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Afghan Officer Fires on NATO Troops, Kills 9
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Posted on 04/27/2011 5:13:56 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

KABUL, Afghanistan – Eight NATO service members and a contractor are dead after an Afghan military pilot opened fire on the foreign troops following a dispute at the airport in Kabul.

Wednesday's shooting was the deadliest incident in which a member of the Afghan security forces turned against coalition forces.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; ahmed; ahmedgul; fallen; globaljihad; gul; islam; jihad; kabul; muslims; muslimsaintpeaceful; nato; rop
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Diversity ain't our strength.

We need to pull out if we aren't serious about winning.

1 posted on 04/27/2011 5:14:00 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Profile in the PC dictionary means turning ones head to a 45 degree angle.


2 posted on 04/27/2011 5:16:13 AM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin B)
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To: shadeaud

Bugs Bunny: “You realize this means war!”

Let’s declare victory and advance to the rear.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 5:18:36 AM PDT by Ole Okie (++++)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Get us the hell out of that cesspool! There is no reason to keep squandering lives and money in a stone-age country.


4 posted on 04/27/2011 5:26:51 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Red in Blue PA

So much for “Nation Building”. I prefer total victory or get out, take your nation building and shove it!


5 posted on 04/27/2011 5:38:35 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: Red in Blue PA

I would be interested to know where exactly this took place on the airport. Civilian side, or military side?

In the new section which is NATO controlled or the Afghan side, much less so?

Many questions.


6 posted on 04/27/2011 5:38:42 AM PDT by tongue-tied
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To: ilovesarah2012
Get out is right. Obama now owns these wars and the pubs should now run as the antiwar party...
7 posted on 04/27/2011 5:38:53 AM PDT by Dansong
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To: Red in Blue PA
AMERICANS.

Afghan official: Man opens fire on Americans in Kabul; 6 dead

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- At least six American service members were killed Wednesday when a man opened fire on troops and a "gunfight" ensued at an airport in the Afghan capital, military officials said.

8 posted on 04/27/2011 5:40:40 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Red in Blue PA

We aren’t serious about winning. We should pull out. We don’t owe these savages anything.


9 posted on 04/27/2011 5:42:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Pan_Yan

Simple question: why are we working side by side with these people if they have a history of using suicide agents?


10 posted on 04/27/2011 5:44:07 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

if we were serious about winning it would have been over.


11 posted on 04/27/2011 5:44:35 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Red in Blue PA

How not to win a war, thanks a lot Bush, Obama.


12 posted on 04/27/2011 5:46:09 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Perhaps the worst legacy from Bush is his “Religion of Peace” nonsense. He has hamstrung the U.S. with this silliness, and it hugely affects how we as a country view this struggle.

ROPMA


13 posted on 04/27/2011 5:49:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I enlisted during Vietnam and have NEVER promoted the idea of America leaving a half done war.

Today, that is changed.

We need to leave Afghanistan.


14 posted on 04/27/2011 5:50:36 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Red in Blue PA

When they are American casualties, they are now referred to as “NATO” troops to protect Hussein.

Worthless POS Associated Press.


15 posted on 04/27/2011 5:52:36 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: G Larry
I enlisted during Vietnam and have NEVER promoted the idea of America leaving a half done war.

Libya is Obama's Vietnam.

16 posted on 04/27/2011 5:53:17 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Red in Blue PA

That is the whole point - if we are not going to fight to win, then we should not fight at all. Period. How many American men and women have given life and limb in this “war” as well as in Iraq.... all to have our officials basically sabotage our efforts there.

Regardless of how one feels about these two conflicts, we either need to fully support VICTORY (whatever that may ultimately mean), or we need to get the heck out.


17 posted on 04/27/2011 5:53:35 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: G Larry

Nuke it from orbit (It’s the only way to be sure).


18 posted on 04/27/2011 5:54:12 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Pan_Yan

AMERICANS.

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And our American News Media calls them NATO troops, so that people who only casually hear any “news” will not even know that Americans were murdered in cold blood in Kabul yesterday.

Contrast this with the daily/hourly body count during the Bush years of this “war.”


19 posted on 04/27/2011 5:55:21 AM PDT by maica ( It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in man.)
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To: sr4402

Huh?

We have no troops in Libya!

Libya is simply Obama’s stupidity on display.


20 posted on 04/27/2011 5:55:32 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Red in Blue PA
Before we cut and run let's put this into perspective:

Before the airport shooting, the coalition had recorded 20 incidents since March 2009 where a member of the Afghan security forces or someone wearing a uniform used by them attacked coalition forces, killing a total of 36. It is not known how many of the 282,000 members of the Afghan security forces have been killed in these type of incidents.

According to information compiled by NATO, half of the 20 incidents involved the impersonation of an Afghan policeman or soldier. The cause of the other 10 incidents were attributed to combat stress or unknown reasons. NATO said that so far, there is no solid evidence — despite Taliban assertions — that any insurgent has joined the Afghan security forces for the sole purpose of conducting attacks on coalition or Afghan forces.

