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Ron Paul announces presidential run, says Obama can't win youth vote
CBS News ^ | 4/26/11 | Stephanie Condon

Posted on 04/26/2011 7:09:29 PM PDT by Bokababe

....Part of Paul's fervent support in 2008 was grounded in college-aged voters, a constituency that also largely favored Barack Obama. In this campaign, the 75-year-old Paul said today, Mr. Obama won't be able to hang on to the youth vote.

"I think that Obama will not be able to hang on to that enthusiasm of the young people because of what's happened in the last couple years," Paul said in Des Moines, Iowa, after his exploratory committee was announced.

The financial crisis, the bloated deficit and the ongoing wars make the libertarian views Paul is known for -- such as his anti-interventionist foreign policy and his antipathy toward the Federal Reserve -- even more relevant than in 2008, Paul suggested....

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; elections2012; libertarian; obama; paul; paul2012; pork; ronpaul; ronpaul2012; shrimp; youthvote
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I think he's right and there isn't another Republican out there that can bring in the youth vote like Ron Paul, which well could be Barrack Obama's Achilles heel.
1 posted on 04/26/2011 7:09:32 PM PDT by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

So? wRONg PAUL has shown he can’t win 1% of the popular vote.


2 posted on 04/26/2011 7:11:22 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: Bokababe
So, we have 20%+ unemployment rate for youts ~ if Ron Paul starts selling red armbands to support his campaign, you'll know what sentiments he's tapping into.

I'd be afraid; very afraid.

3 posted on 04/26/2011 7:11:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bokababe

I don’t think he can win. Is he right? ya, but when people look in to his views they tend to sour on him. Plus at 75 he’s going to look like the geriatric ward on stage with Obama.


4 posted on 04/26/2011 7:12:01 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Bokababe

Not impressed, I heard him on Laura Ingraham a few months ago. He’s gutless in the face of the islamists. The fact that Jesse Ventura likes him should tell you something.


5 posted on 04/26/2011 7:13:32 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Bokababe

He’s right that Obama has lost the Indie/Youth vote. I hang out on some forums where there a lot of young Libertarians. Some voted for him.....others not. But I can tell you....they HATE him, now.


6 posted on 04/26/2011 7:13:44 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama's 2012 Slogan: "We've got what it takes, to take what you've got"!)
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To: Bokababe

Right on the Fed wrong on EVERY thing else.


7 posted on 04/26/2011 7:15:17 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: cableguymn

Agreed. He sounds good for the first 5 minutes but then he always takes a detour into the twilight zone. I don’t trust him for anything.


8 posted on 04/26/2011 7:15:50 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Bokababe

Funny how conservatives are so divided that in their own demise they will elect o for another term.


9 posted on 04/26/2011 7:18:19 PM PDT by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: Bokababe

There have been a few ballots where Ron Paul was my best choice...and so I voted for him. I’ll do it again if circumstances dictate.


10 posted on 04/26/2011 7:18:27 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Bokababe
Obama’s speech is at the cadence of a pastor's/preacher's,(it's uncanny for an unreligious person) and he's consistently calling our the population for it's faults and wrongs - this does not enamor the young voter. Plus there is no Bush/Cheney boooooogey man this go around.
11 posted on 04/26/2011 7:18:29 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Bokababe
I think he's right and there isn't another Republican out there that can bring in the youth vote like Ron Paul, which well could be Barrack Obama's Achilles heel.

I think trying to win the mush-head youth vote is really just not much of a priority. Ron Paul gets the pot head and anti-war crowd, I don't think that is a conservative party's target audience.

No matter how Paul supporters and paulbots try to spin it, the problem is Ron Paul is a libertarian and not a conservative. His voice is welcome in the Republican party, but he will never even come close to winning a GOP nomination.

Ron Paul is our version of Dennis Kucinich. A niche subsection of activists truly love him, but the vast majority of the party simply reject his message.

12 posted on 04/26/2011 7:18:59 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
...but then he always takes a detour into the twilight zone.

