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CNN via BREAKING on Drudge: White House releases Obama birth certificate
CNN ^ | 27 APR 11 | DCBryan1

Posted on 04/27/2011 6:09:26 AM PDT by DCBryan1

Edited on 04/27/2011 6:22:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

(CNN) The White House released President Obama’s original birth certificate Wednesday.

The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.


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To: patlin

Who gives a crap what you think? This is NOT a courtroom. If it was, then I would have Bennett Guira in here with me.

I have no reason to believe that Bennett Guira made up the story, but I know of numerous lies that 0bama has told. Do you have reason to believe that Bennett Guira lied 6 1/2 years ago?

The fact is, from 2004 until 2009, 0bama led everyone to believe he was born at Queen’s Medical Center. He then decided that he would be better off using a different hospital. If you can prove otherwise, then do so.


1,401 posted on 04/28/2011 7:47:44 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks

Wahiawa is a census-designated place (CDP) in Honolulu County, Hawaii, United States, on the island of Oahu. It is located in the Wahiawa District, on the plateau or "central valley" between the two volcanic mountains that comprise the island. In Hawaiian, wahi a wā means "place of noise", perhaps a reference to the fact that once upon a time, heavy surf on the distant coast could be heard here. The population was 16,151 at the 2000 census ... Lakes and reservoirs are rare in Hawaii, and Wahiawa is at once unique in being surrounded on three sides by Lake Wilson (also known as Wahiawa Reservoir or Kaukonahua). The town must be accessed by either of two bridges on Kamehameha Highway (State Rte. 80) across the narrow north and south arms of the reservoir. Outside of the reservoir, the town used to be surrounded by military bases and agricultural fields, but development is making its way up from the increasingly urbanized southern portion of the central plain. Still, there are significant U.S. Army facilities here, including Schofield Barracks, Wheeler Army Airfield, and East Range, an Army training area extending into the hills south and east of town. Schofield Barracks alone is larger than Wahiawa. Wahiawa is also the home of the U.S. Navy's Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station Pacific.

http://www.wahiawageneral.org/

So, we know for sure that, that registrar is NOT located in Honolulu. Now the question, was the baby girl that only lived one day born in Wahiawa? Since the father was military, it surely could be a great possibility. 1963 Alabama Gadsen Times announcement birth of baby born in Wahiawa, Hi

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ltwpAAAAIBAJ&sjid=idUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4457,155050&dq=wahiawa+general+hospital&hl=en

1,402 posted on 04/28/2011 7:53:16 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin
Wahiawa is a census-designated place (CDP) in Honolulu County, Hawaii, United States, on the island of Oahu. It is located in the Wahiawa District, on the plateau or “central valley” between the two volcanic mountains that comprise the island. In Hawaiian, wahi a wā means “place of noise”, perhaps a reference to the fact that once upon a time, heavy surf on the distant coast could be heard here. The population was 16,151 at the 2000 census ... Lakes and reservoirs are rare in Hawaii, and Wahiawa is at once unique in being surrounded on three sides by Lake Wilson (also known as Wahiawa Reservoir or Kaukonahua). The town must be accessed by either of two bridges on Kamehameha Highway (State Rte. 80) across the narrow north and south arms of the reservoir. Outside of the reservoir, the town used to be surrounded by military bases and agricultural fields, but development is making its way up from the increasingly urbanized southern portion of the central plain. Still, there are significant U.S. Army facilities here, including Schofield Barracks, Wheeler Army Airfield, and East Range, an Army training area extending into the hills south and east of town. Schofield Barracks alone is larger than Wahiawa. Wahiawa is also the home of the U.S. Navy's Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station Pacific.

http://www.wahiawageneral.org/

So, we know for sure that, that registrar is NOT located in Honolulu. Now the question, was the baby girl that only lived one day born in Wahiawa? Since the father was military, it surely could be a great possibility. 1963 Alabama Gadsen Times announcement birth of baby born in Wahiawa, Hi

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ltwpAAAAIBAJ&sjid=idUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4457,155050&dq=wahiawa+general+hospital&hl=en

1,403 posted on 04/28/2011 7:55:52 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: Spartan79

I definitely understand about the “day job” thing. So much has been done by Obama’s handlers, the media, and corrupt government bureaucrats to cloud and complicate the issues - I believe to deliberately make it too complicated for most people to take the time to sort out.

