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Red China's first aircraft carrier unveiled
AFPC China Reform Monitor ^ | 4/25/2011 | Joshua Eisenman, ed.

Posted on 04/25/2011 3:51:06 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

After more than a decade of renovation, China's first aircraft carrier – a remodeled 67,500-ton Admiral Kuznetsov-class Soviet carrier bought at auction in 1998 – is preparing to set to sail. The official Xinhua News Agency posted 20 high-resolution pictures with accompanying captions that suggest the carrier will undergo sea tests this year. One said: “Huge warship on the verge of setting out, fulfilling China’s 70-year aircraft carrier dreams.” Another said: “From the pictures we can see that this project is entering its final stage.” Yet, another noted that with the exception of its radar system, construction on the ship’s bridge was almost done. The Chinese have not released details of the carrier’s capabilities.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; china; chinesemilitary; navair; redchina

1 posted on 04/25/2011 3:51:10 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

cute


2 posted on 04/25/2011 3:52:54 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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3 posted on 04/25/2011 3:56:15 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: bruinbirdman
Yet, another noted that with the exception of its radar system, construction on the ship’s bridge was almost done.

Picky, picky.

4 posted on 04/25/2011 3:56:19 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: bruinbirdman

Isn’t a curved deck a design from early WWII carriers?


5 posted on 04/25/2011 3:57:15 PM PDT by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Match bearings and SHOOT...

I think even Greenpeace could be made to like the result of that...

A new reef for all da fishies of da sea!!!


6 posted on 04/25/2011 3:57:56 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: bruinbirdman
They have already had a collision? Look at the the way the flight deck is bent up. /sarc
7 posted on 04/25/2011 3:58:26 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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8 posted on 04/25/2011 3:58:54 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: bruinbirdman

Hopefully, she’ll make a good artificial reef one day.


9 posted on 04/25/2011 3:59:35 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: bruinbirdman

Virginia class target.


10 posted on 04/25/2011 4:03:30 PM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: bruinbirdman

20 pictures posted at the site...well the first 7 or 8 pictures are all from the same (port) side of the ship - some from farther away or taken from behind additional pieces of equipment (cranes,etc.). Then pic 9 shows a....hatch....two pictures of a ...hatch. One with a man standing in the doorway of the hatch. One with the man gone from the hatch. Would that be considered an action shot?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2011-04/06/c_121269711_9.htm

This pic looks like the SS Minnow is being upgraded big time:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/photo/2011-04/06/c_121269711_10.htm
I can’t look at any more pictures for now...to much excitement.


11 posted on 04/25/2011 4:03:40 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: bruinbirdman

China has no experience with building carriers. I forget the actual numbers but this little ship took at least 10-12 years to get to this point. BUT, before they can use it for real there will be another 8 years of fitting, re-fitting, tuning, shake-down jaunts, etc., etc.


12 posted on 04/25/2011 4:05:20 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Silent Service calls this “Target.”


13 posted on 04/25/2011 4:06:36 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: bruinbirdman

I’ve seen bathtub toys bigger than that thing!


14 posted on 04/25/2011 4:08:23 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: bruinbirdman
I certainly hope it turns out better than their recent attempt to reverse engineer the Boeing 777.
The revolutionary new Chinese airliner. Extra heavy duty seatbelts, goggles and personal blast shields available for slight extra charge but recommended only for passengers who wish to arrive at their destination.

Photobucket


15 posted on 04/25/2011 4:10:41 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Exactly. What? 25 planes? It’s one thing to have a carrier. It’s another to have 75 years of experience using one. They should have learned from the Russians.


16 posted on 04/25/2011 4:12:21 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Dick Bachert

I think I rode a prototype of that into Dutch Harbor Alaska. No stewardesses, no galley or cockpit door. Just go in and sit facing a solid firewall spanning the entire front of the cargo ...I mean passenger...area. No in flight movie etc. Oddly we kept looking forward through the flight, at a blank wall...just out of habit.


