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Posted on 04/25/2011 3:51:06 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
After more than a decade of renovation, China's first aircraft carrier a remodeled 67,500-ton Admiral Kuznetsov-class Soviet carrier bought at auction in 1998 is preparing to set to sail. The official Xinhua News Agency posted 20 high-resolution pictures with accompanying captions that suggest the carrier will undergo sea tests this year. One said: Huge warship on the verge of setting out, fulfilling Chinas 70-year aircraft carrier dreams. Another said: From the pictures we can see that this project is entering its final stage. Yet, another noted that with the exception of its radar system, construction on the ships bridge was almost done. The Chinese have not released details of the carriers capabilities.
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Isn’t a curved deck a design from early WWII carriers?
Match bearings and SHOOT...
I think even Greenpeace could be made to like the result of that...
A new reef for all da fishies of da sea!!!
Hopefully, she’ll make a good artificial reef one day.
Virginia class target.
20 pictures posted at the site...well the first 7 or 8 pictures are all from the same (port) side of the ship - some from farther away or taken from behind additional pieces of equipment (cranes,etc.). Then pic 9 shows a....hatch....two pictures of a ...hatch. One with a man standing in the doorway of the hatch. One with the man gone from the hatch. Would that be considered an action shot?
This pic looks like the SS Minnow is being upgraded big time:
I can’t look at any more pictures for now...to much excitement.
China has no experience with building carriers. I forget the actual numbers but this little ship took at least 10-12 years to get to this point. BUT, before they can use it for real there will be another 8 years of fitting, re-fitting, tuning, shake-down jaunts, etc., etc.
The Silent Service calls this “Target.”
I’ve seen bathtub toys bigger than that thing!
Exactly. What? 25 planes? It’s one thing to have a carrier. It’s another to have 75 years of experience using one. They should have learned from the Russians.
I think I rode a prototype of that into Dutch Harbor Alaska. No stewardesses, no galley or cockpit door. Just go in and sit facing a solid firewall spanning the entire front of the cargo ...I mean passenger...area. No in flight movie etc. Oddly we kept looking forward through the flight, at a blank wall...just out of habit.
I believe the British used a curved flight deck on its carrier.
For the Harrier Vertical take off.
To my knowledge, for US and Japanese carriers, no. In WWII the piston powered aircraft were able to launch without catapults or a ramp. The Brits have used a "ski jump" ramp in the last couple decades for their harriers facilitating launch without need for a catapult. The Russians have done the same, with a more severe angle than the Brits. The ski jump does increase the angle of attack for the wings and provides an upward trajectory for the aircraft instead of just dropping off the end.
If current trends continue for the next eight years we will be selling the Chinese our best equipment, for they will own us
Not ours. European and Soviet.
For those who sneer at the ChiComs, this carrier's mission is NOT to go head-to head with the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet, but to project power against Taiwan, Japan, India, Southeast Asia, and perhaps the Horn of Africa.
Instead, they know precisely how to deal with our carriers...
LOL. They were just getting you prepped for fishing on the Bearing Sea.
And if it was VERY WINDY during your flight, it might have been one of these aircraft.
Look, people, there is nothing magic about this. They are smart, determined people and will work out the problems. Look at all of the trouble we’ve had with the new Austin class LPD’s. Our Naval program is a mess and we had better get our act together before it’s too late.
Remember in the first years of WWII, the USN was outclassed by the IJN in all areas except Radar. The attitude here reminds me of the attitude of smug superiority we had vis a vis the Japanese in 1938.
The curved deck is the Russian design. No catapults, I believe.
They can't even lay a keel for a cruiser class. They bought this hull from the Rooskies.
Rooskies couldn't convert a cruiser to a carrier for the Indians.
Look what's sitting in an inland waterway just west of Shanghai:
I don’t doubt that the Chicoms are smart, determined people who will work out the problems. (You forgot to mention ‘hard working’)
I have my doubts on anything Russian made and I come by it honestly. When one of our famous test pilots finally got to fly a mig - he almost crashed because you really could put it into a dive but he had a heck of a time manuevering or pulling out of it - ever. I worked on Soviet fishing vessels in the 80’s that were built in the 50’s. I read about the truck factory workers who were paid by the pound to build trucks - so they built them so massive they begin to fall through the ice in remote locations. I studied up on some of the ‘antics’ of the Soviet space program. I listened with open mouthed shock to their nuclear program as described by my Russian emigres dinner guest. The Chicoms have their work cut out for them - building something on top of a Russian base. But as another poster pointed out - it’s to intimidate Taiwan et. al. ,not the US Navy.
Also, I don't believe I am revealing classified info here, but shouldn't the fire extinguisher be somewhere on deck, or at least near the companionway?
Just WTF? Over.
The ski-jump allows the Harriers to take off while rolling forward like a normal aircraft, with just a bit of vectored thrust. Saves tons of fuel.
Ridgerunner's link is also weird in that the crew looked like mostly Russki AF types, not sailors. Why would sailors wear camo? Also, it took dozens of them to muscle the SU 25 into position and it looked like a normal AF version with a tailhook added. When the gear collapsed, that kind of confirmed it.
Practice, comrades, practice
"This one time in Battle Carrier Camp..."
Looks more like a sleek Italian cruise ship.
A boat is just a hole in the water into which you throw money.
The PLAN now has the biggest possible hole in the water into which to throw money, a CV.
Fortunately, they have a lot of money (much of it formerly ours...) to throw into the hole...
It is, indeed, made out of concrete.
ChiComs cannot even manufacture the CPUs necessary for advanced militay electronics.
It is, indeed, made out of concrete.
ChiComs cannot even manufacture the CPUs necessary for advanced military electronics.
The Chinese have there their work cut out for them, and sailing around on a modified Russian carrier is not the achievement of the century. But they have made it a national priority to master all of the relevant technology, and they will. The purpose of this is to learn how to operate a carrier on the blue water. I think they are thinking way beyond Taiwan, the plan is to challenge the US Navy for control of the Pacific, and I think they will do so in the next decade or so.
I am not a huge fan of the Chinese Communist government, and I don’t subscribe to the unbeatable boogeyman d’jour hype. That being said, I think it would be a big mistake to assume that they will always be where they are now militarily. For those of you who think advanced CPU’s will be their bottleneck, they already are manufacturing world class chips for foreign companies, and one day they will design one of their own if they haven’t already.
Like I said, we need to get our act together pronto.