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Orly Taitz: Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Should Say 'Negro' Not 'African'
TPMMuckraker ^ | 4/27/2011 | Ryan J. Reilly

Posted on 04/27/2011 10:54:31 AM PDT by jdoug666

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Taitz says she's not giving up her fight. She also claims Obama isn't a "natural born citizen" because she uses a standard that requires both parents to be American citizens -- a misreading of the Constitution which if enforced would have rendered several other American Presidents ineligible.

ALL U.S. PRESIDENTS HAD EITHER NATIVE-BORN OR NATURALIZED PARENTS (ALL OF WHOM WERE THEIR MOTHERS) AT THE TIME OF BIRTH. THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS CHESTER A. ARTHUR, WHOSE IRISH FATHER WAS NATURALIZED WHEN ARTHUR WAS 14. THIS STATEMENT IS A LIE!

1 posted on 04/27/2011 10:54:40 AM PDT by jdoug666
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To: jdoug666

I thought the EXACT same thing when I read those words!


2 posted on 04/27/2011 10:57:01 AM PDT by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: jdoug666
"In those years ... when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African'," Taitz says. "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options.

There must have been someone born in Hawaii in '61 with negro on the certificate.

3 posted on 04/27/2011 10:59:32 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: jdoug666

Actually, Buchanan’s father was Irish, as were both of Andrew Jackson’s parents. Also, Hoover’s mother was Canadian, and Wilson’s mother was English.


4 posted on 04/27/2011 10:59:54 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: jdoug666

Would they put “Ireland” as race?

I don’t think so.


5 posted on 04/27/2011 10:59:54 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: jdoug666

What African is not a race?

What’s next Muslim is not a race either?

/sarc


6 posted on 04/27/2011 11:00:45 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: jdoug666
Taitz is right. Unless Hawaii was in another world then, the term would have been "Negro". The whole "African" thing came later in the 60's - early 70's when the search for a politically correct term was on.

But in 1960, everyone from the President on down said Negro.

Be very, very unusual if that term wasn't used.

7 posted on 04/27/2011 11:00:51 AM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: republicanbred
Yes. ..just as 'American' is not a race. . .
8 posted on 04/27/2011 11:01:02 AM PDT by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: jdoug666

(page 246)
And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.

(pg 250)
6. Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/Lynch_v_Clarke_1844_ocr.pdf


9 posted on 04/27/2011 11:01:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: jdoug666

This will just fuel the fire...

father’s race .. AFRICAN???
dr.s name ... U.K. leLee (ukulele)???


10 posted on 04/27/2011 11:02:13 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... church of the Perpetually Offended!)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Jefferson’s parents were both English, but I don’t really think that counts, considering... well, so was Jefferson up until the revolution.


11 posted on 04/27/2011 11:02:50 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Isn’t Trump’s mother Scottish? Is he qualified?


12 posted on 04/27/2011 11:04:18 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: jdoug666

As always, Orly is right on target.

If you look on the Hawaii BC form, there is no Option to check the box for African.


13 posted on 04/27/2011 11:04:49 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton (Texan Pride)
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To: jdoug666

As always, Orly is right on target.

If you look on the Hawaii BC form, there is no Option to check the box for African.


14 posted on 04/27/2011 11:05:02 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton (Texan Pride)
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To: jdoug666

As much as both sides want this to be over... something stinks here.

There was no “political correctness” in 1961 and african would equate to “negro” back then.

Also, what’s with the faint writing in fields # 3, 7g, 9, 12b & 14?

Still seems to be a fake.

Remember folks, the left knows no bounds to claw their way to power and remain there.


15 posted on 04/27/2011 11:06:27 AM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: republicanbred

I dont know. I think its kinda getting stupid. Its been comical but African and Negro? not sure.


16 posted on 04/27/2011 11:07:00 AM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Both Trump’s parents were citizens before Trump was born.