17 posted on 04/25/2011 4:15:46 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: wastedyears

I believe the British used a curved flight deck on its carrier.


18 posted on 04/25/2011 4:44:12 PM PDT by brivette
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To: brivette
I believe the British used a curved flight deck on its carrier.

For the Harrier Vertical take off.

19 posted on 04/25/2011 4:51:05 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: bruinbirdman

20 posted on 04/25/2011 5:00:47 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: wastedyears
Isn’t a curved deck a design from early WWII carriers?

To my knowledge, for US and Japanese carriers, no. In WWII the piston powered aircraft were able to launch without catapults or a ramp. The Brits have used a "ski jump" ramp in the last couple decades for their harriers facilitating launch without need for a catapult. The Russians have done the same, with a more severe angle than the Brits. The ski jump does increase the angle of attack for the wings and provides an upward trajectory for the aircraft instead of just dropping off the end.

21 posted on 04/25/2011 5:13:39 PM PDT by cidrasm
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To: Talisker
Plus this:


22 posted on 04/25/2011 5:22:41 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
Plus this:


23 posted on 04/25/2011 5:24:47 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Rudder

If current trends continue for the next eight years we will be selling the Chinese our best equipment, for they will own us


24 posted on 04/25/2011 5:33:53 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: wastedyears

Not ours. European and Soviet.


25 posted on 04/25/2011 5:42:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: bruinbirdman; Jeff Head
There's no big surprise here. Jeff Head has been covering this story for six years now.

VARYAG TRANSFORMATION INTO AN OPERATIONAL PLAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER

For those who sneer at the ChiComs, this carrier's mission is NOT to go head-to head with the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet, but to project power against Taiwan, Japan, India, Southeast Asia, and perhaps the Horn of Africa.

Instead, they know precisely how to deal with our carriers...

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

26 posted on 04/25/2011 5:45:42 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: wastedyears
Russian carrier ops:

Russian Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov

27 posted on 04/25/2011 5:55:38 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: ransomnote

LOL. They were just getting you prepped for fishing on the Bearing Sea.

And if it was VERY WINDY during your flight, it might have been one of these aircraft.


28 posted on 04/25/2011 6:31:55 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?)
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To: bruinbirdman

Submarine meat.


29 posted on 04/25/2011 6:33:21 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: ransomnote

Look, people, there is nothing magic about this. They are smart, determined people and will work out the problems. Look at all of the trouble we’ve had with the new Austin class LPD’s. Our Naval program is a mess and we had better get our act together before it’s too late.

Remember in the first years of WWII, the USN was outclassed by the IJN in all areas except Radar. The attitude here reminds me of the attitude of smug superiority we had vis a vis the Japanese in 1938.

The curved deck is the Russian design. No catapults, I believe.


30 posted on 04/25/2011 9:19:10 PM PDT by reentry
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To: Rudder
"China has no experience with building carriers."

They can't even lay a keel for a cruiser class. They bought this hull from the Rooskies.

Rooskies couldn't convert a cruiser to a carrier for the Indians.

yitbos

31 posted on 04/25/2011 9:22:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: reentry
"They are smart, determined people and will work out the problems."

Look what's sitting in an inland waterway just west of Shanghai:

yitbos

32 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:40 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: reentry

I don’t doubt that the Chicoms are smart, determined people who will work out the problems. (You forgot to mention ‘hard working’)
I have my doubts on anything Russian made and I come by it honestly. When one of our famous test pilots finally got to fly a mig - he almost crashed because you really could put it into a dive but he had a heck of a time manuevering or pulling out of it - ever. I worked on Soviet fishing vessels in the 80’s that were built in the 50’s. I read about the truck factory workers who were paid by the pound to build trucks - so they built them so massive they begin to fall through the ice in remote locations. I studied up on some of the ‘antics’ of the Soviet space program. I listened with open mouthed shock to their nuclear program as described by my Russian emigres dinner guest. The Chicoms have their work cut out for them - building something on top of a Russian base. But as another poster pointed out - it’s to intimidate Taiwan et. al. ,not the US Navy.


