanaNdege

That’s an interesting point. It’s possible that the ship was just following the old shellbacking traditions, and someone whined about it. In that case, the skipper may not have been all bad, but instead weirdly caught up in some PC-motivated crackdown.


14 posted on 04/25/2011 11:35:36 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: rawhide

Well! We are told, and apparently believe, that: “Our Diversity Is Our Strength.”


15 posted on 04/25/2011 11:35:56 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: BwanaNdege

after reading the story, it would appear one of the pollywogs was a gay dog handler....figures, centuries of tradition out the window because of one fag with an attitude...


16 posted on 04/25/2011 11:35:57 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Mr. K

“Who the hell named a Navy Ship “Ponce” (pronounced “Pon-Say”)???”

Politicians, that’s who. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm

“The names for new ships are personally decided by the Secretary of the Navy. Ship name recommendations are conditioned by such factors as the name categories for ship types now being built, as approved by the Secretary of the Navy; the distribution of geographic names of ships of the Fleet; names borne by previous ships which distinguished themselves in service; names recommended by individuals and groups; and names of naval leaders, national figures, and deceased members of the Navy and Marine Corps who have been honored for heroism in war or for extraordinary achievement in peace. “

http://www.ponce.navy.mil/

USS PONCE is designated an LPD, Amphibious Transport Dock. It is the United States Navy’s custom for LPDs to be named after cities that take their names from explorers and developers of their countries. USS PONCE is the first United States Ship to be named after the city of Ponce, Puerto Rico, which in turn is named in honor of the Spanish explorer, Juan Ponce de Leon. Juan Ponce de Leon discovered the State of Florida and served as the first Governor of Puerto Rico.


17 posted on 04/25/2011 11:37:27 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("If we don't stand for something, we shall fall for anything" - Peter Marshall)
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To: joe fonebone

after reading the story, it would appear one of the pollywogs was a gay dog handler....figures, centuries of tradition out the window because of one fag with an attitude...

I think you are referring to the story about Bahrain. That is where the gay dog handling was from. They were just going over the other stories that broke recently. There was no gay dog handler in this story.


18 posted on 04/25/2011 11:38:34 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Mr. K
Who the hell named a Navy Ship “Ponce” (pronounced “Pon-Say”)???

Quoting the Navy:

USS PONCE is designated an LPD, Amphibious Transport Dock. It is the United States Navy’s custom for LPDs to be named after cities that take their names from explorers and developers of their countries. USS PONCE is the first United States Ship to be named after the city of Ponce, Puerto Rico, which in turn is named in honor of the Spanish explorer, Juan Ponce de Leon. Juan Ponce de Leon discovered the State of Florida and served as the first Governor of Puerto Rico.
Source: http://www.ponce.navy.mil/ Click the "Characteristics" tab.
19 posted on 04/25/2011 11:41:54 AM PDT by matt1234 (Union rank-and-file are now dem brownshirt rank-and-file.)
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To: BwanaNdege

I was in a Golden Shellback ceremony. We had one guy not want to do it and he did not. Everyone else had a lot of fun.


20 posted on 04/25/2011 11:42:06 AM PDT by edcoil (Democrats doing to America what Reagan did to russia. Driving it to bankrupcy.)
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To: rawhide
“Commander Jones is the eighth U.S. Navy commanding officer relieved so far this year, according to navytimes.com”

Quite obvious they're picking CO’s for ships based on something other than merit.

21 posted on 04/25/2011 11:43:08 AM PDT by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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To: BwanaNdege
“Sounds like some of the Pollywogs got a bit upset by their treatment by the Shellbacks during the Crossing the Line ceremony.”

I don't think a sheelback ceremony is what this is. Back in the late 70s and 80’s when I was in, there was truly humiliating initiations on my ship that just doesn't belong in any mans Navy. And nobody was punished, because victims were afraid to talk. Where talking young terrified sailors being held face down, having their pants pulled down and objects such as broom handles, grease guns hoses, whatever put you know where.

