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Madame Nhu, Vietnam War Lightning Rod,
New York Times ^ | APRIL 26, 2011 | JOSEPH R. GREGORY

Posted on 04/26/2011 7:25:39 PM PDT by South Hawthorne

Madame Nhu, who as the glamorous official hostess in South Vietnam’s presidential palace became a politically powerful and often harshly outspoken figure in the early years of the Vietnam War, died on Sunday in Rome, where she had been living. She was believed to be 87.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: nhu; vietnam
RIP Madame Nhu.

The end of an era... you were to Vietnam what Jackie Kennedy was to America. Except with a gun... and a whole lot of spunk... and a vicious hatred of communist scum befitting of a Lover of Freedom.



1 posted on 04/26/2011 7:25:42 PM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: Owl_Eagle

I always liked her. I’m not sure I should have, but I did.


2 posted on 04/26/2011 7:27:05 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Owl_Eagle

I’m not even gonna click on the link...dont want to give the NY Slimes a click point.

RIP Mrs Nhu.


3 posted on 04/26/2011 7:29:30 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: ThanhPhero

Ping.


4 posted on 04/26/2011 7:31:58 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Owl_Eagle

http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19630809,00.html


5 posted on 04/26/2011 7:36:05 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Owl_Eagle
Ah yes...The Dragon Lady.
6 posted on 04/26/2011 7:38:55 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Army Air Corps

Terrible mistake to remove Diem. After that, it was coup after coup, and everybody preparing their own getaway money in case the country fell apart. (Corruption soared.)


7 posted on 04/26/2011 7:40:45 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: All

Click The Pic

8 posted on 04/26/2011 7:45:51 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I’m a Vietnam Veteran.

Kennedy had the the Diems Killed because he was losing control over them.

Shortly after LHO put a bullet in Kennedy

LBJ escalated the Vietnam War and whole lot of Amerivcan GI died.

I don’t know if Kennedy was really going to pull out before he got killed and I don’t know if LBJ really knew what he was getting into but it ended up as a real mess.

Shortly before LBJ died he was interviewd by Walter Cronkite and I remember him saying that the Democrat Congress was all gung-ho to pass the Gulf of Tonkin resolution and when the boy bags started coming home they didn’t have the guts to finish what they had started, and left the South Vietnamese hanging in the wind.


9 posted on 04/26/2011 7:47:04 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: Owl_Eagle; JoeProBono; martin_fierro; Perdogg
Madame Nhu

10 posted on 04/26/2011 7:51:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AkHeUaEva5k/Rr1PT9xAWeI/AAAAAAAADSo/-WNzdwJZ-HE/s400/mad%2Bnhu.jpg


11 posted on 04/26/2011 7:53:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: wetgundog

I wonder how much (if any seriously) regret LBJ had for making Viet Nam the meat grinder it became?


12 posted on 04/26/2011 7:57:51 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: wetgundog

Don’t forget the sack of excrement Walter Cronkite. Vo Nguyen Giap thought of Cronkite as an ally for the vaulable propoganda that he supplied.


13 posted on 04/26/2011 7:58:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: CondorFlight
Terrible mistake to remove Diem. After that, it was coup after coup, and everybody preparing their own getaway money in case the country fell apart. (Corruption soared.)

Just before the coup, Vice President Richard Nixon said that the choice wasn't between Diem and somebody better but Diem and somebody worse. He was right.

14 posted on 04/26/2011 8:05:08 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Army Air Corps

No argument with you there. Cronkite was a one man propaganda machine for the left wing. His statement on the air about getting out of Vietnam was the start of the decline in American commitment.

We should have bombed the NV back to the Stone Age and sank all the ships in Haiphong harbor including those of our so called allies who were give the NV comfort and aid.

Sat Cong and FUBO


15 posted on 04/26/2011 8:09:03 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: wetgundog

Well, according to many senior PAVN officers, we had them by the ‘nads several times and didn’t follow through. They could never understand why we didn’t finish them off each time we had the chance.