Ignoring the possibility of cover ups, that's 20 incidents in 24 months of active combat. Assuming there are additional conspirators (which in most instances there don't appear to be) we can multiply the 20 incidents by 4 and get 80 tangos in uniform.

80/282000 = 0.028% of total Afghani forces are a risk to our troops.

A very small number. Now, clearly our strategy and ROE in Afghanistan stink and are wasteful. A better strategy would be to withdraw the bulk of our forces and simply make ruling Afghanistan untenable for the Taliban. The Soviets did this and we can do it better and cheaper as measured in dollars and American lives.

21 posted on 04/27/2011 5:57:00 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Americans reduced to being only feckless, nameless NATO troops. Great cover for the huge Obama war death toll. Far worse than when Bush was running things.

Americans dying in a country that will never be anything other than it is now.

Since the US has no border protection and a muslim in the WH, just what the hell are these American’s dying for?


22 posted on 04/27/2011 5:59:42 AM PDT by dforest
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To: PapaBear3625

I suggested that in September 2001.

Launch 1 Minuteman III, with 3 RV’s.

2 live ones hit Afghan targets.
1 “test” vehicle hits Peshawar, PK, just to clear the den of thieves and send a strong message. (they won’t know it was an intentional dud.)

Oh...call Russian and China and tell them they aren’t the target, just prior to launch....


23 posted on 04/27/2011 6:00:07 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Red in Blue PA

We need to leave because we’re not serious about winning and we’re letting good men die for nothing! Pull out...let the pigs wallow in their filth and if another attack is ever launched from there nuke them to hell and back!


24 posted on 04/27/2011 6:01:28 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: Red in Blue PA
This is just my opinion, others with more experience or understanding may want to clarify and correct.

It's one thing to have allies. Up to and including the Korean War we had allies, but we also had clearly defined enemies that could be pointed out on a map. “They control everything on that side of the line, we control this side.” We fought to move the line.

In Vietnam we had a clear enemy behind a defined line and refused to fight him there. So we ended up doing all the fighting behind our own line. The enemy infiltrated our allies and we could not trust them. That set the blueprint for almost every war since. The 1991 Gulf War was the exception. Saddam Hussein thought he could fight us over a line and he got crushed. The second time around they didn't make that mistake. The Iraqi army just melted away and we spent six bloody years fighting a guerrilla/terrorist war before there was a semblance of peace.

The leaders of Al qaida and the Taliban aren't uneducated goat herders. Their followers might be, but they aren't. They know about Vietnam, Somalia and Lebanon. They know how to defeat us. They use our inherent good nature against us. They know we want to trust and help the poor people of their country. They know we can't stomach the losses. They know our allies will melt away and our media will undermine our moral. They know our leaders are not single minded and focused.

Even if we win and set up some form of fairy tale democracy where women vote and there is a legislative body the people will just elect the next dictator. It is inevitable. Their religion and culture will not tolerate the independence of thought required for a free nation.

We have no Afghan allies. Oh, there are individuals and maybe small groups who truly believe, but for the most part they are chaff in the wind. Our only allies are those nations who feel the need to buy our protection at the cost of losing their own young men. And they will pay no more than the minimum because they see no victory or reward.

25 posted on 04/27/2011 6:12:28 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Walkingfeather

“if we were serious about winning it would have been over.”

You guys that say this are intentionally ignoring history, you don’t think that the Brits and the Russians weren’t serious about winning in this pest hole? Unless you want to depopulate the whole of Afghanistan of it’s native population there isn’t much that you can do to win, serious or not.


26 posted on 04/27/2011 6:12:28 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Pan_Yan

This is just my opinion, others with more experience or understanding may want to clarify and correct.

******

It is a very depressing but excellent observation of where we are on the spectrums of allies vs enemies, and victory vs defeat.

It would be depressing if we had a pro-American president, but since we also are suffering under a pro-globalist, anti-American-power president, we are in real jeopardy.


27 posted on 04/27/2011 6:22:23 AM PDT by maica ( It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in man.)
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To: G Larry
We have no troops in Libya!

You joking me, right? The CIA and our forces are in their probably trying to help the rebels at the behest of Obama.

It's the Progressive way.

28 posted on 04/27/2011 6:37:58 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Red in Blue PA

We should bomb them and leave. Just declare victory.


29 posted on 04/27/2011 6:50:39 AM PDT by juliej
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To: Pan_Yan

I feel so badly for the families of those troops.

My son is coming home Friday from Afghanistan, via Germany, on a stretcher. But at least he will be out of there and alive!


30 posted on 04/27/2011 6:56:57 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: kevslisababy

My family will be praying that his recovery and transition back to America will go well.


31 posted on 04/27/2011 7:00:52 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Thank you, we are lucky he is alive, and so is he.

Now if we can just give these kids back the country they should be able to expect when they return....


32 posted on 04/27/2011 7:10:37 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: sr4402

Oh yeah....that makes it similar to Vietnam....


33 posted on 04/27/2011 7:21:05 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: G Larry
Oh yeah....that makes it similar to Vietnam....

My point is that it is Obama's War. Can you disagree with that?