Which is why it is so awful that we can’t find anybody in law enforcement who will actually do a legal investigation, subpoena all the records, and just pre-empt all the crap and speculation. Every US record this guy supposedly has was somehow either forged (draft registration, COLB, and now long-form if the HDOH has been accurate in their UIPA responses), illegally acquired (SSN), breached somehow (passport file), or under lock and key.

People never had to debate all the math involved to prove Al Capone’s tax evasion. The people entrusted with that job did it. That’s the difference between then and now.

And especially right now, I’m angry that so much of my life has been used up on something my taxes are paying a bunch of other people to do. I research at this point because this country means too much for me to just watch her die unattended. It’s a labor of love for the country, but I am absolutely disgusted with the people who were entrusted with protecting this country and refuse to do so.


1,404 posted on 04/28/2011 8:00:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Who paid for these people to go to school and travel all over the world? How did Obama’s mother marry Obama Sr when he was married to a women in Kenya? What bunch of sick bastards.
1,405 posted on 04/28/2011 8:48:58 AM PDT by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE US!)
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To: Tatze

SHOULDN'T THESE MATCH???? Is the forger having a Jesus moment?

1,406 posted on 04/28/2011 8:54:01 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: GregNH

Wow, that bottom form must have used a forged stamp too. You can’t read most of anything the right side. Thats a lot of typos.


1,407 posted on 04/28/2011 9:03:06 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Coyotehockey

The inarguable intent of the Natural Born Citizen requirement was that the person who held the Office of the President would be someone who had no divided loyalties. Thus, a dual citizen doesn’t pass muster, at least by any sane interpretation. No man can serve two masters.


1,408 posted on 04/28/2011 9:07:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: GregNH

They do, don’t they?


1,409 posted on 04/28/2011 9:11:11 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

look at the word “THE” vs. “TXE” in the second line.


1,410 posted on 04/28/2011 9:27:43 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Tatze
Tatze "(I reject your reality and substitute my own!)"

Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or may be thought to be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality

Go back to your sand box. Geesh.

1,411 posted on 04/28/2011 9:35:36 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: moehoward
Decide for yourself.

Other than anomalies caused by the pressure used to make the stamp, looks about the same to me.

Photobucket

1,412 posted on 04/28/2011 9:37:56 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Tatze; RummyChick

But where is the “X” coming from? It is clearly not an “H” in the document presented by Obama.


1,413 posted on 04/28/2011 9:43:05 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Tatze

There are FOUR other H’s in that image. Why do they not turn into a different letter?


1,414 posted on 04/28/2011 9:47:28 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: Fractal Trader

you can’t argue with morons.


1,415 posted on 04/28/2011 9:49:33 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Looky here....


Notice the fuzzy text? That's anti-aliasing from scanning or photographing the doc. Normal stuff.


This is Obamas. Notice the high contrast pixelation? That's because the anti-aliasing has been replaced by that white halo when the text was extracted by (hypothetically) PDF conversion.

The stamps are the same.

1,416 posted on 04/28/2011 9:56:17 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Tatze

They are the same.


1,417 posted on 04/28/2011 9:56:34 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: GregNH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c&feature=player_embedded#at=462

Here something for you graphics people to argue about.


1,418 posted on 04/28/2011 9:59:56 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: moehoward

like I said.


1,419 posted on 04/28/2011 10:01:58 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: GregNH

lol, They aren’t graphics people.


1,420 posted on 04/28/2011 10:03:02 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: moehoward

now do the same with the other five “H”s


1,421 posted on 04/28/2011 10:08:23 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Why? The conversion process would effect similar pixel groups -more or less- the same way.