17 posted on 04/27/2011 11:07:13 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: jdoug666

so the certificate say that his mother was “Caucasian”, should be “white”


18 posted on 04/27/2011 11:07:17 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: jdoug666

The new information in this article indicates that Obama changed his birth certificate information after 2003 because new Hawaii Department of Health terminology was used on the Certification of Live Birth that was posted on Obama’s website and FactCheck.org. Most likely he filed a Late Certificate of Birth after 2003, which contained the new race
identifier “African” for his father.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35884


19 posted on 04/27/2011 11:08:40 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: Uncle Slayton

What box do south africans check? Will kapoliani hospital claim obama? when will kapo news conference begin?


20 posted on 04/27/2011 11:09:13 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: ilovesarah2012
If he was born in the U.S. (which he was), then yes, he is.

The 14th Amendment says: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Emphasis mine. It seems pretty unambiguous. Anyway, isn't the point of this country that it doesn't matter who your parents are? All men created equal, etc. etc.
21 posted on 04/27/2011 11:09:19 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: republicanbred

Obama In Kenya: “I Am So Proud To Come Back Home”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pXa2pK6sg&feature=player_embedded


22 posted on 04/27/2011 11:09:26 AM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: Persevero

“Both Trump’s parents were citizens before Trump was born.”

I don’t buy this excuse, they need to be NATURAL BORN citizens, just to make sure.


23 posted on 04/27/2011 11:10:06 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (“An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.”)
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To: mewykwistmas

“I don’t buy this excuse, they need to be NATURAL BORN citizens, just to make sure.”

Trump needs to be a natural born citizen to be President. (which he is)

His parents need only be ‘citizens’. (which they are)


24 posted on 04/27/2011 11:12:19 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Don’t know if Buchanan’s father or Hoover’s mother ever became a citizens, but Jackson was born in the colonies and was a youth when we became an independent country.


25 posted on 04/27/2011 11:12:27 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: jdoug666

This is asinine. If Obama forged this he would have had experts on hand to make it accurate for a 1961 BC. They would not have done something as stupid as writing “african” in the box if they were forging it.


26 posted on 04/27/2011 11:13:13 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Uncle Slayton

The only difference I can see would be that Barry’s supposed dad REALLY was African. So comparing any other black baby born in Hawaii in 1961 with Barry would be like comparing apples to fruit cocktail. Now if you can find another AFRICAN who’s certificate says NEGRO...


27 posted on 04/27/2011 11:13:29 AM PDT by King Hawk
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To: 4rcane

Of course not! That would be ridiculous! It should read “Pacific Islander” as race.


28 posted on 04/27/2011 11:16:52 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: jdoug666
This 2nd COLB is a layed/edited PDF file!

Not just a scanned copy!

29 posted on 04/27/2011 11:18:31 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Regulator

Obama isn’t a Negro, African, Black or Colored. He is a Mulatto or Mixed race


30 posted on 04/27/2011 11:18:31 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Bigh4u2

“His parents need only be ‘citizens’. (which they are)”

sez who? You become a citizen by being married to one for 3 years and reciting an oath. In light of Obama theories, that’s hardly enough. Come clean Donald


31 posted on 04/27/2011 11:19:04 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (“An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.”)
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It will be interesting to see, if Jindal ever runs for President or wins the Nom, if similar arguments will exist, only flipped.


32 posted on 04/27/2011 11:20:44 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Would they put “Ireland” as race?

I don’t think so.

But Ireland is to Europe like Kenya is to Africa, so if you were born in Ireland, your birthplace would be Europe, if, Obama was born in Kenya, but his birthplace is shown as Africa. Just saying............

33 posted on 04/27/2011 11:22:00 AM PDT by khenrich (And people thought Jimmy Carter was our worst president........)
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To: Crimson Elephant
Orly Taitz: Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Should Say 'Negro' Not 'African'

"Well, to tell the family secret, my grandmother was Dutch."

34 posted on 04/27/2011 11:22:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Amazing. Taize is pushing the same "African" objection two years after it has been debunked.

FYI, parents are allowed to classify their race however they want on a birth certificate. If they don't like any of the categories listed, they can check "other" and fill in the blank. Obama's father, being an African nationalist, obviously preferred to classify himself as "African" rather than as "Negro."

