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Obama's half-sister raises birth-certificate doubts
WND ^ | April 28, 2011 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 04/28/2011 7:56:01 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Claims despite 'adoption' by Indonesian stepfather, it is U.S. 'law' that matters

A statement from Barack Obama's half-sister has at least cast a shadow of doubt on the legitimacy of the "Certificate of Live Birth" document that was released by the White House this week in an attempt to stifle questions about his eligibility, by referencing his apparent adoption by her father, Indonesian Lolo Soetoro.

On a Facebook page, Maya Soetoro-Ng wrote to a woman who had met her in Hawaii after Madelyn Dunham, the mother of Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro and grandmother to both Maya and Barack, passed away in 2008.

Facebook page comments from Maya Soetoro-Ng

Soetoro-Ng was objecting to having a conversation with a critic of her half-brother, and said she had been misquoted as saying her whole family was Muslim.

She wrote, "I did not say my brother was a Muslim. I did say that I was more philosophically Buddhist. I told you that you were upsetting me. You said that you were not trying to upset me but wanted to know the truth about (Raila) Odinga (a Muslim for whom Barack Obama campaigned in the 2007 presidential race in Kenya). I told you I didn't know who that was and had never met him. You mentioned the adoption laws of Indonesia that you saw as related to my brother's legitimacy (you were suggesting that because my father, his stepfather, had adopted him, that my brother was no longer American) and I said that I had no idea about Indonesian adoption law."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adoption; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; indonesia; lolo; lolosoetoro; maya; mayasoetoro; mayasoetorong; naturalborncitizen; obama; soetoro
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1 posted on 04/28/2011 7:56:06 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

I can’t see how someone who was born American, then adopted by a foreigner, would no longer be American.


2 posted on 04/28/2011 8:06:04 PM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: RobinMasters

This is turning into a Gordian knot of conflicting data. Time to flush out the Augean stables.


3 posted on 04/28/2011 8:07:51 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: RobinMasters

4 posted on 04/28/2011 8:09:35 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Baynative

If Barry Soetoro wanted to renounce his citizenship, he may need to do it three times: US, UK, and Indonesian.


5 posted on 04/28/2011 8:11:51 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: RobinMasters

My guess is this is the reason he can’t show the real BC or any of his other records. It would show his legal name is not Obama and he’s been a fraud since he started using the name Obama.


6 posted on 04/28/2011 8:13:28 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Baynative

Indonesia at the time Barry Soetoro (aka Barak Obama) lived there allowed dual citizenship for children until age 19.

Barry Soetoro and his boyfriend, Chandoo, traveled to Pakistan in 1981. So what passport did the 20 year old Barry Soetoro use?

To leap forward a few years, Senator Barak Obama was quoted as stating that until he arrived in the U.S. Congress he had never had a passport.

What passport did Barry Soetoro use as an adult if Barak Obama said he had never had one.


7 posted on 04/28/2011 8:21:13 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Baynative
I can’t see how someone who was born American, then adopted by a foreigner, would no longer be American.

Be assured, they retain their American citizenship. It makes no difference that Indonesia, for example, doesn't recognize it. Only that the U.S. recognizes the child's birthright.

8 posted on 04/28/2011 8:21:23 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Don Corleone
"This is turning into a Gordian knot of conflicting data."

Which is precisely why it should have been nipped in the bud, before the smokescreen was allowed to build. In theory, the media and his democrat primary opponents should have pushed this issue until resolved, but of course that was not going to happen (although I will credit Phil Berg with being the only one to give it a try). Barring that, the McCain campaign should have insisted that this be satisfactorily resolved. Knowing the dems and the media would be complicit, it was McCain's duty to run this rabbit down, and he epically failed his nation.

9 posted on 04/28/2011 8:21:31 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SatinDoll

I believe that the dual nationality until age 18 has only been allowed since ~2007. I have lived in Indonesia for 27 years, and have four children here. None were allowed dual citizenship before 2007.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 8:29:21 PM PDT by punchamullah
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

At least the Don rode alone... these birthers are dragging us with them.


11 posted on 04/28/2011 8:34:25 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Baynative

He would still be considered a US Citizen.

Problem here is the Birth certificate is now considered fraudulent. When adopted, an amendment should be placed on your birth certificate. I see no amendment notations! Did he legally change his name back? Again, no amendments!


12 posted on 04/28/2011 8:35:59 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Which is precisely why it should have been nipped in the bud, before the smokescreen was allowed to build. In theory, the media and his democrat primary opponents should have pushed this issue until resolved, but of course that was not going to happen (although I will credit Phil Berg with being the only one to give it a try). Barring that, the McCain campaign should have insisted that this be satisfactorily resolved. Knowing the dems and the media would be complicit, it was McCain's duty to run this rabbit down, and he epically failed his nation.

How in the hell does Joey Farah escape culpability for his role? GOOD GRIEF!!! The man was financing billboards to promote this hoax. He's done the kind of damage to the conservative movement Olbermann can only dream of.

ALL FOR WHAT!?! To get Obama to reveal his hidden secret that he was born in Hawaii?

