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Will Unions Clip Boeing's Wings?
IBD Editorials ^ | April 26, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 04/26/2011 6:14:10 PM PDT by Kaslin

Big Labor: Can a union that workers voted out and a government agency with an anti-business agenda tell America's largest exporter in which state it can create jobs? Is this revenge for Wisconsin?

Hell hath no fury like unions whose power is being challenged, and unions are not happy after Gov. Scott Walker's victory for democracy over angry union mobs in Wisconsin and similar moves by governors in other states such as John Kasich's Ohio. They want their pound of capitalist flesh.

So they, in the form of the International Association of Machinists, have called upon their wholly owned subsidiary, the National Labor Relations Board — whose job it is to bully business on labor's behalf — to file a complaint against Boeing for expanding into the right-to-work state of South Carolina.

"We absolutely will not accept the bullying. This is a direct assault on right-to-work states," South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley told National Review Online. "I want to ask (President Obama) why he is allowing unelected bureaucrats to come in and do the unions' dirty work on the backs of our businesses."

The answer is simple: This is not about jobs or even workers' rights. It's about creating more union jobs to pay dues, money that can be spent electing Democrats.

The NLRB complaint alleges that Boeing wants to build its new 787 Dreamliner in North Charleston, S.C., instead of at its Puget Sound facility in Washington state in retaliation against the International Association of Machinists for strikes such as a two-month-long work stoppage in 2008 that cost the company $1.8 billion.

The IAM filed its complaint in March 2010. But while charging retaliation, it could not demonstrate any harm. The facility in South Carolina is new and takes no pre-existing jobs away from Puget Sound.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: South Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: boeing; ibd; johnkasich; nlrb; obama; righttowork; rtw; scottwalker; southcarolina; unions; washington; wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 04/26/2011 6:14:14 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Union thuggery at its finest. Criminals, plain and simple


2 posted on 04/26/2011 6:16:29 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On.......Fight Like a Girl!!...............Saracuda in 2012)
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To: Kaslin

Ya know... Our good neighbors to the North, Canada... would really like these jobs too. If I was Boeing, I’d go that route offer it to the Canadians..., tie this all up for 2 years until we throw Obozo out of office. Throw him and his socialist pig tugs curve ball after curve ball and tie them up in court....


3 posted on 04/26/2011 6:17:39 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Kaslin

Boeing may just call it quits in the state of Washington.

They’ve considered it before, and this would give them the little shove to move on to a better business climate.

Frankly, I hope they do. It will put a stake right through the heart of The Peoples Republic of Seattle/Tacoma.


4 posted on 04/26/2011 6:18:19 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

I remember a billboard in Seattle when their SST contract went south. It read, “will the last person out of Seattle, please turn out the lights!”


5 posted on 04/26/2011 6:23:05 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On.......Fight Like a Girl!!...............Saracuda in 2012)
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To: Kaslin

Fine then. Build those planes in China, just like the union wants.


6 posted on 04/26/2011 6:25:08 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Kaslin

If Boeing had any balls whatsoever, it would have “Dixie” playing on a loop in the background every time they had a meeting with another Union thug up in Seattle.


7 posted on 04/26/2011 6:27:21 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Minn sez your feets stink...)
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To: Kaslin
What's next? Will Barry and his thugs move on to individuals and tell them what states they are allowed to live in? Will they institute internal passports?
8 posted on 04/26/2011 6:27:49 PM PDT by JPG ("Mr. President, GAME ON." - Sarah Palin)
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To: Kaslin

These union retards aren’t going to understand that Boeing didn’t move its corporate headquarters to Chicago for the weather, until it’s too late.