33 posted on 04/25/2011 9:41:15 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Thanks for the link which sure took a load off my mind What aircraft could handle 10 of those landings? The SU 25 is one hell of a rugged plane, but it sure wasn't designed for the Russki idea of a carrier landing, which is apparently a sort of bounce and crash, bounce, maybe hook up, bounce bounce and then collapse the gear kind of thing.

Also, I don't believe I am revealing classified info here, but shouldn't the fire extinguisher be somewhere on deck, or at least near the companionway?

Just WTF? Over.

34 posted on 04/25/2011 10:10:37 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
The Harrier vertical take-off is a cool trick, but one to be avoided if there is not to be an immediate aerial refueling operation.

The ski-jump allows the Harriers to take off while rolling forward like a normal aircraft, with just a bit of vectored thrust. Saves tons of fuel.

Ridgerunner's link is also weird in that the crew looked like mostly Russki AF types, not sailors. Why would sailors wear camo? Also, it took dozens of them to muscle the SU 25 into position and it looked like a normal AF version with a tailhook added. When the gear collapsed, that kind of confirmed it.

Practice, comrades, practice

35 posted on 04/25/2011 10:25:15 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: bruinbirdman
That's the Military Education Center at the Orient Green Boat After-School Camp for Youngsters.

"This one time in Battle Carrier Camp..."

36 posted on 04/26/2011 3:03:46 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.- H. L. Mencken)
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To: bruinbirdman
Are you sure that's a carrier in that foto?

Looks more like a sleek Italian cruise ship.

37 posted on 04/26/2011 6:20:06 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: bruinbirdman

A boat is just a hole in the water into which you throw money.

The PLAN now has the biggest possible hole in the water into which to throw money, a CV.

Fortunately, they have a lot of money (much of it formerly ours...) to throw into the hole...


38 posted on 04/26/2011 6:23:37 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: bruinbirdman
Look what's sitting in an inland waterway just west of Shanghai:

The ChiComs are obsessed with having a carrier. Yes, they have a practical need for one (Taiwan, India, etc) but they also see having one (or two, or three) as a matter of national prestige.

Varyag will give them a limited ability to project power better than they can right now. But it needs to be looked at more as their USS Langley (CV-1) rather than something the'll send out to do battle.

Of course, a Varyag/Su-33s vs. Gorshkov/MiG-29Ks throw-down in the Indian Ocean would be fascinating to watch. As a spectator.
39 posted on 04/26/2011 7:03:46 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Oztrich Boy
"That's the Military Education Center at the Orient Green Boat After-School Camp for Youngsters. "

It is, indeed, made out of concrete.

ChiComs cannot even manufacture the CPUs necessary for advanced militay electronics.

yitbos

40 posted on 04/26/2011 1:19:43 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Oztrich Boy
"That's the Military Education Center at the Orient Green Boat After-School Camp for Youngsters. "

It is, indeed, made out of concrete.

ChiComs cannot even manufacture the CPUs necessary for advanced military electronics.

yitbos

41 posted on 04/26/2011 1:20:04 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: ransomnote

The Chinese have there their work cut out for them, and sailing around on a modified Russian carrier is not the achievement of the century. But they have made it a national priority to master all of the relevant technology, and they will. The purpose of this is to learn how to operate a carrier on the blue water. I think they are thinking way beyond Taiwan, the plan is to challenge the US Navy for control of the Pacific, and I think they will do so in the next decade or so.

I am not a huge fan of the Chinese Communist government, and I don’t subscribe to the unbeatable boogeyman d’jour hype. That being said, I think it would be a big mistake to assume that they will always be where they are now militarily. For those of you who think advanced CPU’s will be their bottleneck, they already are manufacturing world class chips for foreign companies, and one day they will design one of their own if they haven’t already.

Like I said, we need to get our act together pronto.


42 posted on 04/28/2011 4:43:36 PM PDT by reentry
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