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Carney sighs at birther question (more dissembling)
politico ^ | 4/26/2011 | matt negrin

Posted on 04/26/2011 12:14:52 PM PDT by milwguy

Jay Carney lamented Tuesday that the conspiracy theory about President Obama’s birth is getting “serious attention” while more important matters are getting overlooked.

CNN’s Ed Henry asked the White House press secretary to react to Donald Trump’s seemingly constant presence on TV, in which the real estate mogul has stoked the myth that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii. In response, Carney said that CNN itself had reported a “highly credible piece on an established fact” — that “the president was born in the United States of America.”

“This was a settled issue,” Carney said, calling it “unfortunate” that “for whatever reason, that instead of focusing” on the economy, unemployment, the deficit, energy, education and foreign affairs, “that this is the subject of – that gets any kind of serious attention.”

“I'll leave it at that,” Carney said. But then Henry asked about the birth certificate’s release, to which Carney replied, “the birth certificate that the campaign put up online has been available for everyone to see online around the globe.”

Carney said the document can be used to get a driver's license, and that anyone who was born in Hawaii uses the same documentation.

“I just think this is, it's a distraction,” Carney said. “And it's an unfortunate distraction. ... Anybody who is watching this exchange, the West Wing of the White House, would be appalled – or most Americans would be appalled.”


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"Carney said the document can be used to get a driver's license, and that anyone who was born in Hawaii uses the same documentation."

So a person using the actual long form certificate couldn't get a DL in Hawaii unless they use the crappy cetification of live birth? I think not, and not EVERYONE uses the certification as proof. Carney of course probably doesn't even know the difference between the two documents, the same goes for most of the sycophant media in the briefing room.

1 posted on 04/26/2011 12:14:53 PM PDT by milwguy
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To: milwguy

Barry’s first press secretary was a clown, but this guy is even worse. Where does he find these people?


2 posted on 04/26/2011 12:16:39 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: milwguy

“This was a settled issue,”

No, it was just thought to have been successfully buried by the media and whatever money Obama was using to keep it that way.


3 posted on 04/26/2011 12:18:24 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: milwguy

Hey Jay, can you explain why BO has spent around 2 million dollars to keep the long form sealed? Just wondering.


4 posted on 04/26/2011 12:18:50 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: milwguy

Well CNN says so....................so what?


5 posted on 04/26/2011 12:19:08 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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on all theses BC threads, ive yet to see one person show up in the major media on tv with a copy of the long form bc that was used in Hawaii in 1961, and compare it with the bogus COLB the teleprompter and fraud had posted....and start asking questions and making points from there.

Most people dont seem to realize the difference.


6 posted on 04/26/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: milwguy

“the birth certificate that the campaign put up online has been available for everyone to see online around the globe.”

Note he didn’t say it was Obama’s birth certificate. They carefully parse the language to avoid tying Obama to the COLB. A smart reporter would phrase the question so that Carney has to say “the COLB that Obama released”


7 posted on 04/26/2011 12:20:25 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: milwguy
So why doesn't anyone at these pressers DEMAND to see the legal document that shows what hospital Barry was born in???

HOW IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH CAN HISTORIANS SIT BY AND LET THIS GO??

Isn't there ONE journalist allowed in the Whitehouse?

8 posted on 04/26/2011 12:21:56 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Cicero

“Where does he find these people?”

...a clinic that specializes in frontal lobotomies.


9 posted on 04/26/2011 12:22:17 PM PDT by albie
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To: MPJackal
Where does this 2 million dollars number come from?
10 posted on 04/26/2011 12:22:54 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Cicero
Barry’s first press secretary was a clown, but this guy is even worse. Where does he find these people?

Mordor.

11 posted on 04/26/2011 12:23:02 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: milwguy
"the real estate mogul has stoked the myth that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii."

Trump has done no such thing. Trump repeatedly says he believes that Obama was born in Hawaii.

But he (Trump) also says that he wishes Obama would release his Birth Certificate because it might show something important.