I was going to make a career of the Navy, but the scum that joined (mostly during the Carter years) made me change career paths. It was not my Dad's Navy.

22 posted on 04/25/2011 11:47:00 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: RC one

The most treasured document ever owned by my late father-in-law was his shellback card. Carried with him from WWII until his a passing a couple of years ago.


23 posted on 04/25/2011 11:50:09 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: TSgt

Ya’ think? Bwahahahaha ....


24 posted on 04/25/2011 11:50:48 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: rawhide

Women commanding men in combat will always end in failure. 10,000 years of human history sacrificed on the altars of political correctness.


25 posted on 04/25/2011 11:52:27 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Mr. K

It is the United States Navy’s custom for LPDs to be named after cities that take their names from explorers and developers of their countries.


26 posted on 04/25/2011 11:52:37 AM PDT by Melas
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To: NavyCanDo

Rape is not a tradition of our military. Anyone engaging in sexual assault should be tossed overboard with a bag of chum attached to their ass.


27 posted on 04/25/2011 11:52:43 AM PDT by misterrob (You cannot call yourself a conservative if you support socialistic government programs!)
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To: NavyCanDo

That is sick to the nth degree. Every one who did these things should have been reported and given a dishonorable discharge.


28 posted on 04/25/2011 11:52:43 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: NavyCanDo

barry´s navy


29 posted on 04/25/2011 11:54:14 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: wally_bert
These initiations are as old as sailing the sea. My Square knot family members can not really explain it to someone who was not there, and don't really feel the need to. I am concerned out wonderful Navy is getting too PC, and re-earning the reputation for making scapegoats out of heroes. Give me the traditions and the esprit de corps they build to bind our service people together.
30 posted on 04/25/2011 11:55:23 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: TSgt
Looks straight to me.

(LOL)

31 posted on 04/25/2011 11:59:02 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: napscoordinator

Hi Naps...Hope your retirement is going WELL! :)

I wanted to ask your opinion on something (forgetting this commanders “looks”) regarding the various dismissals by the “Navy”.

I haven’t researched it and have only briefly read headlines etc but is it possible that the brass being dismissed is because they are ‘not’ PC and/or have an aversion to the direction the Navy/military is going? That is they are using anything (trumped up or otherwise) to get rid of the old mindset. Or is all of this legit? Just curious what you think...


32 posted on 04/25/2011 11:59:15 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;..." Hosea 4:6)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
We are told, and apparently believe, that: “Our Diversity Is Our Strength.”
And that was before DADT was repealed.
Wait until all the queers come wriggling out of their seabags.

33 posted on 04/25/2011 11:59:27 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: NavyCanDo

i never heard of such a thing....the worst we did was gamble on if the new guys would make it to the head before barfing all over the deck....


34 posted on 04/25/2011 12:03:09 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: misterrob
Rape is not a tradition of our military.

Try telling that to the cabin boy!

35 posted on 04/25/2011 12:07:32 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: joe fonebone
Yea, I don't know if that kind of thing was wide spread, or just in our Ordnance Division. Working around tens of thousand of pounds of explosive ordnance every day does something to your gray cells.
36 posted on 04/25/2011 12:07:53 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: TSgt
The REAL initiation would've been to stare at THIS for two hours.


37 posted on 04/25/2011 12:10:55 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Mr. K

For British speakers the name is LOL. And “Ponsay” is ROFLMAO.


38 posted on 04/25/2011 12:11:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.- H. L. Mencken)
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39 posted on 04/25/2011 12:15:14 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: edcoil

Yep! Being force-fed dog food, and being manacled and rolled in dog$hit sounds like a swell idea. Thank God for the Army!


40 posted on 04/25/2011 12:16:17 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39

What dogs are on a boat?