The stamps are the same. One is just higher contrast than the other.


1,422 posted on 04/28/2011 10:13:33 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Coyotehockey
Photobucket
1,423 posted on 04/28/2011 10:22:51 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: moehoward
The conversion process would effect similar pixel groups -more or less- the same way.

But they quite obviously don't.

The stamps are the same.

except that one stamp has six "H"s and the other has five "H"s and an "X"!
1,424 posted on 04/28/2011 10:24:19 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Glad someone caught that! We know what they are.... ;)
1,425 posted on 04/28/2011 10:28:10 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: moehoward

1,426 posted on 04/28/2011 10:29:00 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: All

It would seem a bigger implication of fraud is:
Why did Obama have to go to the State of Hi to produce a BC?
Does the fairway king not have a copy of his own BC as I do n My file cabinet?


1,427 posted on 04/28/2011 10:29:44 AM PDT by Conserev1
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To: butterdezillion

“Most People” doesn’t translate to “the US Congress,” who actually handle all such investigations, so that’s a moot point. And if you try to tell me Obammy’s got Congress in his pocket, you’ve got to be kidding me.

Can’t any of you see that this whole BC thing is just a political trap? 0bammy gets everyone frothing about his birthplace, and meanwhile the legitimate complaints (and presidential candidates) get swept under the rug. As a result, the right is too twisted up in their own lost causes to organize, and the dems roll into office like no one was standing in their way.


1,428 posted on 04/28/2011 10:29:49 AM PDT by Skrodebomb
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To: Skrodebomb

Welcome to FReep.


1,429 posted on 04/28/2011 10:34:20 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: Skrodebomb
Is it time yet? Are we 'there' yet? ... Hell, we passed 'there' many years ago ...

And if you don't know what is now running what was once an actual Constitutional Republic, well, get in line with the rest of the dumbed down voters.

1,430 posted on 04/28/2011 10:34:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Skrodebomb
CAUTION! Ozero troll

Skrodebomb
Since Apr 28, 2011

1,431 posted on 04/28/2011 10:36:19 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/West 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: Mr Rogers
Why haven't you translated it yet?

Go ahead, translate what Vattel did write:

"Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parens citoyens"

As I'm sure you know, translating from a language like French, to English, isn't 1 to 1 verbatim. Your aware of that, I'm sure.

So, without further adieu...what's the translation? If you need help, just let me know and I can help you.

"Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parens citoyens"

1,432 posted on 04/28/2011 10:37:07 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Skrodebomb

Waves hands:

“Don’t look here! Nothing to see! The Americans are not in Baghdad!”


1,433 posted on 04/28/2011 10:41:36 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: angcat
Who paid for these people to go to school and travel all over the world?

Good question. I wondered the same thing when Jerry Rubin was flying from coast to coast telling the hippies to "turn on, ...and drop out" in the 60s. (How does a hippie with no means of suport afford to do all that flying?)

Someone was picking up the tab, and I wonder if the furniture biz was that good. If granny wasn't skimming the till at the bank, someone had some backing from outside sources. How did Obama’s mother marry Obama Sr when he was married to a women in Kenya?

Obama's family is likely Muslim, and some flavors of that allow multiple wives.

What bunch of sick bastards.

Yep. Perhaps literally.

1,434 posted on 04/28/2011 10:45:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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1,435 posted on 04/28/2011 10:50:43 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Smokin' Joe
"Money was tight. She collected food stamps and relied on her parents to help take care of young Barack."

Tuition at Punahou School for Grades K – 12 is $17,800.
Tuition at Occidental College is $20,930 + $6310 for room & board.
Tuition at Columbia College is $20,580.
Tuition at Harvard Law is $39,325 + $17,497 for room & board.

and he traveled all over the world every summer!
1,436 posted on 04/28/2011 10:52:34 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Skrodebomb

If you think Congress will act as law enforcement for this country you are the craziest person in this room. They won’t even police themselves but break their own rules at will.