It must be that signpost up ahead... (music plays)

13 posted on 04/26/2011 7:19:24 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Bokababe; RushIsMyTeddyBear

Obama got 66% of the 18-29 year old vote last time, do you think that it will be less than 50% this time?


14 posted on 04/26/2011 7:19:29 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: gorush

No president with two first names! Ever!


15 posted on 04/26/2011 7:19:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Bokababe

What is humorous about this is Ron Paul feels he has “qualities” that would attract the same brainless skulls full of mush who voted for Obama.

Then people come on FR and say Ron Paul is the answer to our conservative problems.

Too funny...


16 posted on 04/26/2011 7:21:00 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Sax

uhhh, ps - no reason to turn into a Paulistinian.


17 posted on 04/26/2011 7:23:00 PM PDT by Sax
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To: ansel12

From what I’m sensing in the forums on the net.....he’s toast with the youth vote. JMHO, tho. The percentage...I’m unsure. I think it will be considerably LESS.


18 posted on 04/26/2011 7:23:00 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama's 2012 Slogan: "We've got what it takes, to take what you've got"!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Shuuuuush!...lol...Those disenfranchised youth will be looking for REAL ANSWERS....This time around...after having been burned and living his “Hope and Change”, will be ready for a radical change.....*G*...

they are not stupid...just naive....Sarah could light them up like fire crackers...They just haven't been made to make a hard decision yet...

19 posted on 04/26/2011 7:24:29 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: rlmorel

Paul and Gary Johnson can split the free market, surrender to the Islamists, pro-abortion, pro-drugs portion of the GOP vote. Is it possible to split one percent of the vote?


20 posted on 04/26/2011 7:24:54 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Revolting cat!

Benjamin Harrison, John Tyler, Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln (Linc on “The Mod Squad”), James K. Polk?


21 posted on 04/26/2011 7:25:15 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Then Obama would not even be in the race, because he only won the votes of the under 44 age groups in 2008.

We can all agree that the over 44s will be more against him than ever, so if he can’t win the youngers then we can claim victory right now.


22 posted on 04/26/2011 7:26:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Revolting cat!

I could have mentioned the John Adams...but I’m sure you would have called “Specious!”


23 posted on 04/26/2011 7:27:51 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Polk? Who names a kid POLK , middle name,surname ?


24 posted on 04/26/2011 7:29:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

OK, that one was a stretch. I think I heard it as a nick-name in my youth up here in midwest polka country...:{)


25 posted on 04/26/2011 7:31:58 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Bokababe

Stupid kids.

The crank will be 77 or 78 in 2012.


26 posted on 04/26/2011 7:32:23 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Bokababe

And you think Ron Paul, looking like a whiny, old duffer of an uncle, is going to attract the youth vote? You’re friggin’ crazy man...


27 posted on 04/26/2011 7:33:35 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: rlmorel

Funny and true... bingo!


28 posted on 04/26/2011 7:35:15 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: nopardons

...and, of course, William Henry Harrison, since we already included his grandson.


29 posted on 04/26/2011 7:37:09 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Bokababe

Paul takes a tough stand in the debates and then backs down in interviews.


30 posted on 04/26/2011 7:37:59 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: OldNewYork; dcwusmc; bamahead; djsherin; rabscuttle385; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; AuntB; ...

RP ping


31 posted on 04/26/2011 7:47:22 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: ansel12

Honestly....I can’t predict anything. I’m just picking up ‘rumblings’ on the internet.


32 posted on 04/26/2011 7:47:37 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama's 2012 Slogan: "We've got what it takes, to take what you've got"!)
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To: Patrick1

Yeah. I would agree but I’m not that concerned at all about a whack job like Ron Paul skewing the election.

I admit that I didn’t have any real animosity towards Ron Paul, as I couldn’t really find myself to pay attention to him. But when my younger sister became one of those glassy eyed Ron Paul supporters and also became a Code Pink supporter, that was nearly too much for me.