41 posted on 04/25/2011 12:20:17 PM PDT by edcoil (Democrats doing to America what Reagan did to russia. Driving it to bankrupcy.)
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To: NavyCanDo

“Back in the late 70s and 80’s when I was in, there was truly humiliating initiations on my ship that just doesn’t belong in any mans Navy. “

You were on some kind of messed up bucket.

I was on two different ships from 77-81. I even went through an equator crossing, and never saw anything like what you speak of. I don’t doubt it happened, but I’m telling you it wasn’t everywhere.


42 posted on 04/25/2011 12:21:49 PM PDT by brownsfan (I miss the America I grew up in.)
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To: rawhide

“Commander Jones also failed to properly handle a 9mm handgun during a security alert, which endangered some of her crew, the Navy said.”

But the Navy saw fit to give her a ship? What’s wrong with this picture?


43 posted on 04/25/2011 12:27:46 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Spok

I’ve got those Yellowstain Blues
Those silly Yellowstain Blues

When someone fires a shot
It’s always there I am not

I’ve got those Yellowstain Blues
The old Yellowstain Blues

those yellowstain blues.


44 posted on 04/25/2011 12:30:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Outlaw Woman

The Navy is DESPERATELY trying to get rid of that “A girl in every port” and “the Sailor always drunk in port” tags. They are desperately trying to make the Navy into a business and as professional as possible. The cost is that they will not allow for any perception of errors amongst the Sailors. There is so much going on that if something is not done, they Navy will fall apart. First, nobody is safe from a career. They are getting rid of people by the droves. In June they are having a board to get rid of Sailors between the years of 8-15 years. If they have even a minor smudge they are gone. If they don’t have perfect evaluations, they are gone. Now right now the Navy’s manpower and billets (jobs) are a mess. Some ships are requiring a Chief (E-7) to run two and three divisions because there is not enough Chiefs to go around. However, the big Navy is saying we are too big and will even get rid of more. Second, there is ZERO fun in the Navy. It is horrible. No morale boosting events. We used to have a picnic after our Physical Fitness Test which was always fun. Even on ships when they pull into port there is zero fun. That is going to be a problem in the future once the economy comes back and with the generous GI Bill, the way they are treating folks, the manpower, the Navy will be in trouble BIG TIME. I will watch the disaster with sadness, but really wish it wouldn’t happen but I see it as inevitable.


45 posted on 04/25/2011 12:30:59 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: edcoil; Tucker39

The dog story was from Bahrain and not the ship.....they were just reviewing different stories that has happened in the Navy over the past year.


46 posted on 04/25/2011 12:34:08 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Da Coyote

Perhaps. But there are also cases of commanders being left in their positions in the Army who have no business leading Soldiers into combat. See the recent 5th Stryker BDE insanity for details.

While this could be P.C. police garbage (i.e. that carrier XO who was relieved for that dumb video), it could also be that some folks, when they’re out in the middle of the ocean believe they are gods unto themselves and the Navy strongly disagrees.


47 posted on 04/25/2011 12:38:33 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: HMS Surprise; Lazamataz
Ouch, ouch. Both eyeballs are stinging.

There's no way Laz would hit that.

48 posted on 04/25/2011 12:39:43 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: misterrob
Anyone engaging in sexual assault should be tossed overboard with a bag of chum attached to their ass.

Perhaps attached with a broom handle??

49 posted on 04/25/2011 12:46:41 PM PDT by Logic n' Reason ("I'm an expert on life...after shit happens." (Dead Like Me))
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To: brownsfan

“I was on two different ships from 77-81. I even went through an equator crossing”

It had nothing to do with an equator crossing. Just newbies coming into G2 Hanger Deck Ordnance. (I was G2 flight deck) The Hanger Deck Weapons group was a bunch of messed up losers - which is why they were never selected to work flight deck. These ordeals were done behind locked doors, not in public like equator crossings.


50 posted on 04/25/2011 12:47:42 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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