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State Dept adding intrusive, semi-impossible questinnaire for US passport applications
boingboing.net ^ | April 25, 2011 | Cory Doctorow

Posted on 04/25/2011 3:25:23 PM PDT by MamaDearest

Olga sez, "The U.S. Dept of State is proposing a new Biographical Questionnaire for passport applicants: proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history, personal details of siblings; mother's addresses prior to your birth; any "religious ceremony" around time of birth, circumstances of birth including names (as well as addresses/phone numbers) of persons present, & more. Failure to answer can mean denial of passport, & govt reserves right to use this info for 'routine uses.'"

Update: Commenters note that this form is specifically intended in lieu of a birth certificate with a passport application; but as the FA suggests, the circumstances in which people unable to provide a birth certificate will be given this form (rather than the traditional bureaucratic investigation) are not spelled out; further, the form itself remains a Kafkaesque impossibility for most people to complete.

It seems likely that only some, not all, applicants will be required to fill out the new questionnaire, but no criteria have been made public for determining who will be subjected to these additional new written interrogatories. So if the passport examiner wants to deny your application, all they will have to do is give you the impossible new form to complete.

It's not clear from the supporting statement, statement of legal authorities, or regulatory assessment submitted by the State Department to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) why declining to discuss one's siblings or to provide the phone number of your first supervisor when you were a teenager working at McDonalds would be a legitimate basis for denial of a passport to a U.S. citizen.


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KEYWORDS: bigbrother; clintonlegacy; hillaryclinton; intrusive; obamalegacy; papersplease; passport; statedepartment; statedept; transparency
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Biographical Questionnaire for a US Passport (pdf)

The proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers’ and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother’s address one year prior to your birth; any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth; and a variety of other information. According to the proposed form, “failure to provide the information requested may result in … the denial of your U.S. passport application.”

1 posted on 04/25/2011 3:25:28 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

Correction: Should be Questionnaire in title. My apologies for hastily posting.


2 posted on 04/25/2011 3:26:29 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

This sounds like the new form should be tried out on the current occupant of the oval office.


3 posted on 04/25/2011 3:30:55 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: MamaDearest

I want our immaculated president to answer before me.


4 posted on 04/25/2011 3:32:45 PM PDT by MCCC
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To: MamaDearest

Looks like Obama may need to fill one of these out after Jan 2013. No BC tell us you life story.


5 posted on 04/25/2011 3:33:58 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MamaDearest

Another good reason to stay in the USA and see America.

FTW!


6 posted on 04/25/2011 3:34:58 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: MamaDearest

“My people, and of course terrorists, are excluded."


7 posted on 04/25/2011 3:35:50 PM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: MamaDearest

Good grief. I’ve had 7 addresses in the past 10 years (so far). This form is ridiculous.


8 posted on 04/25/2011 3:36:16 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: MamaDearest

Working for the DOD and NASA I’ve had a bunch of different Security Clearances.

None of them required me to list any addresses before I was 18.


9 posted on 04/25/2011 3:38:10 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Diogenesis

10 posted on 04/25/2011 3:41:16 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: MamaDearest

And this is why it is good to be a dual citizen. There is always a second passport.

Ask the cheeky Kenyan bastard.

P.S.

I have no will or plans to return to the U.S. as beautiful as my country is. It has become too crooked.


11 posted on 04/25/2011 3:43:05 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

A passport is bloody handy for domestic travel in the airports these days. When you show your passport you typically blow right through the TSA inspection. Not being able to obtain a passport confers upon you a kind of second class citizenship.


12 posted on 04/25/2011 3:44:58 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: Truth29
This sounds like the new form should be tried out on the current occupant of the oval office.

Does anyone for even a moment believe Obama would provide the answers to Question 9 of the form without his typical non-response (accepted by media and the majority of politicians in office and running for office?) 9. Did your mother receive pre-natal or post-natal medical care?
Hospital or other facility:
Address:
Name of Doctor:
Dates of appointments:

or how about Questions 10, 11 and 12?

10. What type of document, if any, did your mother use to enter into the United States before your birth?
11. Please describe the circumstances of your birth including the names (as well as address and phone number, if available) of persons present or in attendance at your birth:
12. Was there any religious or institutional recording of your birth or event occuring around the time of birth? (Example: baptism, circumcision, confirmation or other religious ceremony. Please provide details including the name, location of the institution, and date.)

13 posted on 04/25/2011 3:45:15 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

Only Mormons will be able to get passports.


14 posted on 04/25/2011 3:45:45 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

“Good grief. I’ve had 7 addresses in the past 10 years (so far). This form is ridiculous.”

You can invent. They would never know.

If you are going to get a passport, do it now before this becomes real.


15 posted on 04/25/2011 3:47:07 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: MeganC

“Not being able to obtain a passport confers upon you a kind of second class citizenship.”

