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Plea deal for teenagers charged over suicide of Phoebe Prince
Daily Mail ^ | 7:19 PM on 27th April 2011 | By Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 04/27/2011 5:26:58 PM PDT by Niuhuru

Five of the six teenagers charged with driving a 15-year-old Irish girl to suicide after an unrelenting bullying campaign have struck a plea deal agreement with prosecutors.

Despite denying the original charges of stalking, harassment and civil rights violations causing bodily injury they have now agreed to admit to a misdemeanour charge of harassment, and in exchange prosecutors will drop the more serious charges against them.

Kayla Narey, Sharon Chanon Velázquez, Ashley Longe, Sean Mulveyhill, and Flannery Mullins, all of South Hadley High School, faced felony and misdemeanour charges.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: arth; bullying; charges; civilrights; education; felony; harassment; highschool; massachusetts; misdemeanour; phoebeprince; pleadeal; prosecutors; school; stalking; students; suicide
I have to wonder about the consequences of these actions, that is, what they would be in another country.
1 posted on 04/27/2011 5:27:03 PM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Niuhuru

I’m thinking branding would be a good start.


2 posted on 04/27/2011 5:31:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

How gutless of our judicial system. I’m not even going to bother going to university. Online courses all the way.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 5:33:29 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Niuhuru

So, in other words they are getting away with murder, manslaughter at the very least. How very progressive and compassionate of the perps on the part of Ireland. Meanwhile, a 15 year old child is still dead because of their relentless actions to destroy her. Is no one being held accountable for their actions any more?


4 posted on 04/27/2011 5:34:13 PM PDT by NWFLConservative (Game On.......Fight Like a Girl!!...............Saracuda in 2012)
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To: NWFLConservative

“Is no one being held accountable for their actions any more?”

No, one must not make filth feel bad about their actions.


5 posted on 04/27/2011 5:36:13 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: NWFLConservative

This happened in Massachusetts. Sounds like they’re also dropping the statutory rape charge as part of the plea deal.


6 posted on 04/27/2011 5:37:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: NWFLConservative

This happened in Massachusetts, I think.


7 posted on 04/27/2011 5:37:13 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: Niuhuru

Welcome to the (m)Assachussetts judicial system.


8 posted on 04/27/2011 5:38:53 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: cripplecreek
Sounds like they’re also dropping the statutory rape charge . . .

No surprise in a state run by Planned Parenthood.

9 posted on 04/27/2011 5:40:22 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Niuhuru
Despite denying the original charges of stalking, harassment and civil rights violations causing bodily injury they have now agreed to admit to a misdemeanour charge of harassment, and in exchange prosecutors will drop the more serious charges against them.

Why bargain at all? What did these monsters have to offer in exchange? Now they escape being labelled for what they really are, and the State enables their release back into society to continue terrorizing it.

Oh. Sorry. I just answered my own question.

10 posted on 04/27/2011 5:47:32 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: NWFLConservative; metmom; wintertime
This is pretty bad. At the same time, these perps will be pariahs for years to come. Hate mail, perhaps death threats, shunning. Perhaps they'll have to change their names. Look at what happened to Lori Drew.
11 posted on 04/27/2011 5:50:25 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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To: Niuhuru
Hate to spoil the fun, but this was a trumped up media frenzy. The poor girl was a mess from day one and initiated a lot of the trouble. There should be no charges at all.
12 posted on 04/27/2011 6:14:49 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Clintonfatigued; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

13 posted on 04/27/2011 6:38:20 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Can you ‘splain?


14 posted on 04/27/2011 6:43:35 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Sounds to me like she was just an outsider (because she was a foreigner), and these twits were jealous because she was dating somebody they wanted to date. But she didn’t cause the trouble.

They did horrible things to her, and they were old enough to know better. But the people who should really be charged are any adults she may have contacted (guidance counsellors, for example?) who didn’t do anything about it because they were too intimidated by the teenage mob to exert adult authority.

But since public school teachers are out there sleeping with the football heroes themselves, maybe they’ve lost their authority.


15 posted on 04/27/2011 6:52:35 PM PDT by livius
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To: Dawgreg

All I know is that we have to be a better society and that starts from within. Personally I’d like to believe that conservatives are better but I’m seeing a lot of evidence to the contrary. Our society isn’t going to get better till we get better.

That means standing for what’s right even if we dislike or disagree with the person we’re defending.


16 posted on 04/27/2011 6:55:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Niuhuru

May they never know a peaceful moment.


17 posted on 04/27/2011 7:04:52 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: livius

End the government school system, and we will go a long way towards reducing bullying. Also, why do kids have to go through school as a herd? Tailor education to the individual learner, and children will be able to move on when they are ready. No more imprisonment for 12 years. The society of schools closely resembles that of prisons. They both feature compulsory attendance of a sort.


18 posted on 04/27/2011 7:14:00 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Talisker

“Now they escape being labelled for what they really are”

Not necessarily. Don’t take my word for it, just ask Lori Drew, who’s in hiding under an assumed name after pulling a similar stunt to this.


19 posted on 04/27/2011 7:38:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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To: Talisker

We have to be one of FEW countries in teh world that actually LET criminals negotiate their punishment.