9 posted on 04/26/2011 6:29:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: taildragger

>Ya know... Our good neighbors to the North, Canada... would really like these jobs too. If I was Boeing, I’d go that route offer it to the Canadians..., tie this all up for 2 years until we throw Obozo out of office.<

You’re kidding , right? Canada is the socialist beacon for the liberals. Heck, I;m from there. The CAW makes the UAW look like choir boys and almost kicked out Ford but managed to tie the F series to be made in canada. The doctors and nurses in every province is more militant than any SEIU rally, and have been known to rally even during surgery times. My GF was from the powerful BC Nurses Union and got tired of the politics. Every facet of the provincial and federal government is union-friendly and they would make sure that their contracts are tied up until eternity.


10 posted on 04/26/2011 6:34:20 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: SatinDoll

This is gonna cost for friends and family here in Washington but I hope that they do too.


11 posted on 04/26/2011 6:36:34 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Kaslin
Workers of the world unite!

.. and the ChiCom-controlled unions in Red China are having "our" unions do whatever it takes to get Boeing to offshore what's left of the company here moved to Red China to join what's already there. I bet.

12 posted on 04/26/2011 6:42:39 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kaslin

I guess this is when the producers start heading for Galt’s Gulch.


14 posted on 04/26/2011 6:44:57 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: Kaslin

I was a member of this union when I worked for The Milwaukee Road railroad. Had to be to work there. That railroad no longer exists.


15 posted on 04/26/2011 6:48:29 PM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: SatinDoll
Boeing may just call it quits in the state of Washington. They’ve considered it before, and this would give them the little shove to move on to a better business climate. Frankly, I hope they do. It will put a stake right through the heart of The Peoples Republic of Seattle/Tacoma.

I agree whole heartedly.

16 posted on 04/26/2011 6:53:28 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: rockrr

yes. I understand as it will my friends and family as well, but I do hope they give Seattle the big middle and move on.


17 posted on 04/26/2011 6:55:31 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: SatinDoll
There's plenty of room in Texas..

...Denison/Sherman has the former Perrin AFB with 9000 ft long runway which will handle the largest aircraft.

Waco..the former James Connally AFB where Pres Bush landed in AF1 when he went to Crawford...a former B-52 overhaul center.

Austin...Bergstrom AFB, now Austin International.

Boeing could do business here without union interference....

....and ought to.

...BTW....what would the US look like if the unions hadn't run all the manufacturing business out of the country? Maybe we would have a 30 trillion economy instead of 13 trillion...

...if it was 30 trillion, we could actually support the hyphenated class: deadbeat-Amerians....and have money left over.

18 posted on 04/26/2011 6:57:00 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: Kaslin

Boeing is between a rock and a hard place.Gubmint contracts and trying to expand in right to work states.Guess they will have to wait till Sarah Palin is president to expand.None of the rest of the candidates will go up against the unions.


19 posted on 04/26/2011 7:00:28 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: taildragger

The Air Force Tanker issue was about having a Boeing tanker made in America.

Unions will result in Boeing aircraft no longer made in the USA either.

Atlas Shrugging.


20 posted on 04/26/2011 7:01:23 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Ping


21 posted on 04/26/2011 7:01:27 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: SatinDoll
As nice as that would be, it will never happen, not in a million years.

Seattle/Everett is still the center of gravity for commercial aircraft production. Their cadre of core employees, sort of the "NCO's" of the engineering and production communities, are all multi-generational townies and will not leave.

Not that I'm a big fan of union fascists, but Boeing is getting what it deserves from its formerly BFF, Pres_ent Zero. It is a very, very liberal company (the commercial aviation side that is, defense is a different culture) so I see this as the commies eating their own.

22 posted on 04/26/2011 7:01:36 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: B.O. Plenty

All nice places, but I think Obama and his stacked NLRB are trying to prove that nowhere inside the US will be far enough away to move. If Boeing can’t run a factory in SC, and has to bolt from WA, they aren’t going to stop at the border, that’s for sure.


23 posted on 04/26/2011 7:02:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

They were idiots to move to Chicago. They should have gone to Dallas or Atlanta.


