Skip to comments.CNN via BREAKING on Drudge: White House releases Obama birth certificate
Posted on 04/27/2011 6:09:26 AM PDT by DCBryan1Edited on 04/27/2011 6:22:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
(CNN) The White House released President Obamas original birth certificate Wednesday.
The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.
They were processed on the “date filed”. Janice Okubo said that the “date filed” is the date that the BC# was given at the HDOH office. So even if everything was alphabetized on Aug 8th, those BC’s would all get earlier BC#’s than anything “filed” on the 11th.
But Obama’s was supposedly given a number on the 8th and it’s a higher/later number than the Nordykes which were assigned a number on the 11th.
And why is her name printed as Stanley Ann Dunham, but her signature is Stanley Ann Dunham Obama?
The birth certificate asks for the full maiden name of the mother, as all birth certificates do.
Even if they were married in Oahu, the status is questionable, because Obama, Senior had a wife in Kenya.
Google took it down
Oh, it’s been answered since - they printed the abstract BC onto matching “bamboo” patterned security paper.
But as Butterdezillion says, it’s weird that it looks half like a copy from the original book and half like a printout.
Mostly right, except that the date that matters is the “date filed” since that is when the number was given. Doesn’t really matter when they were born, only when the HDOH got their BC in their office and stamped it with a number - which Janice Okubo says was the “date filed” for Oahu births.
Remember that the people in MI and the whole country for that matter will cover for him because they don’t like to admit they are wrong.
So... I did. I downloaded the file...and opened it in Illustrator...and indeed... this document has been pieced together. Its a layered file. You can click and hide various layers until the screen is blank.
Now... look. Im tired of this stupid argument. I really am. But as a graphic artist, I can tell you that if someone scanned in an image and saved it as a PDF, it would have been a solid, single layer. The only way that I know of for it to be broken down into layers is if it had been manipulated and created digitally.
Feel free to call me a whatever...but see for yourself if what that person Rush mentioned said is right.
Let's say you're right - and you might be - what does that say about the people we're up against?
Yeah, that dying part seems a certainty, doesn't it?
At least he died "Smilan" long before he knew people would think about exhuming him on this basis.
I hope we come to know everything professionally-relevant about this guy.
for what it is worth, the M issue is because the M in pm is already on the form, the hospital only has to type in A or P.
Hawaii became a state in 1959. There was no ratification involved. In March 1959 Congress passed a law, the President signed it, and then the citizens of Hawaii voted in June of 1959 whether to accept statehood or not.
The 0h0m0 suckup toadies are in full force today. They ain’t happy campers.
“Filed” does not equal “Accepted”. One was accepted on the 8th. The other was accepted on the 11th. Both could have been filed on the 11th or the 14th or whenever.
Interesting that somebody made a comment up the thread that David Sinclair dotted only one i in his name. The Adobe Illustrator file shows his signature without that single dot over the i. Now all i’s are undotted. Don’t know what to make of it.
We’re talking 3 days difference. Okubo said the BC# was given on the “date filed”. I could see this as where they go through and stamp all the numbers and then they go through and stamp all the dates.
When Okubo confirmed that the BC#’s were assigned by the HDOH on the “date filed” that rebutted any arguments about piles here or there. These BC’s were numbered 3 days apart.
Those who laugh last, laugh best.
It ain’t over and all 0h0m0 toadying suckups should take note of that fact.
Your out of control lying reveals your fear.
Those other BC's would show the same amount of ribbon detritus in the same letters.
The only paper stock here is the one used for printing two days ago. The black, inky parts are a gray-scale scan from some other original print overlaid onto the green patterned background. (Don't be confused that the curvature of the "black info" (haha) doesn't follow the uncurved nature of the green, patterned paper.
The ink is that of a (most likely) laser printer of today's vintage. Not much to be learned there.
The raised capital letters when switching back to lower-case letters is a sync issue with the typist's use of the Shift button on the typewriter.
I find the disappearing M of P.M. curious. It's as if the paper was fed in a second time to get something that might have been missing.
The half-line spacing to get to the X boxes is fodder for investigation. I'd like to compare with other BCs of nearby date.
That will be about everyone now that the PDF has hit the news. Actually Trump has the most riding on this being the lone Birther getting major TV time, so what's his next move?
Has someone just looked at the “Document Properties” in Adobe reader? (sorry haven’t read the whole thread).
PDF Producer: Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext
PDF Version: 1.3 (Acrobat 4.x)
Question: Do they use Macs in the Hawaii state offices?
Are there any other documents where that particular “stamp” is used by Onaka?
“There is a photo of it at http://twitpic.com/4q47pm and there are no cross-hatches so we know there was digital manipulation of the image.”
Ha! Thank you - very interesting! On this copy we could clearly see the font differences in the “S”’s in student and Stanley. (Were they trying to obscure this with the pale S?)