16 posted on 04/26/2011 8:25:48 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SunkenCiv


17 posted on 04/26/2011 8:26:31 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Owl_Eagle

She was sexy.


18 posted on 04/26/2011 8:38:46 PM PDT by Poundstone (A recent Federal retiree and proud of it!)
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To: Poundstone

I remember the press really crucified her.


19 posted on 04/26/2011 8:53:40 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Fiji Hill
Just before the coup, Vice President Richard Nixon said that the choice wasn't between Diem and somebody better but Diem and somebody worse. He was right.

And now we are seeing history repeating itself all over the middle east because 0bozo slept through his history class.

20 posted on 04/26/2011 8:57:50 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: Poundstone

She was “HOT.”


21 posted on 04/26/2011 9:17:48 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Being an autodidact, I happily escaped the bureaucratization of intellect)
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To: Owl_Eagle

No one ever found how she managed to live a queen’s life in Rome with no source of income. There was $24 million in gold bullion that went missing when she left Vietnam.

She was wilely, manipulative, and calculating. And lived in the manner she wanted to be accustomed to.

A clever gal.


22 posted on 04/26/2011 9:24:43 PM PDT by saltus (God's Will be done)
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To: wetgundog
Kennedy had the the Diems Killed because he was losing control over them.
Back then, I was in sore need of Free Republic . . .

Madame Nhu infuriated me by saying that the US had killed her husband.

Which, in the event, turned out to be perfectly true.
Good old Walter was keeping us so well informed . . .

23 posted on 04/27/2011 4:12:55 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: CondorFlight
Terrible mistake to remove Diem.
If Nixon had won that squeaker in 1960, it would never have happened . . . and 47 thousand "baby boomer" men who were killed might have survived.
After that, it was coup after coup, and everybody preparing their own getaway money in case the country fell apart. (Corruption soared.)
Of course, if Nixon had won the 1960 election, even if he had saved 47,000 Americans compared to the result of Kennedy's administration, that would have been unknown, and unknowable. So he certainly would never have received a scintilla of credit for what in reality likely would have been a signal service to the country.

And that's apart from the Bay of Pigs fiasco which Nixon almost certainly wouldn't have blundered into.


24 posted on 04/27/2011 6:53:52 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

The Bay of Pigs recruitment started within weeks of Castro’s victory over Battista. Nixon might well have pulled the plug, since the story of the covert operation had hit the papers well before the Brigade hit the beaches. But it’s more likely that Nixon would merely have finished the job that Kennedy wouldn’t, and Castro’s bones would be bleaching in a 50 year old grave somewhere by now. There’d have been no Missile Crisis, and instead of a de facto declaration of war against NV, the military response to the Tonkin Gulf Incident would have been more measured and appropriate.


25 posted on 04/27/2011 7:08:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Army Air Corps
Tôi còn cầu nguyện cho linh hồn của bà Trần Lệ Xuân.
26 posted on 04/28/2011 3:26:30 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: SunkenCiv
Agreed. Nixon was not hawkish on Vietnam; he returned from a trip to Asia and had no sooner reported that he had no confidence in the ability of the French to defeat Ho Chi Minh than the meeting was interrupted by someone reporting the fall of Dien Bien Phu.
Jack Kemp was sorely needed (but would have been unwelcome) in the Republican caucus in Congress back in 1954; they were in the majority but that November they were about to go into their 40 years in the wilderness. Today we would call anyone who agreed with the typical Republican Congressman of that era a RINO - Jack Kemp has changed our standards for conservatism that much.
Back then Kemp was playing football at Occidental College. Funny Jack Kemp popped into mind just now; turns out that Occidental will hold an event to honor Kemp tomorrow. In a way that's a shame; it would have been better to have had it at a presidential library. Had Kemp won the nomination in '88, I doubt that Clinton would have been elected in '92 . . .

27 posted on 04/28/2011 3:31:13 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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