The only way we can regain the rule of law is by recognizing exactly what we’re up against. I have no interest in getting somebody with an R behind their name to screw me once I get out the D’s that are screwing me. Until we actually have accountability to the rule of law elections are just a change in who screws us. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The Founders knew that; that’s why the checks and balances and the rule of law were their primary concerns. That has all been trampled. Those foundational principles are what have protected us from tyranny and made us prosperous and free, and until we AND OUR LEADERS recognize that we MUST have those foundations back and MUST do whatever unpleasant and unpopular work it entails to get them back, America doesn’t stand a chance against the communist-Islamist allies that are lined up against us and increasingly have their fingers in every radio broadcast and website available, while the courts claim nothing is any of our business except whether the coffee at McDonald’s is too hot and whether your BMI index is better than mine.

Until we wake up to the danger we are just an ambush in mid-progress. If the lawlessness that has surrounded Obama’s eligibility (even just the stuff that’s already documented, like forgery, perjury, broken laws and rules, alteration of official records, murder, bribery, and misprision of felony) isn’t enough to wake people up - even to the extent that some people are saying it’s just a “distraction” - then America will die comfortably in her sleep while muttering something about “those stupid people who keep complaining about a boa around our neck”.


1,437 posted on 04/28/2011 10:53:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Art in Idaho
This is a great juxtaposition. A reminder of the actual requirement. Would be great if the TXE mispelling in the alleged registrar stamp for Alvin were left in place.


1,438 posted on 04/28/2011 10:57:09 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Brown Deer

The AP version is a normal scan with antialiasing. The WH version is converted. Same thing happens converting jpg files to gifs....

1,439 posted on 04/28/2011 10:57:21 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

They both say “TXE” - nothing different.


1,440 posted on 04/28/2011 11:06:25 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Yep. Just a rubber stamp smudge.


1,441 posted on 04/28/2011 11:12:20 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

A smudge would show excess black, not excess white.


1,442 posted on 04/28/2011 11:15:56 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: rxsid

“”Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parens citoyens””

“The natives, or indigenes, are those who were born in the country of citizen parents.

You will note that indigenes is also an English word, needing no translation. You will also note that the equivalent french phrase to NBC (”sujets naturel”) is NOT found in that sentence, nor elsewhere in Vattel.

Another valid translation would be “The native or indigenous people are those born in the country of citizen parents.” Since indigene is not a commonly used English word...

You are welcome.


1,443 posted on 04/28/2011 11:22:40 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Brown Deer

In this case, it does both. Maybe a bit of lint or paper fiber was stuck to the thing.

There’s plenty of weird crap on that WH version. What you’re focusing on ain’t one of them.


1,444 posted on 04/28/2011 11:24:12 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: rxsid
Compare mine with the earlier translation of Vattel:


1,445 posted on 04/28/2011 11:24:47 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: moehoward

You’re focusing on it, not me. The fact is, there is an “X” on that stamp!


1,446 posted on 04/28/2011 11:29:00 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Mr Rogers
LOL. Pretty funny that you say I'm the one that can't read.

What your writting there is the Editor's opinion, NOT what the court found.

"It was held that she was a citizen of the United States."

Does that help? Or, should I increase the font even more?

LOL. And I'm the one that can't read. Geez dude. Seriously. It's one thing to have an opinion, but quite another to outright lie about the history.

1,447 posted on 04/28/2011 11:34:17 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Brown Deer

LOL!!! Ok..


1,448 posted on 04/28/2011 11:42:07 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: rxsid

No, dummy, I wasn’t quoting some editor’s opinion. I was quoting from the argument that the judge used in deciding the case. Dicta is not binding, but it provides guidance, and the Supreme Court approved of and followed the Lynch opinion in deciding WKA.

It shows that in 1844, there was a very strong case made that NBC = NBS, and that has never been refuted in the years since. The US Supreme Court endorsed it.