13 posted on 04/28/2011 8:39:52 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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14 posted on 04/28/2011 8:42:32 PM PDT by RedMDer (restoration of our honor, dignity, and freedoms will save America. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Joe 6-pack

McCain also had problems. That is why Republican Tom Coburn co-sponsored Sen. McCaskill’s bills (D-MO). Both parties threw the Constitution overboard in their frenzied attempt to become eligible.


15 posted on 04/28/2011 8:46:43 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: SatinDoll

Actually, I don’t think his real name at the time of his birth was Barry Soetoro. His mom wasn’t married to his adoptive father at that time. Its possible his given name was Barry Obama, or Barry Dunham,if she didn’t know who his father was.

Its all pure speculation and I’m sick of him and everything about him.


16 posted on 04/28/2011 8:57:14 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Tex-Con-Man

By releasing this birth certificate, it is now obvious that there was a conspiracy to make Obama eligible. The birth certificate ACCEPTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION as true (this time) shows that Obama cannot be a natural-born citizen because Obama Sr. was a British/Kenyan citizen at the time of Obama Jrs. birth. Both parents have to be US citizens at the time of Obama Jrs. birth.

The conspiracy took place in the Senate Judiciary when Claire McCaskill got SR 511 passed saying McCain was eligible and Obama “...Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the USA and were understood to be eligible to be President: and..” was “allowed” to be eligible. All who voted for SR 511 violated the Constitutional requirement to be President.

The question is NOW will anyone step up and admit their treasonous behavior and correct the situation. So far no one has the courage and integrity to do so, least of all the one who knew he was destroying our country—Obama.


17 posted on 04/28/2011 9:02:42 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: RobinMasters

I wouldn’t take seriously anything posted on Facebook. For all we know, “Maya Soetoro-Ng” could be an imposter. Facebook makes no effort to require registrants to prove they are the people they claim to be. When Maya Soetoro-Ng publishes an article on any serious news site, I will take note.


18 posted on 04/28/2011 9:06:13 PM PDT by giotto
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To: Catsrus

I agree, but this time Obama has boxed himself in by publicly acknowledging this birth certificate as the true one. Names, dates, parents, etc. He can’t back out now. Everything on it is fair game. See # 17.


19 posted on 04/28/2011 9:06:59 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: Catsrus

Slippery Daddy O didn’t acknowledge baby Barry in 1962 on his immigration papers.

Btw, what was Ann doing in the Phillipines. Anyone have a guess?

I wonder what Obama thought of his father when he saw those immigration files.


20 posted on 04/28/2011 9:08:45 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: charlie72

You are wrong. Sr was already married. He couldn’t confer status.

Or was he.

When backed into a corner he told someone he told Kezia he divorced her and that was enough to divorce her.

The guy was a playboy lying fool. He had woman falling all over him.

The immigrations files are a hoot.


21 posted on 04/28/2011 9:11:29 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: charlie72

Ooops I misread your post. You arent claiming Obama is a British citizen as some are.

But you are wrong about what constitutes an NBC. It’s not settled.

All you have to do is listen to oral arguments in Nguyen to see that.


22 posted on 04/28/2011 9:12:52 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: punchamullah

Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann were living in Jakarta (1965-1971) during a dictatorship, when the nation was a police state.

Anti-Americanism was widespread and their son was registered to attend public school.

The school registration, a copy of which I saw back in the summer of 2008, stated that the boy was Barry Soetoro, his father was Lolo Soetoro, the boy was Muslim and an Indonesian citizen.

To prove the above, Lolo would have had to provide identification. In the U.S., school districts require birth certificates. I assume Indonesia would have required the same or an equivalent.

If what you say is true, then Barry Soetoro had Indonesian citizenship and a passport. It is known that he traveled between Indonesia and Hawaii a few times, and it wasn’t on his mother’s passport as documents from the State Department show he was removed after 1965.


23 posted on 04/28/2011 9:22:59 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: RobinMasters
Michelle Obama is a racist birther . She says his home country is Kenya.

“Barack has lead by example, when we took our trip to African and visited his home country of Kenya...”- Michelle Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Kk3OMRqO7aY

24 posted on 04/28/2011 9:48:00 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: SatinDoll

The school registration did, indeed, state all that you posit, and BS was , somehow, regarded as an Indonesian citizen. It would have taken a bit of doing to secure for BS the Indon citizenship, but, then as now, with properly placed funds, you can do anything here. Further, ol’ Lolo had a gubmint job, which presumably greased the ways.

As posted several times previously in this forum, I tried to do a bit of sleuthing re: these matters back in ‘09 through aquaintences in the Imigrasi, but was told that all had been scrubbed in 2007 by some visiting Yanks.


25 posted on 04/28/2011 9:50:44 PM PDT by punchamullah
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To: YellowRoseofTx

And yet, so many American politicians gave him a pass on the BC issue. Isn’t it time that they undergo a thorough investigation as to the reason of their lackadaisical attitude?

What is their attitude towads national security? Just as laissez-faire?


