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State Department Wants To Make It Harder To Get A Passport
Consumer Traveler ^

Posted on 04/26/2011 7:04:34 PM PDT by Yet_Again

If you don’t want it to get even harder for a U.S. citizen to get a passport — now required for travel even to Canada or Mexico — you only have until Monday to let the State Department know.

The U.S. Department of State is proposing a new Biographical Questionnaire for some passport applicants: The proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers’ and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother’s address one year prior to your birth; any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth; and a variety of other information. According to the proposed form, “failure to provide the information requested may result in … the denial of your U.S. passport application.”

(Excerpt) Read more at consumertraveler.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cwiiping; dictatorship; government; passport; travel
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Unfortunately the amount of traffic seems to have crashed Consumer Travelrer's servers.

Beck's take on it can be found here:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/04/26/why-doesnt-gov-want-you-to-have-a-passport/

I find this extremely concerning. While this may only apply to "some" Americans at first, we all know how that works. In the end, this could effectively turn into a paper Berlin wall.

Every dictatorship has always needed a mechanism to keep people in.

1 posted on 04/26/2011 7:04:38 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Yet_Again

Who doesn’t know the name, address and phone number of their mom’s gynecologist from 10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80 years ago?


2 posted on 04/26/2011 7:09:29 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (“An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.”)
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To: Yet_Again

Mother’s residence one year before my birth

Mother’s residence at time of my birth.

Mother’s residence one year after my birth

http://papersplease.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ds5513-proposed.pdf


3 posted on 04/26/2011 7:09:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: mewykwistmas

Dates of her neonatal care appointments damn near 50 years ago.


4 posted on 04/26/2011 7:10:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Yet_Again

I am glad that Glenn Beck got a ho;d of this because when I first read this earlier today, my bones shivered right down to my ‘38 ancestors!
Here we go again!
Gotta go President (future) Palin is on Greta!


5 posted on 04/26/2011 7:11:12 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Yet_Again

Of course, if you’re an illegal seeking welfare benefits - just put your “x” on the line and we’ll be happy to serve you.


6 posted on 04/26/2011 7:11:39 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Yet_Again

Obastard’s revenge.


7 posted on 04/26/2011 7:12:24 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: acapesket

It would make it virtually impossible for most people to get a passport.


8 posted on 04/26/2011 7:13:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

And every orphaned or adopted person knows this? I don’t fit either category and I sure as hell don’t know any of this and my mother is no longer in the picture. I guess I no longer have the option to visit other countries.


9 posted on 04/26/2011 7:14:41 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin/Bachmann, unbeatable.)
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To: Yet_Again

All the questions Obama won’t answer


10 posted on 04/26/2011 7:14:49 PM PDT by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province Let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: Yet_Again
Obama better keeps his current, there is no way under these new regs that he could get a renewal with his ability to recall and obtain past documents.
11 posted on 04/26/2011 7:15:08 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: doc1019

Another problem I would have is the fact that my birth wasn’t recorded at the time of my birth. The doc didn’t file my birth certificate till 3 years after I was born.


12 posted on 04/26/2011 7:16:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Yet_Again

It’s to keep Obama from getting a passport.

No way can he answer all those questions.


13 posted on 04/26/2011 7:18:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Yet_Again
any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth

I thought US passports didn't list religion. Are they changing that policy?

14 posted on 04/26/2011 7:25:11 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: magslinger

I’m not sure if they are going to list religion on the passport, but they certainly will collect that information - and that will be available to the bureaucrat who ultimately decides to give you a passport or not...

...and without a passport you are as much a prisoner in our modern world as you would have been in East Berlin 50 years ago.


15 posted on 04/26/2011 7:27:06 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Yet_Again

Who’s going to run the background check? And with what money?


16 posted on 04/26/2011 7:29:30 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Iron Munro

Zipcodes long before zip codes existed.