12 posted on 04/26/2011 12:23:13 PM PDT by eCSMaster (We will fight for America and it starts here in Madison, WI. It starts here. It starts now.)
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To: Cicero

Bread and Carnivals


13 posted on 04/26/2011 12:24:18 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (President Obama's approval ratings are so low now, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the US)
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To: Cicero

Yep and a littlemore static electricity in his hair could help him along with a new career as being a dancer in that Footloose movie Kevin Bacon was in. I swear every time I see him I think about him dancing the part of Kevin Bacon.


14 posted on 04/26/2011 12:25:19 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: milwguy

Anybody who is watching this exchange, the West Wing of the White House, would be appalled – or most Americans would be appalled.”


Yes, I am appalled, appalled that the simple production
of the Long form Birth Certificate has still not been
done.
I don’t question whether he was born in Hawaii, I just
want to know the nationality of his FATHER!


15 posted on 04/26/2011 12:25:25 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: milwguy

They really don’t want an investigation of Obama’s birth.


16 posted on 04/26/2011 12:25:55 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: milwguy

Simple question for any of the news morons to ask Jay-BO:

“Jay, is President Obama a natural born citizen?”


17 posted on 04/26/2011 12:26:00 PM PDT by nesnah
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To: Cicero
Where does he find these people?

In the metrosexual bathroom.
18 posted on 04/26/2011 12:26:57 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN 66-67)
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To: milwguy
“I just think this is, it's a distraction,” Carney said.

Of course, you're being paid to think it's a distraction; you have a vested interest in it being a distraction, and were you asked "how does the BC controversy make you feel?" Does this remark answer a question that was asked? Or are we just playing "how does the Presidents Chief Flack feel about things today?"

19 posted on 04/26/2011 12:27:57 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: nesnah

“Jay, is President Obama a natural born citizen?”

Yup, that is the question they do not want, nor have an answer for, because he isn’t one.


20 posted on 04/26/2011 12:27:57 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: milwguy

At least the question was asked. One question can lead to another.


21 posted on 04/26/2011 12:28:13 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Throw away your papers, blow up your TV...and set yourself free.)
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To: albie

That’s just my baby-daddy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ_xaTbMYUM


22 posted on 04/26/2011 12:31:03 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: AppyPappy

“the birth certificate that the campaign put up online” .. is a weird way to say it. Normally someone wouldn’t say it like that. sounds like “that woman, ms. lewinsky”


23 posted on 04/26/2011 12:31:55 PM PDT by rokkitapps
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To: VanDeKoik

This is a settled issue just like the same political minds said Global Warming was ‘settled science’...eventually the wheels came off with the memo leaks.


24 posted on 04/26/2011 12:33:39 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: milwguy
Whats ON that damned old certificate of birth thats SOoooo BAd!!..
It MUST be bad.. else why all the drama?..

Its got to be bodacious bad.. nasty bad.. ELSE trot it out!.. Lets have a look at the damned thing..

25 posted on 04/26/2011 12:34:45 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: milwguy

This entire issue is caused solely by Obama’s refusal to release his original 1961 birth certificate. Any “news” article that fails to mention this point is not worth reading.


26 posted on 04/26/2011 12:34:48 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: milwguy

Bump for the Constitution.


27 posted on 04/26/2011 12:36:42 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You say your'e conservative, but you support liberals. Should I believe your words or your actions?)
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To: frogjerk
Where does this 2 million dollars number come from?

Payments made from the Obama campaign to a law firm...birthers have made up the rest.

28 posted on 04/26/2011 12:38:05 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: raygunfan

“on all theses BC threads, ive yet to see one person show up in the major media on tv with a copy of the long form bc that was used in Hawaii in 1961, and compare it with the bogus COLB the teleprompter and fraud had posted....and start asking questions and making points from there.
Most people dont seem to realize the difference.”

A side by side comparison of the COLB and long form B/C presentation would make for a great reality TV spot for the Donald.


29 posted on 04/26/2011 12:39:50 PM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: milwguy

Where did Obama find this bozo? He’s not even qualified to blow up balloons at a kids birthday party.