The strange looking little window in the upper left of Obama's new birth certificate is like an optical illusion that opens up to black 'behind the page'... reminds me of the Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In set, where people would open little doors in the set and then peek out and say something funny.
I can see Obama peeking out and saying... "Very interesting", "Look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls", "Sock it to me", "You bet your Sweet Bippy", "Here comes the Judge!", "It's time to say goodnight Dick", et cetera.
Here's a picture of an amateur production using the Laugh-In theme...
And a picture of the real Laugh-In set...
No, same font. I am looking at this one http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513 and the two S's are the same font, the Stanley S is weaker.
Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, on the same day forming the first Constitution of Kenya.
They were accepted three days apart, on the 8th and the 11th. I have no idea the practices of this office in 1961 Honolulu. Perhaps they saved all documents from the week and filed on Friday. And for whatever reason, they weren’t sorted properly.
I’ll say it again, I’m amazed that people who normally decry the inefficiencies and incompetence of government on a daily basis suddenly expect a small government office in 1961 to have a perfect rock solid system and make no errors whatsoever in typing, filing, dating, etc.
Thanks. I needed a laugh.
YES, This is not ALL of the information.
am I reading this correctly an Osteoporosis doctor delivered Barry?
I still have it up on my computer, I have no idea how to take a screen shot.
I use Firefox, can anyone help me?
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
Perhaps it's been pointed out already in this 1000+ comment thread...but in case it hasn't:
Statue 1401 can be found within the U.S. code under TITLE 8ALIENS AND NATIONALITY, and mentions nothing about "natural born" Citizens. It can not, anyway, as Congressional statues can not define who a "natural born" Citizen is. If it were possible, the Naturalization Act of 1790 would have been preserved (instead of being repealed by the Act of 1795)
6. Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen.
“MYTH #2: Lynch v. Clark ( a New York State case, not federal) is legal precedent for Obama to be considered a natural born citizen.
Despite the fact that state court cases have absolutely no legal weight of authority in federal court, Obama eligibility supporters cite this case often. Attorney Collins tears the decision to shreds and exposes its faulty conclusions.”
No, they are not the same. In the layered “BC”, which google has now removed, that is does not appear in a layer, then appears alone in another layer.
I have no idea how to use screen shot (Firefox).
Why are the O’s in “Oahu” raised, and the O’s in “Obama” not?
My answer to # 1,019 ping..................
Now, we all know what the 0b0z0butts’ talking points were all about in the last few days.
“No matter what 0b0z0 shows, it’ll be debunked as forgery!”
That’s the heavy artillery softening positions before the “big release” invasion, so to speak.
Let me tell the 0b0z0b0ts that Dan Rathers’ “forged but factual” Bush documents were debunked totally in a matter of days on this very site.
This is NOT a “Birth Certificate or Certificate of Birth,” rather (pun intended) it’s a Loooooooong COLB a la the one that was on the Internet for years.
The bad news for 0b0z0butts and regime is that the full debunking of the digital crap is well under way and it won’t be DAYS this time, it’ll be a matter of hours!
Remember 0b0z0ids, it’s not the forgery; it’s the COVER UP, STUPID! 0b0z0 can run (not in ‘12) but he can’t hide.
It all depends when The Donald’s experts will check, digest what’s on FR and other sites and RESTART THE BULLHORN ON THE SAME SUBJECT.
I’m waiting for the “education” records of this illiterate in the BathHouse to come out!
They are the same font. That is a simple fact comparing them side by side. If they landed in different layers it is because the Stanley S was weaker and got left excluded during image processing. Same as the R in BARACK up top.
If you are correct and the image was created digitally from several different layers, it sounds like the exact same technique used in the creation of the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth (Short Forms) posted on the pro-Obama web sites back in 2008. FReeper Ron Polarik demonstrated technically how that fraud was accomplished on a series of YouTube videos.
Stanley....flat (and blurry. That S showed up in one of the layers, alone). Student......not flat.
typewriter with manual shift for Caps.
That language that you quoted has nothing to do with the president’s constitutional qualifications. Had you bothered to quote the entire paragraph, rather than an excerpt, you would have noticed that Hamilton believed that the means by which the Constitution assures us that a person beholden to a foreign state will not be appointed to the presidency is due to the existence of an Electoral College composed of citizens of each state elected by the people thereof (and the members of the Electoral College cannot be officers of the U.S., who may be corrupted). It’s funny how the stylistic change of “born a citizen” to “natural-born citizen” was not deemed by Hamilton to merit even a mention in his Federalist #68 on the mode of electing the president.
Anyhow, here’s the entire paragraph written by Hamilton on how the Constitution’s Electoral College protects us from a foreign power imposing a president beholding to its interests:
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Did you not see this part of the citation in #920?
It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
The whitehouse PDF is extremely low quality. I recommend you ignore it and use a higher quality image like the one I linked above.
Yes, 18b are the exact handwriting!!
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