17 posted on 04/26/2011 7:30:24 PM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Yet_Again

I have read the article in its entirety, researched the subject extensively on the Internet and still can’t find an adequate need for all this information just to get a passport. All I needed for my original passport was to produce an original birth certificate or a certified copy issued by my home state.


18 posted on 04/26/2011 7:34:30 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin/Bachmann, unbeatable.)
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To: mylife

Perhaps no one will run the background check, mylife. Perhaps you’ll simply be denied a passport...


19 posted on 04/26/2011 7:35:19 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Yet_Again

All this from the Kenyan raised in Indonesia as a muslim and attending universities as a foreign exchange student in the US.


20 posted on 04/26/2011 7:37:51 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Yet_Again; blam; CodeToad; hiredhand; Squantos; Black Agnes; dennisw; Beelzebubba
The USSA is cracking down in their TSA/Border Guard/SS perspective of the comrade citizens. Tougher passport controls is a good step in the police state direction. And you can magically approve the passports of your friends, and deny those of your enemies and persons you want staying home. Like denying the vote on literacy tests where the test giver chooses the words to spell. It gives you virtual veto over anybody’s passport.

It's so USSR.

How long until we see currency export controls and other Eurosocialist/Soviet controls on freedom? The IRS is already inside of every account you have anywhere in the world. THink you can open an account outside of Uncle Sam's reach or knowledge? One, you can't and two, you just committed felonies.

Could you have imagined mandatory crotch grabbing “terrorism searches” of small children in airports a decade ago?

What happened to the land of the free?

Welcome to the USSA, comrades.

21 posted on 04/26/2011 7:38:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Yet_Again

Every single day there is some marxist crap from this tyrant. He’s going to decree all the Dream Act crap too. Dictator by Fiat. He’s going down hard like all dictators do. Just like Mubarack or Hussein or you pick em.


22 posted on 04/26/2011 7:40:25 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: cripplecreek; spodefly; Joe Brower; Lurker; Jack Black

See 21 please.


23 posted on 04/26/2011 7:41:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: magslinger

Circumcision performed? It’s on there.


24 posted on 04/26/2011 7:41:24 PM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: cripplecreek

“In addition to this primary use of the data, the DS-5513 may also be used as evidence in the prosecution of any individual who makes a false statement on the application and for other uses as set forth in the Prefatory Statement and the Passport System of Records Notice (State-26).”


25 posted on 04/26/2011 7:42:21 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (“An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.”)
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To: Yet_Again

Good point.


26 posted on 04/26/2011 7:42:28 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Yet_Again

Too late. Obama already got one!


27 posted on 04/26/2011 7:43:05 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Yet_Again

The commissars would prefer that the comrades not go abroad too much. Stay home and work, comrades. No escaping the USSA.


28 posted on 04/26/2011 7:43:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mewykwistmas

The perjury clause felony threat will make most comrades say the hell with it. I’ll stay home.

Welcome to the USSA, comrades. No escape.


29 posted on 04/26/2011 7:48:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I’ll be honest, as someone who grew up people risking their lives to get over the Berlin Wall, this is perhaps the most concerning development I’ve seen in America in the course of my lifetime. When you shift from a nation that has to keep people out to one that is setting up the mechanisms to keep people in, a very serious line has been crossed.


30 posted on 04/26/2011 7:55:21 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Yet_Again

Or any part of Germany 70 years ago.


31 posted on 04/26/2011 7:58:50 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: Yet_Again; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ...
And while they are checking your papers and your fingerprints (digitally scanned) and your DNA swab (now approved), to see if you can leave the Homeland, they can direct your wife and children to the crotch-groping line. And if you get lippy about it, comrade, we'll arrest you and ruin you. So shut up and take it.

CW2 Ping


32 posted on 04/26/2011 8:04:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Yet_Again; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ...
And while they are checking your papers and your fingerprints (digitally scanned) and your DNA swab (now approved), to see if you can leave the Homeland, they can direct your wife and children to the crotch-groping line. And if you get lippy about it, comrade, we'll arrest you and ruin you. So shut up and take it.