35 posted on 04/27/2011 11:23:06 AM PDT by curiosity
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But in 1960, everyone from the President on down said Negro.

There was a comedian during the Johnson administration making a living doing impressions of the president.

One of his funniest one liners was, "Just when I learned to say neeegurow(negro) they went and changed it to Black."

36 posted on 04/27/2011 11:26:31 AM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Thats like saying Norwegian instead of Caucasian. It really is strange.


37 posted on 04/27/2011 11:26:37 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jdoug666

bttt


38 posted on 04/27/2011 11:26:43 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

all persons born in US may be citizens, but not natural born...

People need to start educating themselves and stop spewing stuff you hear on tv..


39 posted on 04/27/2011 11:28:27 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: jdoug666

“In those days nobody wrote African as a race,

It would be like describing Obama’s race as American, not Negro or Black


40 posted on 04/27/2011 11:30:11 AM PDT by chainsaw ("The government cannot give to anyone anything that it does not first take from someone else.")
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To: jdoug666

Didn’t the governor of Hawaii say a couple of months ago that there was no birth certificate on file in the state records for Obama? Yet today, a copy is released. WTF?

Why no embossed state seal on this copy also?


41 posted on 04/27/2011 11:30:59 AM PDT by sarah palin rocks
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To: jdoug666
As Alexander O'Neal would sing....



"You're a fake baby
You can't conceal it
Know how I know
'Cuz I can feel it.
You're a fake baby
No rhyme or reason
'Cuz in your mind it's lyin' season."

42 posted on 04/27/2011 11:32:10 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: jdoug666

I am old enough to know it should have been negro. As soon as it said African I knew it had to be a fraud.


43 posted on 04/27/2011 11:32:18 AM PDT by PORD (People Of Right & Duty!)
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To: jdoug666

It’s interesting that when the left fakes zero’s long form, they find themselves unable to use the verbage of the day, rather they must follow their politically correct belief system and put his father’s race as African. I’m surprised they listed his mother as caucasian and not whity :-)


44 posted on 04/27/2011 11:32:19 AM PDT by trailboss800
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To: ChurtleDawg
"This is asinine. If Obama forged this he would have had experts on hand to make it accurate for a 1961 BC. They would not have done something as stupid as writing “african” in the box if they were forging it.

Oh yes they would. I've seen forged documents costing tens of thousands of dollars, done by experts...who forgot Spellcheck doesn't always work. One supposedly official document was labeled "United State" of America. Another (I'm not kidding) displayed "Untied" States of America. Happens all the time to the best of forgers.
45 posted on 04/27/2011 11:33:43 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: ChurtleDawg
They would not have done something as stupid as writing “african” in the box

That would depend on the age of the forgerer. Someone 35 or younger may not even be aware of the historical usage of those terms.

46 posted on 04/27/2011 11:33:56 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: mewykwistmas

Are you pretending to be stupid? Or you just being obtuse?

“Donald Trump
born June 14, 1946 (Meets the 35 years Minimum age Requirement)

in Queens, New York, NY (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were:

Father: Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY

Mother: Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queeens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Married January 1936. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguninis Requirement)

Donald Trump is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN with sole allegiance (due to both his parents being US Citizens) to the United States and thus meets the founders intent to meet Article 2 Section 1 of the constitution for President. “


47 posted on 04/27/2011 11:35:33 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: TexasCajun
This 2nd COLB is a layed/edited PDF file!

Not just a scanned copy!

*********************

So whatever staffer created this was attempting to avoid the problem with the areas around the altered wording being blanked out.

48 posted on 04/27/2011 11:35:59 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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"It’s interesting that when the left fakes zero’s long form, they find themselves unable to use the verbage of the day, rather they must follow their politically correct belief system and put his father’s race as African. I’m surprised they listed his mother as caucasian and not whity :-)"



"My....what an unbelievable coincidence!"
49 posted on 04/27/2011 11:35:59 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: 4rcane

I am not sure about the white thing. I remember forms from that era not having “white” but “Caucasian”.


50 posted on 04/27/2011 11:38:13 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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