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Obama Proposes Giving EPA More Power Over Water
Town Hall ^ | 04/28/2011 | Cain Burdeau

Posted on 04/28/2011 8:17:39 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP

The Obama administration proposed new guidelines Wednesday that would boost the government's ability to protect streams, wetlands and other sensitive waterways from pollution.

Business and property rights groups said the policy would stifle economic growth by generating more red tape for builders of homes and shopping centers, but environmentalists defended it as essential step to provide clean drinking water and protect waterfowl habitat.

Administration officials said their goal was to clarify which waters are subject to federal regulation under the 1972 Clean Water Act, a question that two Supreme Court rulings in the past decade have not resolved.

"Today about 117 million Americans _ more than a third of the U.S. population _ get their drinking water in part from sources that lack clear protection from pollution," Environmental Protection Agency chief Lisa Jackson said. "At the same time, businesses and regulators face uncertainty and delay" when seeking development permits.

EPA and the Army Corps of Engineers said the plan would not take effect until after a 60-day public comment period. Even then, it won't have the force of law, although field staffers will refer to the document when considering whether they have jurisdiction over particular waterways. The agencies' next step will be developing a set of binding regulations, Jackson said.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bloat; epa; epapowergrab; epawaterpowergrab; stockpilesong
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The "FIX" is in......They will be able to effectively shut down any Fracking, drilling, etc, if they get this additional power. And Obama will give it to them with out hesitation if he can.
1 posted on 04/28/2011 8:17:40 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It’s not just oil. This “wetlands” thing is TOTAL control over property. They are preventing people from doing ANYTHING to their property and destroying people with multi-million dollar fines, taking their property. The EPA is a NIGHTMARE.


2 posted on 04/28/2011 8:19:16 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

This is becoming more like the old Russia more every day.


3 posted on 04/28/2011 8:20:17 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

You took the words right out of my mouth.


4 posted on 04/28/2011 8:20:54 AM PDT by PENANCE
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I hope President Palin dissolves the EPA

and the ATF

and The “Department of ‘Education”’ otherwise known as the ministry of propoganda.

cut welfare and SS administration IN HALF (not payouts- administration) end crazy checks, mandatory 10 year jail term for welfare fraud etc etc...


5 posted on 04/28/2011 8:25:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

If you have a puddle on a dirt driveway that never goes away it’s considered a Wet land.


6 posted on 04/28/2011 8:26:32 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Good Idea giving the EPA power over water. Now they can order it not to flood when winter snows melt and heavy rains come.
7 posted on 04/28/2011 8:27:55 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (America is ailin' and the one and ONLY cure is Palin.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

sfl


8 posted on 04/28/2011 8:31:28 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It’snot the law I fear, it’s the regulations written by some nut in charge of an agency like the EPA.

Laws we can fight, regulations do not come from the legislature, but by some bureaucrat azzhole.


9 posted on 04/28/2011 8:33:24 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Mr. K

Projecting a bit are we?


10 posted on 04/28/2011 8:34:51 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

I live on a lake in GA. Thankfully Georgia Power manages this lake but the army corps manages the lakes that feed me and manage the Chatahooche river. I love the Army but they are clueless on “dam” management down here.
These proposals by the EPA with the corps as enforcers would be a disaster down here as far as use and enjoyment. And the EPA hasn’t got the slightest on-the-ground knowledge. Meetings I’ve been to with them in attendance feature snarky feminist eco nuts intent on protecting some damn inedible clam that lives in shoreline sludge - at the expense of any humans. A pox on all of them.


11 posted on 04/28/2011 8:36:14 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Power of water and carbon dioxide is getting close to total control. It’s no surprise that Obama wants this.


12 posted on 04/28/2011 8:36:26 AM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Switch off the EPA.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Seems as if S. 878 from the 111 Congress is being re-born.


13 posted on 04/28/2011 8:36:26 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Venturer

The EPA has also been given the authority to set it’s own fines and penalties. Sort of like the IRS. If they get their talons into a company or industry, they will strangle it until it dies.


14 posted on 04/28/2011 8:36:55 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Where the heck are the republicans? They’ve got the house. They can defund this and other rogue agencies, but they’re too busy “reaching across the aisle” and crying.


15 posted on 04/28/2011 8:38:40 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

END THE EPA NOW!


16 posted on 04/28/2011 8:39:54 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: meyer

17 posted on 04/28/2011 8:41:22 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Roccus

And yet our cowardly GOP leadership will do nothing! The TEA Party rebellion MUST expand with the new GOP/TEA reps! They must overthrow the old seniority rules as to leadership, defund EPA, NLRB and other vehicles of Obama tyranny!!! Fear never wins Mr. Speaker!


18 posted on 04/28/2011 8:41:44 AM PDT by FiddlePig (truth is hard... lies are easy - http://redneckoblogger.blogspot.com)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

boehner... boehner... boehner... BOEHNER?????????????

LLS


19 posted on 04/28/2011 8:50:14 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

In obama’s second term we’ll never know what hit us until after the totalitarian like regulations are in effect. Set in place by presidential fiat...executive order...in contempt of our Constitution. In a second term this clown will be completely unhindered in his quest to ruin this country. That’s why we need to get our crap together in a hurry!


20 posted on 04/28/2011 8:56:24 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
0 never met a bureaucratic power grab he didn't love.

More government, bigger government, more expensive government - that's the Obama way.