24 posted on 04/26/2011 7:02:42 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: liberty_lvr
Seattle/Everett is still the center of gravity for commercial aircraft production.

You do know that was not the first industry or city that's been said of, right?

25 posted on 04/26/2011 7:04:48 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: Kaslin

Boeing doesn’t HAVE to build planes in the US - they can leave the country as so many other businesses have done in the past to avoid the commie leftist morons that have infested our government.


26 posted on 04/26/2011 7:06:42 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Kaslin

I heard Governor Haley talking to Laura Ingraham about this on yesterday’s show, and I couldn’t figure out what standing the NLRB was trying to use as cover to halt Boeing work in SC. As close as I could tell, they seemed to think it was improper for Boeing to be aware of the labor laws of various states and locate new operations in the states with the laws most favorable to their interests. What a ludicrous position. If that’s all they have to stand on, I’d love to see that one sorted out in open court.


27 posted on 04/26/2011 7:14:07 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Kaslin; Scanian; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; ...
RE :” So they, in the form of the International Association of Machinists, have called upon their wholly owned subsidiary, the National Labor Relations Board — whose job it is to bully business on labor's behalf — to file a complaint against Boeing for expanding into the right-to-work state of South Carolina.... The NLRB complaint alleges that Boeing wants to build its new 787 Dreamliner in North Charleston, S.C., instead of at its Puget Sound facility in Washington state in retaliation against the International Association of Machinists for strikes such as a two-month-long work stoppage in 2008 that cost the company $1.8 billion. The IAM filed its complaint in March 2010. But while charging retaliation, it could not demonstrate any harm. The facility in South Carolina is new and takes no pre-existing jobs away from Puget Sound.

I saw this on FNC Cavuto the past two days, Jim DeMint was on one of them as a guest talking about it.

Obama is sueing a company for opening a new plant in a Right-to-Work state SC. This is one of those Marxist like actions that I wish Republicans like Boehner would scream murder about. This is perfect to (message) tie to Obama and the high unemployment. At least I can dream they would.

Another great post by Kaslin.

28 posted on 04/26/2011 7:16:16 PM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Cyber Liberty
I assume you are referring to Detroit? :)

Different scenario - Boeing Commercial is presently thriving and actually growing in Seattle. While conservatives may hate to admit it, that success is as much because of the union as it is despite the unions. Many of them are hard working, talented and skilled people.

No, they are quite comfortable there and have no reason to leave. It suits their culture perfectly.

29 posted on 04/26/2011 7:29:42 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: SatinDoll
They’ve considered it before, and this would give them the little shove to move on to a better business climate.

Actually, they're being harassed by the National Labor Relations Board, so it wouldn't help. Probably should do it anyway.

30 posted on 04/26/2011 7:31:50 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: meyer

Where would the Skunk Works projects continue?


31 posted on 04/26/2011 7:33:51 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: Kaslin; Publius; Billthedrill
The National Labor Relations Board — whose job it is to bully business on labor's behalf — has filed a complaint against Boeing for expanding into the right-to-work state of South Carolina.

Outlawing business moves to states with rational laws?? Dangit! Atlas Shrugged was meant as fiction, NOT a damn manual!

32 posted on 04/26/2011 7:35:46 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: liberty_lvr

Does this one large company think they can wag the industry’s dog? If Boeing thinks being screwed out of it’s SC facility is just grand (and I don’t rule that line of thought out), then the entire company will be gone inside of a few decades. There is no such thing as “Too big to fail.”


33 posted on 04/26/2011 7:36:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: B4Ranch

Skunk Works is part of Lockheed Martin.


34 posted on 04/26/2011 7:36:36 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: B4Ranch
Where would the Skunk Works projects continue?

That was a Northrop thing in SoCal, so it's probably against all sorts of "workplace safety" regs now anyway.

35 posted on 04/26/2011 7:37:39 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: liberty_lvr

BTW, love your tag. And...I am sure aircraft workers are a bit different than auto workers...