Interesting. I didn’t know that since I haven’t been in our country for about 7 years.


16 posted on 04/25/2011 3:50:10 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: MamaDearest

If this form is real I can only see one regime. It isn’t pretty.


17 posted on 04/25/2011 3:50:59 PM PDT by MCCC
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To: MamaDearest

LOL I’d be able to fill this out.My DM only had two addresses before my birth and I remember where all I’ve lived.I’ve also been a housewife for the past 25+ years.


18 posted on 04/25/2011 3:51:51 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: MCCC

“If this form is real I can only see one regime. It isn’t pretty.”

They are going to have to hire half of the U.S. to checkup on everyone’s background who has applied for passports.

Apply for your passport now.


19 posted on 04/25/2011 3:55:13 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

It is true. I know the propaganda says that everyone is treated the same at airports but the fact is that if you have a passport you save a bunch of time answering stupid questions. A passport is also awesome when you need ID at a bank or in similar situations and what’s bets about it is that none of the numbers on a passport link to your financial identity the same as your driver’s license number does. So if someone copies your passport numbers they really don’t have anything. So I use it all the time instead of my driver’s license when I need ID.


20 posted on 04/25/2011 3:56:10 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

“I’ve had 7 addresses in the past 10 years (so far). This form is ridiculous.”

I’m glad I have a passport already. I’m married to a pilot. I can’t even count all the places we’ve “lived.” I tried to count all the places after about 5 years of marriage and gave up when I hit 42. We’ve been married almost 17 years. Please tell me this is from the Onion.


21 posted on 04/25/2011 3:59:15 PM PDT by pops88 (geek chick over 40)
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To: MamaDearest

They can Bloody well go look at my Orange File for the Goverenment Security Clearance and my Military 201 file!


22 posted on 04/25/2011 4:04:40 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: MeganC

Crumbs, MeganC.

That is very, very smart indeed.

A few months ago for the first time in my life, I misplaced by Panamanian ID (cedula), which is a necessary document to almost breath.

While I was getting it replaced, I was using my Panamanian passport for banking and other areas which require identification to include supermarkets and other places when using a credit card. I like the strictness of this. (The cedula is also needed for voting. No cedula, no voting.)


23 posted on 04/25/2011 4:10:45 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: MamaDearest

This from an administration that REFUSES to validate the birth certificate of our elected president.

Screw the TRANSPARENT emperor’s new clothes.


24 posted on 04/25/2011 4:15:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: MamaDearest

This from an administration that REFUSES to validate the birth certificate of our elected president.

Screw the TRANSPARENT emperor’s new clothes.


25 posted on 04/25/2011 4:15:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Another good reason to stay in the USA and see America. FTW!

East Germany constructed a wall to keep citizens from leaving the Communist dictatorship.

In America, they erect a wall of red tape.

26 posted on 04/25/2011 4:16:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: MamaDearest

Hillary Clinton was in illegal posession of 900 FBI files. Now she wants to dig even deeper into everyone’s background. WHY?

Just monitor those who travel abroad to train with Al Qaeda and monitor those who overstay their travel visas in the US.

All else is an affront to American liberty. “Papers please!”


27 posted on 04/25/2011 4:19:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: pops88
Please tell me this is from the Onion.

I wish I could, but this looks like it's for real.

28 posted on 04/25/2011 4:22:43 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: MamaDearest
So these new passport regulations make it almost impossible, for those to whom they apply, to get a passport. It is just like Nazi Germany which had rules that made it almost impossible for Jews to get passports.

Who does Obama want to lock inside the USA? Perhaps it is the wealthy, who are now being squeezed if they dare to leave permanently. After the new passport rules, the rich will be pulped if they stay or if they go.


29 posted on 04/25/2011 4:24:18 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: MamaDearest

Why in this day and age would someone not have a birth certificate or access to one?

I think someone who can’t prove who they really are should be put through the wringer. These questions are not much different than those of a background check for a law license or security clearance.


30 posted on 04/25/2011 4:29:09 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: MamaDearest

What if you already have a passport, but it expired a few years ago? They still want you to go through the STASI interrogation?


31 posted on 04/25/2011 4:30:59 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: chaosagent

I’ve held clearances and am now a security manager in DOD - even Top Secret only makes you go back 10 years.


32 posted on 04/25/2011 4:31:47 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

“(The cedula is also needed for voting. No cedula, no voting.)”

Wow, didn’t know Panama was such a racist coiuntry that wants nothing more than to disenfranchise women and minorities.


33 posted on 04/25/2011 4:39:38 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: dsrtsage

LOL!!!

Panama is paradise. I love living here.


34 posted on 04/25/2011 4:48:38 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I have no will or plans to return to the U.S. as beautiful as my country is. It has become too crooked.