I think my sister is over that now (thank God) but it did change my perception of Ron Paul significantly. Hearing his name mentioned now tends to trigger a rise in my irritation level.


33 posted on 04/26/2011 7:55:55 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: gorush
Oh please...........................LOL

Some people have given boys the mother's maiden name as a given name, of the last name of some famous relative, and blacks gave their kids the full name of presidents, once they were allowed to name their own children; however, TAYLOR, as a girl's first name is a new phenomena.

Polk was more than a "stretch"!

What is more common, amongst a certain strata, are names that could be in any order, for pols, like MCGEORGE BUNDY; two last names.

Harrison is also not a common first name.

34 posted on 04/26/2011 8:00:49 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Bokababe

This circus needs a Ringmaster...not more clowns.


35 posted on 04/26/2011 8:01:03 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: dps.inspect

You know, most of us were young at one point or another… :-)

I really do try hard to find in my heart not to pillory the youth with respect to their values, politics, or outlook in general.

I do believe wholeheartedly in that quote supposedly attributed to Winston Churchill where he supposedly said: “If a man isn’t liberal at the age of 24, he hasn’t got heart. It is not a conservative at the age of 50, he hasn’t got a brain.”

But hard as I try, I just can’t suppress the contempt that I feel for them and their causes. I often feel irritated that these brains full of mush (as Rush Limbaugh likes to refer to them) are courted so strenuously by both parties. I’ve grown to feel the exact same way about those idiotic and brain-dead “Independent voters”.


36 posted on 04/26/2011 8:01:25 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Bokababe

And Ron Paul Supports Ground Zero Mosque; ‘You’re Closing The Door On What Makes America -per BB

I say this SOB has lost before he begins.


37 posted on 04/26/2011 8:03:30 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: Bokababe

Ron Paul’s candidacy is good for the national debate. Let’s see how he does with the youth vote in the first primaries. It’s pretty clear the incumbent has lost it.

Someone remind me again why Ron Paul’s not a conservative? I’m wearing virtual flame retardant clothing against those who can’t tell rhetorical questions from actual ones. He has libertarian qualities, sure, and that’s what he’s usually classed as, but isn’t his attitude on foreign intervention the same or similar to Washington’s? Any differing policy after that is by definition also not conservative. And he’s very much pro-life, with his personal experience as an obstetrician and gynecologist to back it up. I’ve heard him called too queer-friendly, but need more details, which I’m sure someone will provide. Is his policy different from the Catholic Church’s one of hate the sin, love the sinner? Has he spoken on homosexual ‘marriage’?

I’d prefer his son Rand be running (that’s clear from my profile), but still don’t quite understand why there’s so much hostility to Ron Paul. I think the proverbial gunsights should be more squarely fixed in the direction of the enemy, the crypto-communist Democratic Party.


38 posted on 04/26/2011 8:09:42 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: Bokababe

The media’s “Anybody But Palin” parade continues. Every time they do a hit-piece on her, they look like total garbage and she comes out smelling like a rose. It’s obvious that the media has changed tactics. They’re now operating on the premise that any airtime given to anybody else is airtime that is Sarah Palin is NOT getting. Throwing bombs hasn’t worked at all, so now it’s just a media blackout.

As for Ru Paul and Donald Trump, they’re both crappy candidates. Trump occasionally shows some potential but his criticism of Bush in 2007 was downright bizarre and shows that we shouldn’t trust his views at all. (I’m not saying that Bush didn’t deserve criticism, I’m just saying that Trump was less than impressive when going public with it. And why was he even doing it?) Ron Paul is a total pantload. Any media play that he is getting is because the MSM wants to advance weak candidates for the GOP. It worked like a charm with McCain, why wouldn’t they keep right on doing it?


