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Texas City residents ordered to stay indoors as more refineries lose power
AP ^ | 04/26/2011 | Juan A. Lozano

Posted on 04/26/2011 12:25:39 PM PDT by DallasDeb

TEXAS CITY, Texas (AP) — Three refineries, including a BP unit where a 2005 explosion killed 15 people, and a Dow Chemical plant lost electricity in outages that led to shelter-in-place emergency alerts and the cancellation of public schools Tuesday in Texas City.

The source of the power outages was still being sought, emergency officials said.

A second shelter-in-place alert, advising residents to stay indoors, was issued around 5:30 a.m. Tuesday after a Valero refinery also lost power, Texas City Homeland Security coordinator Bruce Clawson said.

A BP refinery, site of the deadly March 2005 accident that also left 170 people hurt, and the Dow Chemical plant lost power around 11 p.m. Monday. The initial shelter-in-place order took effect after those two outages, but was lifted around 3 a.m. Tuesday, Clawson said.

Around 4:40 a.m. Tuesday, electricity was lost at the Valero and Marathon Oil refineries, which activated their flare systems, the Galveston County Daily News reported.

Marathon quickly brought its power situation under control, Clawson said.

BP spokesman Michael Marr said a fire broke out at the refinery shortly after the power went out but crews were able to put it out. There were no injuries at the refinery, Marr said.

The city and BP reported no emissions of hazardous materials in the area, said George Fuller, assistant emergency management coordinator for the city.

"There was constant monitoring going on at all times and it did not reveal anything, although there's a strong smell of hydrocarbons in the air," Clawson told The Associated Press.

At the BP plant, workers were seen going into the plant around sunrise Tuesday, reporting for their shifts


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: frontpage; poweroutage; refineries
I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but how does power go out at three different refineries? Is this part of a plan to shut down Texas refineries, like the government just shut down a major Texas oil well? Can you envision the EPA demanding they shut down because of the danger to the environment (not to people--the EPA couldn't care less about humans. Lizards, yes; people, no.
1 posted on 04/26/2011 12:25:42 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: DallasDeb

just because it’s a conspiracy doesn’t mean it’s not true. Evidence would indicate that obamby is intent on breaking all the states that will not vote for him, or have worked against him in some way. That includes most southern states.


2 posted on 04/26/2011 12:29:36 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: DallasDeb
Oh boy!

Now Barry has a flimsy excuse to do something draconian to the refineries, like shut them down!

That won't affect the price of gas though, and you are a racist if you say it will.

3 posted on 04/26/2011 12:29:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: DallasDeb

George Soros.


4 posted on 04/26/2011 12:29:53 PM PDT by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: DallasDeb

After reading about the refineries in Texas, this came to mind. Found it this morning on The Post & Email blog.

Treason in America: Martial Law

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/26/treason-in-america-martial-law/


6 posted on 04/26/2011 12:32:25 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

LOL!

I would LOVE to see Obama try and shut down the Texas oil refineries, in fact I would PAY to see him try.

You want to see the brown stuff hit the big fan at about mach2? That would do it.


7 posted on 04/26/2011 12:34:27 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: DallasDeb

Now that is a conspiracy I could believe.


8 posted on 04/26/2011 12:35:55 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: DallasDeb

Now that is a conspiracy I could believe.


9 posted on 04/26/2011 12:36:27 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: DallasDeb

The story in Houston is that it has been SO dry in Texas that salt is accumulating on the insulators on the transmission lines. ERCOT confirms that the outages are on company assets internal to the plant, and that other customers are not affected.

Usually the rain keeps the salt off. No rain for a long time here.


10 posted on 04/26/2011 12:39:48 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Abathar
Careful what you wish for.

President Cloward-Piven's only purpose in office is to overwhelm the system.

And anything that helps him accomplish that goal is on the table.

11 posted on 04/26/2011 12:40:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You would have a Republican President and super majorities in both houses come November.

And a very tired but proud Texas Nation Guard returning to their armories in January.


12 posted on 04/26/2011 12:46:03 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: WVNan
Evidence would indicate that obamby is intent on breaking all the states that will not vote for him

I would say that for once I'm grateful to be in California, except that Jerry Brown and our perpetually Democrat assembly are happily destroying California without Obama's help.

13 posted on 04/26/2011 12:47:15 PM PDT by giotto
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To: DallasDeb

“Once is a coincidence, twice is happenstance, three times is enemy action.”