Attempts to fill America with people who have no allegiance to our nation and turn it into a third world country such as from which they've come seem to be part of the "legacy" of Obama. Photos of Detroit have gone worldwide - democrat party pride in action.

New Passport Application asks for Insane Details

Snip: And little lies on the form could come back to haunt you, since, as the form explains, the "The DS-5513 may also be used as evidence in the prosecution of any individual who makes a false statement on the application...".

35 posted on 04/25/2011 5:09:03 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

This law should be copied by all 50 states for purposes of what someone has to show to be on the presidential ballot — either a true birth certificate or this info in lieu of a true birth certificate.

How can it be easier to run for Prez than to get a U.S. passport?


36 posted on 04/25/2011 5:36:32 PM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding their comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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To: MeganC
A passport is bloody handy for domestic travel in the airports these days. When you show your passport you typically blow right through the TSA inspection.

Could you explain, please? I travel a lot, domestic and international, and haven't noticed any difference.

37 posted on 04/25/2011 5:53:50 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I know every address i’ve ever lived at without looking it up and I’m 74.


38 posted on 04/25/2011 5:55:30 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: MeganC
I know the propaganda says that everyone is treated the same at airports but the fact is that if you have a passport you save a bunch of time answering stupid questions.

What airport do you depart from? At SeaTac I don't get questions, whether I'm using passport or driver's license. (I print boarding passes at home, no checked luggage.) I may chat briefly with the TSA agent checking ID, if I recognize him.

39 posted on 04/25/2011 5:58:02 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: fightinJAG; ExTexasRedhead; blackie; LucyT
How can it be easier to run for Prez than to get a U.S. passport?

No one is holding their breath that our current resident president will release passport or any other personal information in our lifetime. Yet, supposedly intelligent people and powerful political foes are saying they "believe" what democrats and Obama tells them without substantative proof their beliefs are founded in truth and accuracy. What we, the people, often supply government in personal information, our president refuses to do. This president's portrait is beginning to take on shades of Dorian Gray (with lots of "gray" area info missing - there's just too much conflicting information missing or unanswered - such as the law license revocations for himself and Michelle).

40 posted on 04/25/2011 6:01:22 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: dalereed
I know every address i’ve ever lived at without looking it up and I’m 74.

Diitto that here, but most people don't have that kind of information handy without a major research job through their personal documents. I saved my old payroll stubs, but about half of the places I've worked through the years no longer exist, and a good many of the people with whom I worked are no longer alive (tracking back over 40 years).

Another mind boggling question on the form asks who was present at my birth. In those days fathers were not permitted in the room for the actual birth and other than the doctor's name on the birth certificate, how would anyone know?

41 posted on 04/25/2011 6:08:25 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Emperor Palpatine; unkus; MamaDearest; SkyPilot; freekitty; jesseam; bitt; Nachum; ncfool; ...

That should be up on billboards all over the country.

Add their Death Panels (Holocaust II) and it all ties in.


42 posted on 04/25/2011 6:20:52 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Thanks for the ping!

This is outrageous !

43 posted on 04/25/2011 6:29:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MamaDearest
The new form, which would be called DS-5513, is a biographical questionnaire that the Department of State would send out whenever a passport applicant “submits citizenship or identity evidence that is insufficient or of questionable authenticity.”

In other words, if you have a delayed birth certificate filed more than one year after you were born, or you were born at home with a midwife instead of in a hospital, you would probably need to fill out DS-5513.

44 posted on 04/25/2011 6:57:09 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: nopardons

I’ve sent this to everyone in my address list. The American people better wake up or they will be living in a WWII-style prison camp, IMO.


45 posted on 04/25/2011 7:39:35 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Such a questionnaire is more detailed and invasive, than what the Nazis required people to fill out for whatever reason!

The thing is, I just hope that I can renew my passport, without having to fill that vile thing out, I couldn't supply a lot of the required info.

46 posted on 04/25/2011 7:43:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ExTexasRedhead

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=570088&p=1


47 posted on 04/25/2011 9:12:35 PM PDT by bitt ( ..Congress - either investigate Obama ...or yourselves, for complicity)
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To: dalereed

Your memory is much better than mine, then. I lost track after about move #10 or so...


48 posted on 04/25/2011 9:13:04 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: sionnsar

Been in Burbank lately? I’ve had less scrutiny flying out of Minsk.


49 posted on 04/26/2011 11:42:19 AM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: MamaDearest
It's not clear from the supporting statement, statement of legal authorities, or regulatory assessment submitted by the State Department to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) why declining to discuss one's siblings or to provide the phone number of your first supervisor when you were a teenager working at McDonalds would be a legitimate basis for denial of a passport to a U.S. citizen.

My first supervisor is deceased. I'm thinking his number is unlisted.

50 posted on 04/26/2011 11:45:56 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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