39 posted on 04/26/2011 8:10:36 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: OldNewYork

There is no possibility of reasoning with the Paul haters here. He isn’t the perfect candidate or conservative, but has far more virtues than liabilities. He isn’t going to get the nomination - it is inconceivable short of hyperinflation. Nevertheless, he helps by educating younger voters about fiscal, tax, and monetary issues. That is more than I can say about anyone else running. I think the main problem now is that there is no really strong candidate in sight, but it is still early.


40 posted on 04/26/2011 8:34:05 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

I liked Rand for president in 2012 because he was aggressive, though well-spoken enough he could do it without being caustic, beyond supporting his views. I think, unless someone in the regular Republican camp steps it up soon, things could go Mr. Trump’s way because he’s the most outspoken, the most able and willing to take it right to the incumbent and the source of the problem, even if what he sees as the problem doesn’t coincide perfectly with many conservatives. But you’re right, it is early days. In any event, I think Ron Paul and Donald Trump are good for the national debate by being involved.


41 posted on 04/26/2011 8:58:10 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: rlmorel
The actual quote, which Churchill was supposed to have said, but has been disputed, is : "IF A MAN ISN'T A LIBERAL AT 20, HE HAS NO HEAT, IF HE ISN'T A CONSERVATIVE AT 40, HE HAS NO BRAIN."

Until very recently, the voting age was 21 and I think that should be reinstated; though given the choice, I would raise that to at least 25.

42 posted on 04/26/2011 9:38:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: OldNewYork
He's a damned hypocrite!

He rails against PORK, yet he loads up Bills, he know will pass, with his own pet projects, then votes against them, so he can claim that he doesn't "like" PORK.

Ron Paul's candidcy isn't "good" for anything! He added nothing to the debates, last time around, except the GOP's version of Denis Kucinich.

43 posted on 04/26/2011 9:42:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Bokababe

R-U-N Paul - what a complete waste of skin - and votes.


44 posted on 04/26/2011 9:49:13 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: nopardons
He's a damned hypocrite! He rails against PORK, yet he loads up Bills, he know will pass, with his own pet projects, then votes against them, so he can claim that he doesn't "like" PORK.

Alright, this is answering the question I asked. I'm hoping for specifics though - do you have an article or a link going into detail on this?

Ron Paul's candidacy isn't "good" for anything!

Ron Paul's candidacy is good for getting the spotlight on shady business at the 'Federal' Reserve, you'd have to admit. No?

45 posted on 04/26/2011 9:51:03 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: OldNewYork

Someone remind me again why Ron Paul’s not a conservative? . . . He has libertarian qualities, sure, and that’s what he’s usually classed as, but isn’t his attitude on foreign intervention the same or similar to Washington’s?
Please explain what you mean by "similar to Washington's". The first president, or the people in charge in the nation's capital ATTOW?

I'm trying to figure out what's so hard to understand about Paul's stance on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—he's utterly against them and wants them defunded. On top of that, he's extra weak on Iran, not supporting the resolution in support of the protests against the Mullahs (he was the sole "Nay" vote), opposing sanctions, and using scare tactics by claiming that Bush was going to attack Iran at any moment. He's weaker than even some of the DNC doves on the global war on terror "overseas contingency operation".

That's aside from his stance on Israel—he wants to withdraw support from the only democracy in the Middle East; he's in lock-step with the sicko dictators in the UN, and the two-faced European Union. He openly opposed the US supporting the Gaza blockade, in spite of how many lives it was saving, including Palestinian lives.

And he’s very much pro-life, with his personal experience as an obstetrician and gynecologist to back it up
As things look to me, he's pro-choice state by state; he only opposes federal funding for abortion. He also opposes a federal ban on abortion. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways, yes?

If that doesn't clear things up for you, then perhaps you're not such an enemy of the "cryptocommunist Democratic Party" as you claim to be.
46 posted on 04/26/2011 9:54:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: OldNewYork

Someone remind me again why Ron Paul’s not a conservative? . . . He has libertarian qualities, sure, and that’s what he’s usually classed as, but isn’t his attitude on foreign intervention the same or similar to Washington’s?
Please explain what you mean by "similar to Washington's". The first president, or the people in charge in the nation's capital ATTOW?