34 posted on 04/27/2011 7:31:24 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Red in Blue PA

This compassionate war about winning hearts and minds is bullchit!!!,Two problems these People have NO MIND or heart,so bring the troops home.


35 posted on 04/27/2011 7:32:11 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: sr4402

It won’t have the politcal baggage of Vietnam.

He and his lackies in the press will tell you that he’s out of Libya now.
“His War” does not make it comparable to Vietnam, which was my objection to the statement.


36 posted on 04/27/2011 7:46:54 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes. Get the hell out.


37 posted on 04/27/2011 7:58:32 AM PDT by unkus
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To: unkus

The Afghans do not deserve to be saved from their miserable fate. They do not want democracy. They do not want peace. they do not want individuals rights for women and religious minorities. They do not want to cease production of opium. Leave them to their own misery and reserve the right to make strikes on taliban and al qaeda encampments when necessary to disrupt their terrorist activities. Afghan simply cannot be fully occupied and placated. The Russians tried with forces far superior to that of the U.S. and using tactics far more brutal than the rules of engagement used by American troops. Let them fall back into abyss where they seem most at home.


38 posted on 04/27/2011 8:37:09 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour

Well said.


39 posted on 04/27/2011 8:41:39 AM PDT by unkus
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To: littleharbour

Maybe they do want Democracy.

By popular vote they will rape women and goats, behead the infidel and grow opium.

Oh I do love democracy the magic bullet!


40 posted on 04/27/2011 10:48:56 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: littleharbour

History does not call Afghanistan the “Graveyard of Empires” for nothing, you know.

It’s a pity that our own “leadership” is digging our grave over there deeper all the time. The first to be dumped in will be America’s best and bravest. Then Obama’s real “army” of LosZetas, Hammass smuggled over the porous border disguised as “undocumented workers”, foreign mercenaries (where do you think the $trillions that went missing from the FED went?) and hardened, lethal organized felons and street gangs can engage in the only war that he really intends to “win”; the war against US. His “Domestic Security Force” superior to our native military that he promised during the campaign is already staged among us, lurking in the shadows and alleyways of our cities and towns, just waiting for the order to attack. Any day now.

Stay tuned, Sports Fans!


41 posted on 04/27/2011 10:53:18 AM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Unfortunately, to really keep the “loyalty” of such people in a way they understand - we would have to know where this man lives, where his extended family lives, and should they pull such a stunt in the future, his entire family would be killed.

Of course, we are not in such a business. That’s why we can not civilize these people.


42 posted on 04/27/2011 12:57:00 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Walkingfeather
if we were serious about winning it would have been over.

It was over 15 minutes after it started. Just like Iraq. We "won". What is going on is colonization ("nation building"). For some reason, the natives object.

I am so sick of hearing these called "wars" and the terms "winning" and "losing" tossed around. The military did its job. They won. They should come home.

43 posted on 04/27/2011 1:52:06 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
"I am so sick of hearing these called "wars" and the terms "winning" and "losing" tossed around. The military did its job. They won. They should come home. "

A great post. Whenever the military achieves its objective the goal posts move and the mission keeps creeping. Our war is finished. If this is someone else's war then they should step up.

44 posted on 04/27/2011 2:02:05 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Red in Blue PA
The U.S. needs stop going to war period because our leaders don't go to war to win anymore. How did our civil war and WW2 get resolved before our wars with Afghanistan and Iraq? These wars should have been resolved several years ago and could have been if we had fought a total war. If I don't believe a war should be fought to win at all cost then I don't believe it's a war that is important enough to be fought at all.
45 posted on 04/27/2011 4:11:45 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Illegal immigration is a bigger security threat to our nation than any terrorist group.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The U.S. needs stop going to war period because our leaders don't go to war to win anymore. How did our civil war and WW2 get resolved before our wars with Afghanistan and Iraq? These wars should have been resolved several years ago and could have been if we had fought a total war. If I don't believe a war should be fought to win at all cost then I don't believe it's a war that is important enough to be fought at all.
46 posted on 04/27/2011 4:15:40 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Illegal immigration is a bigger security threat to our nation than any terrorist group.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Nation building in 3rd world cesspools does not work.


47 posted on 04/27/2011 4:32:05 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: KantianBurke

Especially when it’s literally one of the most uncivilized nations on earth. It makes most other third world nations look great in comparison.


48 posted on 04/27/2011 5:18:07 PM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Illegal immigration is a bigger security threat to our nation than any terrorist group.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior
"Especially when it’s literally one of the most uncivilized nations on earth" It's NOT a nation. I repeat, Afghanistan is NOT a nation. Its a loose collection of tribes and tribal allegiances. To think it ever was, is or will be a nation is the number one strategic mistake that got us into this mess.
49 posted on 04/27/2011 6:24:29 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: Red in Blue PA

In a way we can thank Brits for this mess.

These post-colonial “nations” should have long ago been allowed to fragment along tribal lines, and not arbitrarily drawn up by the former colonial powers borders, instead of pretending there is actually a “nation” of Afghanistan.


50 posted on 04/27/2011 6:27:25 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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