36 posted on 04/26/2011 7:39:21 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: liberty_lvr
No, they are quite comfortable there and have no reason to leave. It suits their culture perfectly.

If they are so comfortable why would they not simply expand in WA instead of looking to expand in SC?

37 posted on 04/26/2011 7:49:32 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.


38 posted on 04/26/2011 8:37:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: raptor22

It’s only a matter of time before they close up shop and move. Hopefully they will stay in the US, but it would not surprise me if they didn’t.


39 posted on 04/26/2011 8:50:35 PM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: pnh102

Lots of skilled aviation workers in Brazil, too.


40 posted on 04/26/2011 9:27:48 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Kaslin

At our Puget Sound Apartment Owners’ Association meeting tonight we had a guest speaker from our regional Economic Development Council (a quasi-government entity). He seemed very sure of himself when he said the Dreamliner would be built here in Seattle.


41 posted on 04/26/2011 9:43:08 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: kickonly88
I was a member of this union when I worked for The Milwaukee Road railroad. Had to be to work there. That railroad no longer exists.

I doubt the Milwaukee Road's unions helped matters (a la Rock Island Lines), but that railroad's December 1977 bankruptcy actually allowed it to downsize and reorganize into a profitable system (helped out by the rate-making freedoms allowed under the Staggers Act). So much so, that the Chicago & North Western and Soo Line started a bidding war for the carrier. The latter won out, and much of the Milwaukee Road is now part of the Canadian Pacific, and also some shortline and regional railroads.
42 posted on 04/26/2011 9:49:10 PM PDT by railroader
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To: Kaslin

What’s to stop Boeing from moving out of the country? I am sure Japan would love to have an assembly line.


43 posted on 04/26/2011 11:57:30 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: Still Thinking

Northrop is proudly a NONUNION aircraft division company. Yes even in Kalifornia!


44 posted on 04/27/2011 12:02:22 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: SatinDoll

It would serve the state right. WA is an embarrassment to the Republic.


45 posted on 04/27/2011 12:07:11 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Cyber Liberty
Actually, Boeing is the industry. There are no other large aircraft manufacturers in the US, and only Airbus over in Europe (until the Chinese finish stealing the technology they need to start up their own). So yes, they will wag the whole dog because they are the dog.

They will not be screwed out of the new facility. This is nothing more than a shakedown and Boeing knows it. The plant is already established and scheduled to begin production in July of this year. All that's left to be settled is how much blood money has to be paid to the IAM, as decided by Obama's goons on the NLRB.

BTW, this new plant is a model of modern green technology and energy efficiency - technologies heavily subsidized by federal money. Look at this as Boeing helping it's buddy Zero funnel more tax payer dollars to his union pals by passing along some of that federal largesse.

46 posted on 04/27/2011 5:28:02 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Drill Gaia like a 3 am prom date)
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To: railroader

I remember the way the union always did things for the good of the union not necessarily the good of the company.


47 posted on 04/27/2011 6:26:57 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

How bad are things in Seattle if you have to move to Chicago for a more business-friendly climate?


48 posted on 04/27/2011 6:27:05 AM PDT by jmcenanly ( "We pay a person the compliment of acknowledging his superiority whenever we lie to him." -Samuel)
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To: NWFLConservative; Bockscar; Kaslin

Can you believe these labor cartels are complaining about Boeing’s “retaliation,” due to THEIR OWN price fixing & restraint-of-trade practices?

These unions are a bunch of Marxist bullies.

Union “organizers” should be doing the Perp Walk — and Boeing deserves a settlement for DAMAGES caused by protectionist labor cartel’s COLLUSIVE BEHAVIOR, INFLUENCE PEDDLING, ANTI-COMPETITIVE CONDUCT, RACKETEERING.


49 posted on 04/27/2011 6:44:17 AM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: pnh102

50 posted on 04/27/2011 6:47:07 AM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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