I'm trying to figure out what's so hard to understand about Paul's stance on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—he's utterly against them and wants them defunded. On top of that, he's extra weak on Iran, not supporting the resolution in support of the protests against the Mullahs (he was the sole "Nay" vote), opposing sanctions, and using scare tactics by claiming that Bush was going to attack Iran at any moment. He's weaker than even some of the DNC doves on the global war on terror "overseas contingency operation".

That's aside from his stance on Israel—he wants to withdraw support from the only democracy in the Middle East; he's in lock-step with the sicko dictators in the UN, and the two-faced European Union. He openly opposed the US supporting the Gaza blockade, in spite of how many lives it was saving, including Palestinian lives.

And he’s very much pro-life, with his personal experience as an obstetrician and gynecologist to back it up
As things look to me, he's pro-choice state by state; he only opposes federal funding for abortion. He also opposes a federal ban on abortion. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways, yes?

If that doesn't clear things up for you, then perhaps you're not such an enemy of the "cryptocommunist Democratic Party" as you claim to be.
47 posted on 04/26/2011 9:54:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Bokababe

Retire Ron you a$$!


48 posted on 04/26/2011 9:55:20 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: OldNewYork
Articles about Paul's PORK SCAM has been all over FR for years.

He keeps doing it, so perhaps if you look for threads about him, some will pop up, as I know that there were some posted here, not all that long ago.

As to your final query...the answer is not just no, but HELL NO! Having him in a debate wastes valuable time, which more serious candidates could talk.

Paul is pro-leaglizing of illicit substances, antiwar, was for the GZ Mosque, and he will never be anything other than a KOOK and a joke, to the vast majority of Americans.His rapid supporters are a rag tag bunch and many of them are no more than hooligans, whose behavior, on '08, was highly objectionable and to some extent, violent.

49 posted on 04/26/2011 9:58:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Olog-hai

Thanks for the link. I’m reading through it now.

By Washington, I should have been clearer that I meant George Washington, though I thought following it with this: “Any differing policy after that is by definition also not conservative.” I meant to say here that Washington’s policies, generally Federalist, or proto-Federalist as he was against political parties, were generally not those of Jefferson, and in his farewell address warned of passionate attachments to foreign nations. I’ve been instructed he meant especially France there, but it extends to all others, Britain, Russia, etc. And Israel is a foreign country, even if not in existence then, so passionate attachments to it would have also been contrary to Washington’s warning and his policy, and also wouldn’t qualify as conservative, in reference to him.

So Ron Paul’s wanting to withdraw American financial support from Israel, something I’m told Israel both doesn’t need and increasingly questions taking, has to be seen in light of that and of his wanting to withdraw American financial support of foreign countries across the board.

I’ll look for that specific resolution against the mullahs he voted against - it sounds like it’s in keeping with this Washingtonian policy, but it’s concerning if he was the only ‘nay’ vote and if it was hypocritical.

Rand Paul, his son, was for going into Afghanistan but not going into Iraq - except that once in we have to win. I agree with that. I had thought Ron Paul’s view was similar. Operations in Iraq are winding down (an Army Major I know told me it’s ‘over’). It would be irresponsible to de-fund, and thus leave, before things were secure, so if he didn’t say something like that as well it’s a concern. What do you mean around ‘supporting the Gaza blockade’? That seems to me to be Israel’s endeavor, not America’s.

You can leave off snarky comments, also. They’re generally not well-received, and I’m no exception. It also won’t help that you’ve named yourself after a type of troll. I don’t have a strong opinion about Ron Paul because I haven’t run across the same things that have apparently provoked such a strong reaction in you, nor been so impressed by the kind of things he says that lead some people to be such strong followers of his. Right now though, for me personally, the count of those opposed to him acting obnoxiously is higher than those for him doing so. That doesn’t say everything, but it does make a person wonder when asking genuine questions.


50 posted on 04/26/2011 10:37:33 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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