20 posted on 04/27/2011 9:00:00 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

You’re entirely right in that. Another major feature is that it has kids with extremely disturbing behavioral issues to terrorize other students. It’s feral now and not about concentrating on schooling, but concentrating on social networking. This is why China and other ‘Third World’ countries have us topped when ti comes to professional accomplishment.


21 posted on 04/27/2011 9:06:33 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: novemberslady

Thankfully though they will have a record and will never be able to escape it. The charges will be there and there will be a conviction, something that will cripple their ability to get jobs and find decent spouses.


22 posted on 04/27/2011 9:15:29 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

We can only hope.


23 posted on 04/27/2011 9:15:54 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
End the government school system, and we will go a long way towards reducing bullying.

I was shocked to learn of the kind of bullying that goes on in public schools. A co-worker of mine went to a large metro HS in the ATL area, and his very matter-of-fact description of physical assaults and relentless intimdation shocked me. I thank heavens for the sacrifice my parents made in sending me to private schools. The kids weren't perfect, and there was certainly a clique of "cool kids," but the worst they seemed to do to their social lessers was ignore them.

Bullying, or even energetic teasing, would never have been accepted, and if you tried it, you would have a very irate adult dragging your butt to the driveway to hand you back to your parents for good.

24 posted on 04/27/2011 9:17:26 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: Forgotten Amendments; metmom; TigersEye
Really, want to back this up with links please. Sounds like you know something we all don't.

The poor girl was a mess from day one and initiated a lot of the trouble. There should be no charges at all.

So she was trouble & you know this how? And therefore she should die & nobody be charged? Shaking my head, so rape is ok etc? Because she was trouble she deserved to be raped & bullied until she killed herself.. I hope your links explain your sickening comments really well. Waiting for those links which are going to prove this 100%. Right?

25 posted on 04/27/2011 10:03:55 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
Hate to spoil the fun, but this was a trumped up media frenzy. The poor girl was a mess from day one and initiated a lot of the trouble. There should be no charges at all.And that's an excuse for the girl's behavior? The other girls just HAD to retaliate? Someone made them do it?

They couldn't have just ignored her or reported her to the authorities?

Blaming the victim is the easy way out.

26 posted on 04/28/2011 8:20:44 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Niuhuru

They would have never been charged in another country.

The young lady was promiscuous and took on the social network of a new school. She had sex with two boy friends of the alpha females. She put herself into a position where she was emotionally berated by these other kids.

The young lady was not mentally stable.
The young lady was an attention hound, who in the end, got all of the attention she was desiring.

Yes, the kids who berated her were nasty, horrible, assholes. But these cliques exist in all high schools. This stuff happens every single day.

It is unfair to other “similar” cases to use this case as the exemplar.

When these kids sign their book and movie deals we will finally hear their side of the story. You might want to withhold judgment until you hear both sides.

I live 15 miles from there. I know some of the players are the school. I know some of the players in the town.

This was a horrible incident, but there are gallons of blame to spread around to everyone.


27 posted on 04/28/2011 8:26:10 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Your observations are very good.


28 posted on 04/28/2011 8:27:15 AM PDT by livius
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To: pandoraou812

Check out the links on the local papers:

http://www.masslive.com You will have to search for them, but the stories are there.

The Prince girl was not forcibly raped. She engaged in consensual sex with a boy about two years older than her. In most states, that charge of statutory rape would not have been made.

The Prince girl attempted suicide when she lived in Ireland.

Those are facts.

The girls was not mentally stable from the get go.

It amazes me that the people on Free Republic will question the media when they do not question Obama on things like a birth certificate, but they accept hook line and sinker all of the crap presented by the local media.

Is is interesting that the District Attny that brought all of the charges, ran out of town before any trial date. The new DA took one look at this mess and wanted to cut a deal.

There is nothing there.

The deal was cut to get the kids to admit to the harassment, which is all there really was.

Do these kids deserve a swift kick in the ass? Yes. Absolutely. But did they derserve jail time because they could not diagnose a mental condition that had been missed by almost all of the school counselors and administrators.

As I said, I live nearby. Think about it. You have a media market full of kids just out of college getting swept up in this national frenzy. They simply dug it and looked for every angle that would get a reaction. The local DA loved being on the front page and GMA, and the Today show.

Of course they were going to whip this thing up as hard as they could.

But if you talked to local people, people involved in the school, people who knew the kids, people that worked in the legal system, you would get hints of the real story.

After they get the deals signed, you will hear the other side of the story. Then, if you still think there was forcible rape, harassment beyond what goes on in high schools every damn day, and someone a homicide or manslaughter I will respect your opinion. But if you are basing your opinion on news stories alone, you are going to be horribly surprised.

No part of this is clean. No part of it is right. But no part of it is criminal.


29 posted on 04/28/2011 8:40:15 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: Vermont Lt
Well stated. Bravo!
30 posted on 04/28/2011 8:52:08 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: Vermont Lt

Thank you for your information. We see a story a few months ago ( whatever) & its a sad one. Then we hear nothing until now. I feel badly for all involved. It would be nice if all the facts we stated the first time a story came out. And thank you for a very nice civil reply,have a great day!