30 posted on 04/26/2011 12:40:41 PM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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Carney replied, “the birth certificate that the campaign put up online has been available for everyone to see..."

And what website was this put online and by whom?

31 posted on 04/26/2011 12:44:40 PM PDT by avacado
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To: MPJackal

Jay can explain it. He’s a paid liar himself. If BS were serious about putting the issue to bed he would come clean; instead he likes it as a distraction and even jokes about it at times. Sad part for the American people is that the whole administration is a bad joke.


32 posted on 04/26/2011 12:47:56 PM PDT by toolman1401
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To: avacado
This really should be Breaking News!

Carney said, "The birth certificate that the campaign put up online has been available for everyone to see online around the globe.”"

I must have missed this.

33 posted on 04/26/2011 12:50:36 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: milwguy

Someone needs to bring along the video of Obama talking to students saying explicitly he was not born in hawaii, but that he was born in Kenya.

And then try to explain that one away. So Barry is either telling the truth or he was lying to a huge crowd of people on camera. A lie he now apparently refutes, from himself.


34 posted on 04/26/2011 12:52:35 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: milwguy
"Carney said the document can be used to get a driver's license, and that anyone who was born in Hawaii uses the same documentation."

Straw man reply....qualifying to be president is NOT the same as getting a driver's license.

Why doesn't the press corpse ever point this out? Oh, wait...

35 posted on 04/26/2011 12:52:53 PM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: Rational Thought
Yeah, I thought that the birth certificate that popped up had popped up at the DailyKos and was later deemed a forgery. I have never heard of an official release of the birth certificate from the Obama campaign.
36 posted on 04/26/2011 1:01:38 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Secret Agent Man

Is that video online somewhere?


37 posted on 04/26/2011 1:02:24 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Secret Agent Man
Someone needs to bring along the video of Obama talking to students saying explicitly he was not born in hawaii, but that he was born in Kenya.

And then try to explain that one away. So Barry is either telling the truth or he was lying to a huge crowd of people on camera. A lie he now apparently refutes, from himself.

It's just this sort of thing that makes birthers look like kooks. That is nothing but a video prank...it never happened.

38 posted on 04/26/2011 1:02:41 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: avacado; Rational Thought

There has never been an official release. The campaign just points to what was produced by Annenberg and Factcheck. They only ever posted pictures from those sites. Nothing Original. Wonder why? Maybe so they would not get nailed with posting a forgery? Who knows.


39 posted on 04/26/2011 1:03:43 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: MPJackal

“Jay Carney lamented Tuesday that the conspiracy theory about President Obama’s birth is getting “serious attention” while more important matters are getting overlooked.”

More important than the serious possibility there is a usurper signing his paycheck.


40 posted on 04/26/2011 1:08:07 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Danae

Team Obama keeps misrepresenting a COLB as a Birth Certificate, and the “media” just nods their heads in agreement.


41 posted on 04/26/2011 1:15:54 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: eCSMaster
He hasn't gone as far as stating that he wasn't born in Hawaii, but he has stated that his Birth certificate is missing from Hawaii.

Excerpt from CNN Cooper Anderson and Trump April 25, 2011

(CNN) – Real estate mogul Donald Trump's latest claim about President Obama's birth certificate is that it's missing.

"Well I've been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday. "I've been told that it's not there or it doesn't exist. And if that's the case it's a big problem."

When asked from whom he received the information, Trump said he didn't want to say and that he feels bad about the situation.

42 posted on 04/26/2011 1:26:58 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: milwguy
I am going to address something that Carney and Anderson Cooper et al gloss over. Yes, the COLB can be used for most things like getting a drivers license (Yo, Carney, a DL is NOT acceptable ID for Proving one is a Natural Born Citizen... duh). HOWEVER, there are instances in which a Long form is NECESSARY.

One instance where it is necessary is in establishing Genealogy.

Another is when it is necessary to look at the Parents place of Birth!!! That is important!!!!! Why? Because Obama's father is British, so under the section of Parents place of Birth ("If not in U.S.A. Name Country" Boxes 6c and 8c On the Hawaiian Certificate of Live birth the name of the Long form in 1969), Obama's father is listed as having been born in Kenya - a British commonwealth.