Further, it shows WHY that is the correct assessment. Of course, birthers aren’t good at reading complete sentences, let alone paragraphs and pages!

Funny that you think I don’t know what I’m talking about, when your side has never, ever won a case. Win a legal victory ANYWHERE and get back with me...


1,449 posted on 04/28/2011 12:01:12 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers; Norm Lenhart
As I already showed you a few posts up Mr Rogers, Lynch was found by the court to be a "citizen" and what you keep refering to is the opinion of the Editor of that publication, Samuel Owen.

You may not like the fact that the first circuit court of New York found Lynch to be a "citizen", but that's precisely how they ruled.

Regarding that state of Indiana case:
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents
Let's have a look at this amazing case from a state court in Indiana...

1. What does the "language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4" say?

Here's what it says:

The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.
What does that have to do with the NBC requirement for POTUS which is found in Clause 5?

2. Regarding this: "the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark", the state court of Indiana had stated this in the previous paragraph:

The Court held that Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen [Edit: "citizen", but NOT a "natural born Citizen"] of the United States “at the time of his birth.” 14
What does footnote 14 say?
We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution's Article II language is immaterial.
It's "immaterial" according to this ridiculous state court ruling.

So, this decision by the state court in Indiana stated the wrong Constitutional clause from where the actual requirement comes from AND they say they base their decision on WKA which found that a child born in country to non citizen parents (who were, [Key phrase], perminatly domociled here) was a "citizen" (they did NOT find him NBC)...and they admit it...yet they somehow find Barry NBC anyway?.

That, so called, "decision" is an embarrassment to the state of Indiana...and I say that with all due respect to any clear thinking Hoosier's out there.

 

Instead of looking to state court cases, which found Lynch and WKA to be "citizens", I prefer to look to the Federal level when dealing with the Federal Constitution.

Chief Justice Marshall, Chief Justice Waite, Justice Story and the House of Representatives that debated the issue of citizenship leading to the 14th Amendment (in particular framer Bingham) were all in agreement on who a "natural born Citizen" is.

Chief Justice Marshall:

"Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says "The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens."
in THE VENUS, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814).
Here, we see the great Chief Justice Marshall (who would have studied Vattel's legal treatise "Law of Nations" at the country's first law school...the College of William and Mary...introduced to the school's curriculum in 1779 by Thomas Jefferson) directly quoting, by name, Vattel's work specifically regarding citizenship.

Chief Justice Waite:

"At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar [edit: this nomenclature they were familiar with is directly mirrored to the definition found in Law of Nations...which the framers read and referenced during the Constitutional Convention], it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,"
in Minor v. Happersett (1875)

John Bingham, "father of the 14th Amendment", the abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln's assassins, reaffirmed the definition known to the framers, not once, but twice during Congressional discussions of Citizenship pertaining to the upcoming 14th Amendment and a 3rd time nearly 4 years after the 14th was adopted.

The House of Representatives definition for "natural born Citizen" was read into the Congressional Record during the Civil War, without contest!

"All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians." (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862)).

 

The House of Representatives definition for "natural born Citizen" was read into the Congressional Record after the Civil War, without contest!

every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))"

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the sovereign territory of the U.S.) was never challenged on the floor of the House. Without a challenge on the definition, it appears the ALL where in agreement.


 
Then, during a debate (see pg. 2791) on April 25, 1872 regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen (generally. they were not trying to decide if he was a NBC). Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.”

(The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872. And, since they knew he was, without a doubt, a natural born Citizen...he was, of course, considered a citizen of the U.S.)

The take away from this is that, while the debates and discussions went on for years in the people's house regarding "citizenship" and the 14th Amendment, not a single Congressman disagreed with the primary architect's multiple statements on who is a natural born Citizen per the Constitution. The United States House was in complete agreement at the time. NBC = born in sovereign U.S. territory, to 2 citizen parentS who owe allegiance to no other country.


1,450 posted on 04/28/2011 12:04:29 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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