14 posted on 04/26/2011 12:47:39 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Abathar

http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/g/087c2748-2c6e-457d-864c-b6b89cc50e00

And yet I am not catching that pungent aroma....

EPA...shut it down.


15 posted on 04/26/2011 12:49:12 PM PDT by Adder (Part 1 Accomplished)
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To: SpinnerWebb
ERCOT confirms that the outages are on company assets internal to the plant, and that other customers are not affected.

But for 3 different companies?

My employer installs outdoor electronic systems near salt water (east coast, west coast, Florida, Houston) and we are required to use equipment that will not be affected by salt. I'm surprised that refineries wouldn't have similar protection.

16 posted on 04/26/2011 12:52:04 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: DallasDeb
The source of the power outages was still being sought, emergency officials said.

CLUE:


17 posted on 04/26/2011 1:04:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Adder

That is oil production, not refining. The EPA needs to be overhauled and their power crippled but not completely removed IMHO.

Leave someone to throw a flag up but remove all powers over penalties and enforcement. Let each state handle their own backyard and make the decisions that impact them, like the Constitution was suppose to guarantee.

Hell, go so far as to turn all ownership of federal land back to the states as well except for active military bases while you’re at it.

*sigh* To be king for just one day...


18 posted on 04/26/2011 1:04:50 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: DallasDeb

Events like this remind us that it is important to have stored food and water. And to have some means of getting power and cooking food, too.


19 posted on 04/26/2011 1:12:21 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: DallasDeb
The EPA will probably issue a total shut down order for these refineries while they investigate, fine, re-regulate and procrcrastinate.
20 posted on 04/26/2011 1:23:35 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: DallasDeb

It is not electronic equipment. It is plant distribution power lines like you have running overhead through a neighborhood. Those insulators require washing in coastal areas. They are bought with extra distance (surface area) in that environment.

If there is not rain, many place actually have a washing program with hoses.

More likely that only one had serious fault and there was a cascading outage before the systems could be isolated.


21 posted on 04/26/2011 1:36:48 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney

You sound like a man who knows based on your profile. Thanks for the info.


22 posted on 04/26/2011 2:10:12 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: DallasDeb
I started in the electric utility business. I now do work for refineries and other oil/gas industry.

I've bought those insulators for that area. I've instructed plant engineers how to estimate when to hire a washing crew.

And I used to watch the morning dew cause minor arcs from my beach house after a dry spell in the pre-dawn light.

23 posted on 04/26/2011 2:25:21 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: DallasDeb

“I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut”

Why? Our government runs on conspiracies.


24 posted on 04/26/2011 2:25:51 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: thackney

“And I used to watch the morning dew cause minor arcs from my beach house after a dry spell in the pre-dawn light.”

Ahh - those romantic memories.


25 posted on 04/26/2011 2:30:54 PM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: DallasDeb

More than likely it’s due to a salt buildup on the power lines.

It’s been so dry here in Texas there has been no rain to wash the salt off of the lines so it will build up.

When you do get moisture on the lines it will short them out.

It’s common on the coast.


26 posted on 04/26/2011 2:37:48 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: thackney

Hmmm...

From your posts, I get the ‘feeling’ of “No big deal - nothing to see here”, - how does that square with these details from the article??

” outages that led to shelter-in-place emergency alerts and the cancellation of public schools Tuesday in Texas City.”

” A second shelter-in-place alert, advising residents to stay indoors, was issued around 5:30 a.m. “

” Around 4:40 a.m. Tuesday, electricity was lost at the Valero and Marathon Oil refineries, which activated their flare systems,”

” BP spokesman Michael Marr said a fire broke out at the refinery “

“There was constant monitoring going on at all times and it did not reveal anything, although there’s a strong smell of hydrocarbons in the air,”

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Even though, apparently, everything was pretty much brought under control, these details seem, to me, to add up to something more than “no big deal”.....


27 posted on 04/26/2011 2:46:35 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

Refineries don’t have very efficient off switches.

There is a lot of product moving through the systems at significant heat and pressures. Some of those refineries have combined chemical units that have toxic components.

Sending large amounts to flares is the reality of an unscheduled shutdown.

Normal shutdown to avoid the flares would take a couple shifts for a whole refinery at the fastest.


28 posted on 04/26/2011 3:41:53 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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