What is the significance of that?

Well, golly, just that it PROVES that Obama was NOT born under the Sole Jurisdiction of the United States - Is not a Natural Born Citizen because he was born under the jurisdiction of TWO nations. In the debates on the 14th Amendment, the Honorable John Bingham deliberately stated, and was unchallenged on defining a Natural Born Citizenship as having been born under the Sole Jurisdiction of the United States!

Remember, it is the SHORT FORM which is Prima Facie evidence, it serves in a court of law. Yet, it does NOT contain the information absolutely NECESSARY in determining Natural Born Citizenship!!! The evidence of Barack being born under two Jurisdictions has NOT been presented as Prima Facie Evidence!!! It is legally UNPROVEN!!

Is THIS why Obama refuses to provide it? Because once he does.... the two jurisdictions issue is literally out of the bag... and public evidence! It also proves him to be an usurper.

Barack Obama's continued pretense in the Oval Office is 100% dependent on keeping his original Long Form Birth Certificate unpublished and unreleased! That is pure insanity.

Now, that Prima Facie evidence, the Short Form COLB only includes certain details, and does NOT include Parents Birthplace. In the case of determining Natural Born Citizenship, THE PARENTS BIRTH PLACE MUST BE KNOWN. Once it is, Obama has nothing to hide behind.
43 posted on 04/26/2011 1:30:40 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: milwguy

“Carney said the document can be used to get a driver’s license, and that anyone who was born in Hawaii uses the same documentation.”

And one of Obama’s half-sisters, born in Indonesia uses that same documentation Damn those distracting facts.


44 posted on 04/26/2011 1:31:48 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Rational Thought

See post 43. It does not prove Obama a Natural Born Citizen because it does not list the birthplace of his parents.

Natural Born Citizenship is as dependent on the Parents Citizenship as it is the place of birth. Both MUST be citizens. Otherwise the child inherits the citizenship of the foreign parent, particularly when it’s Daddy’s citizenship!

Yea... the more I think about it, the more this makes sense. As long as the information which GENERATED the COLB is unpublished and formally unknown, it isn’t evidence. It could be just that simple. By relying on the COLB, it continues to successfully prevent the legal declaration that his father was British, because until it is released, it is legal hersay?? Is that it? Could it be that simple?


45 posted on 04/26/2011 1:40:39 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: little jeremiah; STARWISE; rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; ...

Ping to post 43, and this one, post 45.


46 posted on 04/26/2011 1:45:14 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: raygunfan

Well, interestingly, Chris Matthews did, of all people. But beyond that that there has been the constant false assertion that a COLB is a “birth certificate,” which it clearly is not.


47 posted on 04/26/2011 1:46:38 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Danae

Thanks for the pings. What is especially disturbing is how people know something stinks and yet they all have Stockholm syndrome, are quislings, or support the fiend and don’t care how many lies or crimes are committed.

They actively do not want the truth to be shown. It’s beyond disgusting and horrible and is destroying all faith in government because more and more people know now that head of gov is a fraud and all the rest of ‘em (say 95% or more) are aiding and abetting, even if by silence.


48 posted on 04/26/2011 1:50:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Here on FR they have said the video was doctored and Obama did not say that.


49 posted on 04/26/2011 1:51:24 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: raygunfan

True enough. The Short form doesn’t show the location of the PARENTS birth! That is as ESSENTIAL in determining Natural Born Citizenship as the location of the child’s birth!!!!!

A COLB doesn’t have that information does it? So the Prima Facie evidence Obama points at, doesn’t prove he is a Natural Born Citizen. It proves he has Hawaiian documents. Thats it. Only the document which GENERATED that COLB has the information needed to determine Natural Born Citizenship and that is PRECISELY what Obama does NOT want to talk about, because one MUST have two parents who are citizens at the time of birth, otherwise the child inherits that foreign Parent’s Nationality, particularly Daddy’s Nationality.

Obama REALLY does NOT want to be talking about that!


50 posted on 04/26/2011 1:52:55 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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