31 posted on 04/28/2011 9:13:39 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.)
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To: Vermont Lt
The young lady was promiscuous and took on the social network of a new school. She had sex with two boy friends of the alpha females. She put herself into a position where she was emotionally berated by these other kids.

So it's OK for two high-school superstuds to have sex with a much younger girl if she comes on to them? And then it's doubly OK for the older high-school girls who are their customary sexual partners to harass the younger one to death? If you honestly believe that, then I hope you don't have children or work with children.

32 posted on 04/28/2011 11:56:08 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: madprof98
If you honestly believe that, then I hope you don't have children or work with children.

If you think a 17 year old should be convicted of rape for sex with a willing 15 year old, I hope you don't have children or work with children. Or law enforcement.

There's a difference between approval of a kid's actions and ruining the kid's life by bringing in the cops.

33 posted on 04/28/2011 2:43:33 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: madprof98

Much younger? How long ago were you in high school?

The girl strolled into the school and immediately put herself out there for the boys. And yes, it pissed off some of the other girls.

And they did nothing in terms of harassment than what goes on every single day. The girl was, to put it bluntly, nuts.

Those of you who think it was rape, who think this girl was an innocent little bystander who just got picked on need to take a step back and evaluate the situation in real time, not in your 1980’s mindset.

The media dances around the non politically correct aspects of this:

1. The girl had emotional problems and had tried to commit suicide BEFORE she even game to this country.
2. She actively pursued, and had sex with these young men. It was consensual and there was no forced aspect of it. Yeah, she was young. But turn on the TV folks, younger girls are having sex all over the place.
3. She was picked on, and bullied. There is no doubt about that. But in the context of high school life these days, she was not bullied more or less than any other kid who put themselves in the same position.

I have to ask myself how some of you are putting together your “impressions” about this case. If you write me and say you are a South Hadley Tiger or Parent, then i guess I will bow to you closeness and insider status. But if you are outside of that realm, you are falling victim to the politically correct media, and the media and legal whores in the area who are using this tragic situation for their own benefit.

Why does the rest of the Free Republic world not believe someone who is “boots on the ground,” but would take all of their information from the media who has been sensationalizing THIS case beyond what is true.

Now, I am also familiar with the case of the young man in Springfield who also committed suicide after being hounded by his peers. In that case, many a Freeper were making statements of his family, his parents, and his situation based on his color. My daughter played basketball with his sister and I know the family. I spent hours trying to dispell bullshit about that too.

The media sucks even worse at the local level than it does at the national level.

Don’t believe the crap that spews out of Barbara Walter’s mouth just because some pimply faced producer wrote the words.

I can assure you, that you do not know the entire story—because the kids’ lawyers would not let them talk to the press. Wait until you hear it all before you pass judgement.

And yes, I have two wonderful daughters who got through secondary school in a town local to, and worse in terms of the “mean girls” stuff, than South Hadley. And I have heard stories worse than this one in terms of cliques and groups that “gang up” on the “sluts.” It is not 1980 any more. It is a jungle.

If you haven’t experienced the high school world in the past ten years, I would tell you that you have no idea of what you are talking or writing about in terms of the social pressures and the new social norms.

It is truly hell on earth.

I am truly sorry for this girls family. I am also sorry that these kids were stupid, arrogant, and foolish. I used examples like these kids to teach my girls that there is a lot more to high school sex than worrying about getting pregnant.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 4:16:14 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: Niuhuru

If you honestly believe that, you have little experience with the legal system in this country.

Most of these will be talked down to misdemeanors, and the records will be eligible to be expunged in about five years—or just about the time they are going into the workplace.

Now my opinions are pretty strong on this case, but in general, the legal system has not been a “carry it with you forever” world for a long, long time.


35 posted on 04/28/2011 4:20:41 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: metmom

I am curious about how old you are, and whether or not you have daughters in a decent sized high school. You indignation tells me that you are either way passed that, or you haven’t had to endure high school as a parent yet.

Present the facts to them:

Cute foreign girl comes into school.
The boys are attracted to her, and she is “available”
She sleeps with the top girl’s boyfriend.
Then, when he dumps her, she sleeps with #2’s boyfriend.
When the clique finds out about it, he dumps her too.

Ask any teenage girl who is tied into her schools social network (the real one, not the movie) how that would turn out.

I am not for a second suggesting that the girl “deserved” to die. I am suggesting that there is plenty of cause and effect. The wild card was that Phoebe was mentally ill. The stuff that slides off most of our backs hit home with her. And she could not take it.

I am not suggesting that kids are OK to bully. But, they were behaving in a way that has been accepted in that environment for years. They had no idea that the girl was not stable. Even the school did not know that. Are we holding teenagers responsible for diagnosing mental disorders now?

To suggest that intimidation and bullying has not been going on for eons is just living in pretend world.

I hope you understand that I am not sticking up for the kids that taunted this poor girl. I am only saying that there was a lot of behavior that was inappropriate on both sides. If anyone should be flogged, it should be the parents of all of these kids.


36 posted on 04/28/2011 4:31:07 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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