21 posted on 04/28/2011 8:58:55 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

“This “wetlands” thing is TOTAL control over property. They are preventing people from doing ANYTHING to their property”

I used to know a gal whose house was on the banks of the Cuyahoga River. Small township. Her kid’s sandbox and swingset were in the side yard. The township re-graded the swale on her side of the street. Due to that re-grading, her side yard filled with runoff every time it rained. She had dirt hauled in to raise the level, and planted new grass. The EPA came down on her like a ton of bricks.


22 posted on 04/28/2011 8:59:08 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Life is beginning to imitate The Simpsons Movie:

EPA Soldier: I’m afraid we lost them, sir.
Russ Cargill: Damn it! Well, then you find ‘em, and you get ‘em back in the dome! And to make sure nobody else gets out, I want roving death squads around the perimeter 24-7! I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here’s how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft!
[pause]
EPA Soldier: Sir, I’m afraid you’ve gone mad with power.
Russ Cargill: Of course I have! Have you ever tried going mad without power? It’s boring, no one listens to you!


23 posted on 04/28/2011 9:04:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Anyone trying to take my land over some EPA water rule will have to take all my ammo first, in the manner in which I choose.


24 posted on 04/28/2011 9:08:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: dfwgator

Oh, so true!


25 posted on 04/28/2011 9:10:28 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Once you’ve abliterated the US economy, devalued the US currency, blocked oil production on US soil, then that next most important step is controlling the water supply.

That way you have the whole populous by the nards


26 posted on 04/28/2011 9:10:40 AM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: pgkdan

Do you ever have that figured out! No BS there FRiend!


27 posted on 04/28/2011 9:12:24 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Of course they want control of production of energy, but more importantly to human life is the WATER. Those within govt already control where, when, why and how of water acquisition. Without free and unfettered access to water on your private property, how free are you? Answer is, not free at all.


28 posted on 04/28/2011 9:13:36 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: hope_dies_last

The majority of the population now rely almost completely on the Government for their ability to live or function.

This thing is almost over for us and nobody even notices or cares.


29 posted on 04/28/2011 9:14:43 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: pgkdan

Electoral theft is a specialty of 0’s minions from hell. After he is reelected, along with control of the House and Senate, just one death in the USSC means total control. It is coming, get ready for IT. IT is, just what is feared, totalitarian US govt, mowing down opposition with an army, and an army of bureaucrats backed up by “law abiding” citizens. I am not predicting it, I FEAR THIS DEEPLY.


30 posted on 04/28/2011 9:17:42 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The First Republic of the United States is just about over.
After the war, we may establish the Second Republic of the United States. Might be better; might be worse.
31 posted on 04/28/2011 9:17:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: hope_dies_last

If you have no money to purchase water, and no access to water without purchase from the govt, you can live only 3-5 days. Although living 2 days without water has been described as living hell.


32 posted on 04/28/2011 9:19:52 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The problem with that is, after the first, the majority of the population were devoted Christians and had strong moral convictions.

Today, most of the population is mostly just secular and amoral and would have no clue how to find a spiritual conviction.


33 posted on 04/28/2011 9:22:57 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Yes, it is surreal to watch. The scary part is the dual-pronged support for the advancement of a socialist type of government is fueled by both elite-minded classes of and by working class, lower-wage earning or non-working sheeple.

These ignoramous’s are paving the way for our own demise, in the name of power and subsidy.

On one side of the isle you have some contently dismantling our freedoms to gain power and on the other side you have the blind “huddled masses” going along with their game plan in exchange for a little more perceived comfort.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 9:26:44 AM PDT by hope_dies_last
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35 posted on 04/28/2011 9:28:10 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: runninglips
Having Ponetta as Sec. of Defense, we are in deep sneakers. He has always been anti-military and can hardly wait to get his hands on cutting defense spending.
37 posted on 04/28/2011 9:30:32 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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38 posted on 04/28/2011 9:35:33 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It’s a great thing that up here the Great Lakes area we have a compact with all the surrounding states and Canada.

The Kenyan is NOT free to redistribute the water here.


39 posted on 04/28/2011 9:49:07 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
не платят АООС
40 posted on 04/28/2011 9:53:10 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: MrB

Yep. That kind of thing happens from time to time. It drops off the news after 24 hours or so.


41 posted on 04/28/2011 10:03:02 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Oh good God!.....there goes fishing!....Damn you, Obama!


42 posted on 04/28/2011 10:14:13 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The new EPA flag......
43 posted on 04/28/2011 10:18:01 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The EPA needs to be defunded and abolished- yesterday. And while we are at it, repeal the Endangered Species Act. It has nothing to do with the little animals and everything to do with the leftist agenda of destroying American industry.


44 posted on 04/28/2011 10:45:22 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Yep...I believe this is all about fracking.

Fracking has never been shown to cause one person to be exposed to illness as a result of chemicals, yet they are acting like the whole world will die because of it.

This is to keep the US oil industry from major expansion in new drilling techniques. It'a a Waxman thing.

45 posted on 04/28/2011 12:13:10 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Good Idea giving the EPA power over water. Now they can order it not to flood when winter snows melt and heavy rains come.

S if the Republicans get power back, they just shut den the ports in all the blue states due to water pollution. The left and the unins will beg for the EPA to be shut down.


46 posted on 04/28/2011 12:21:37 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Who is John Galt?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

More layoffs coming in Huston and the Lizard controversy will probably shut down all of West Texas.

Keep your powder dry........


47 posted on 04/28/2011 1:11:08 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: EQAndyBuzz

btt


48 posted on 04/28/2011 1:15:10 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Hopefully. ;-)


49 posted on 04/28/2011 3:46:33 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (America is ailin' and the one and ONLY cure is Palin.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

They will go after fishing.
Think I’m joking?


50 posted on 04/28/2011 6:27:40 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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