CW2 Ping


33 posted on 04/26/2011 8:05:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Yet_Again

Of course they’re making it chrd to get a passport.
You can’t run a proper dictatorship if you allow people out of the country.


34 posted on 04/26/2011 8:06:22 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama did not learn incompetence; he was born to it.)
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To: Yet_Again

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42765513/ns/travel-travel_tips/

This article suggests that all this extra data is needed ONLY IF YOU CAN’T SUPPLY A BIRTH CERTIFICATE

apology for shouting but I’m laughing so hard I’m rolling on the floor!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/04/passports-and-freedom-to-leave/237858/

This one states the form is for
1) wants a passport and 2) “wasn’t born in a medical facility” (or didn’t have their birth recorded within a year of it happening).

http://papersplease.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ds5513-proposed.pdf

Above is the form itself.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/proposed-passport-questionnaire-asks-are-you-circumcised/

This one restates the “no birth cert” issue.

So if you have a valid BC, you are OK, even if you plan to travel to Pakistan.

ROTFL


35 posted on 04/26/2011 8:08:56 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Travis McGee

“No one leaves without leaving all your valuables at the station”- A. Hitler circa 1936


36 posted on 04/26/2011 8:13:20 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: mewykwistmas

The proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers’ and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother’s address one year prior to your birth; any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth; and a variety of other information.

THIS SOUNDS LIKE INFORMATION HUSSEIN OBAMA SHOULD BE PROVIDING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC RIGHT NOW!!!


37 posted on 04/26/2011 8:13:46 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Yet_Again
No escape!

By his 3rd or 4th term crossing state borders will require the same documentation...

38 posted on 04/26/2011 8:15:06 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Travis McGee
Ausweis bitte...
39 posted on 04/26/2011 8:15:54 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

The new Berlin Wall is built of paperwork and red tape instead of concrete and steel.

Either way, you will have a hell of a time escaping, comrade.


40 posted on 04/26/2011 8:20:20 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Travis McGee

What? Who in their right mind would want to leave the lovely third world shithole they’re creating?


41 posted on 04/26/2011 8:25:43 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: DBrow
This article suggests that all this extra data is needed ONLY IF YOU CAN’T SUPPLY A BIRTH CERTIFICATE

For now.
42 posted on 04/26/2011 8:25:52 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: spodefly
The new Berlin Wall is built of paperwork and red tape instead of concrete and steel.

Oh, you can bet there is a lot of concrete and steel backing up the paperwork and red tape.
43 posted on 04/26/2011 8:27:57 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: mosesdapoet
All the questions Obama won’t answer

Maybe that's the whole point. Maybe this is his idea to score some answers with authenticity that he can use for himself.

44 posted on 04/26/2011 8:29:40 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Yet_Again

We must be punished for questioning the “WAN’S” eligibility...


45 posted on 04/26/2011 8:31:26 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: Yet_Again

You don’t find it amusing that the proposed regulation is for those “not born in a medical facility”, with no BC, or didn’t register birth within a year? I do.

In Hawaii you could get a COLB if your parents could show Hawaiian residence, and you had been born within a year or so of the request. Not sure when this changed but I think it was 197-something.

Oddly this State Department change seems to aim right at that, funny, eh?

The whole thing is quite strange, i wonder just where this came from. Hillary?


46 posted on 04/26/2011 8:33:56 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Yet_Again

So Obama couldn’t possibly get a passport then.


47 posted on 04/26/2011 8:41:26 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Travis McGee

BLOAT, cache, take names.


48 posted on 04/26/2011 8:43:11 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Yet_Again

I presume our president would be exempt


49 posted on 04/26/2011 8:44:17 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Yet_Again

They are trying to keep wealthy people trapped in the country when SHTF.


50 posted on 04/26/2011 8:45:12 PM PDT by Husker24
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