26 posted on 04/28/2011 9:51:06 PM PDT by 353FMG (The M1911 is mightier than the sword.)
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To: RobinMasters

(Raila) Odinga (a Muslim for whom Barack Obama campaigned in the 2007 presidential race in Kenya).

And that right there is a violation of the Logan Act.

Is that racist?

Oops.


27 posted on 04/28/2011 10:19:06 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: punchamullah

Yep.

Those “Yanks” were Democratic Party operatives. They arrived on July 4, 2007, and spread around $150,000 to buy up all of the official records of Barak Obama and Soetoro family photographs.

If you already know all about it you won’t need to read below, but it underscores what a terrible person Obama really is.

See for further details:

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-throwing-papau-under-bus.html


28 posted on 04/28/2011 10:33:46 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: RobinMasters

He was listed on Lolo and Ann’s divorce as a college student. He wouldn’t have been listed, especially at that age, if he weren’t legally bound to Lolo.


29 posted on 04/28/2011 10:50:19 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Joe 6-pack
the McCain campaign should have insisted that this be satisfactorily resolved

Oh, puleez! Uncle McLame was pimping for the usurper in his "you don't have to be afraid of him" speeches. The entire GOP campaign was a farce. McCain wasn't any more eligible than the usurper is. For that matter, the next largest vote getting ticket was Nader and Gonzalez and Gonzalez wasn't eligible either. The whole election was a farce.

30 posted on 04/28/2011 10:57:36 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: RobinMasters

bookmark


31 posted on 04/28/2011 10:58:19 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Ignoring the NBC clause?


32 posted on 04/28/2011 10:59:26 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: charlie72

The SR511 committee members and Chertoff all agreed that NBC meant TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS. Granted, they threw out the born on US soil, but the usurper signed his name to it in agreement of the parents, with an “s”, meaning. Right there he tied himself into it and there’s no wiggle room to dance a little sidestep to get out of the meaning. With him claiming this newly released document as his real bc (fake or not, he claims ownership of it) and it lists a foreign father then he just admitted to the world he’s not eligible. See my tagline.


33 posted on 04/28/2011 11:05:59 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: RummyChick

Kezia stated in an interview that there was no civil ceremony. If there wasn’t a civil ceremony, then it can’t have been recorded. Kenya might accept jumping the broom marriages but the US courts like to have documents as proof. Either way, this current piece of paper (for whatever it’s worth) states Sr. is the papa and Hussein has always claimed he was. The US Constitution doesn’t say anything about the parents’ marriage status, just that the POTUS be a NBC.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 11:11:42 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: punchamullah; SatinDoll

“RUTHLESS: Obama’s Mop Up Man, Faleomavaega, Scrubs Indonesia”

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/obamas-mop-up-m.html


35 posted on 04/28/2011 11:17:26 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: bgill

It all goes back to the fact that Obama was not elected, he was selected (by the back room powers) to be president. The sheer shock of his elevation to such prominence as the economy began to wane, obliterated all the immediate questions and mystery of his background and criteria.

And of course the MSM bought into all of it, especially the MSM suits who were likely promised wondrous things to be complicit.

He was selected to do what his shadow government could not overtly accomplish, though I believe it was their intent to inflict as much socialism on this country as possible before voters wised up and ejected him in the 2012 election.

The programmable and expendable empty president.


36 posted on 04/28/2011 11:25:35 PM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Perhaps the reason the Republican leadership has been running away from the certifigate issue is because by accusing Obama of not being a NBC they expose themselves to accusations of being racist by way of comparison how they treated McCain (a white non-NBC who was nevertheless permitted to run).

Credit where credit is due: it seems that Obama’s “McCain the campaign” may be having the side effect of strategically inoculating Obama himself to charges from Republicans of not being a NBC later on.


37 posted on 04/28/2011 11:44:08 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: bgill

Your arguments are wrong on so many levels.

There is no definition of NBC other than the strictest and that doesn’t mean it is the ONLY ONE. If you listen to the oral arguments you will see SCOTUS differs on their views.

Therefore it is not settled law.

Sr’s marriage status is most relevant depending on what argument you are trying to use to say he is ineligible.

If all you are arguing is that both parents must be US citizens then their marriage is not relevant BUT THE LAW IS STILL NOT DECIDED.

IF you try to argue - as many are doing - that Obama was born a British citizen then Sr’s marriage status is most relevant.

Look at the timeline of those immigration documents and what was said when.

There are a lot of things fishy with this story.

No one..NOT EVEN SCOTUS - knows what defines an NBC

IT IS ALL CONJECTURE AT THIS POINT.

Furthermore, tribal marriages WERE RECOGNIZED BY BRITISH LAW. No document needed.


38 posted on 04/29/2011 7:13:33 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: SatinDoll; bgill

Thanks for the links. I had not yet read them.


39 posted on 04/29/2011 8:26:22 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: Baynative
I can’t see how someone who was born American, then adopted by a foreigner, would no longer be American.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He would no longer be a NATURAL BORN citizen. They could still be a citizen, though.

Also...It is possible that his mother and adoptive father renounced his American citizenship. At this point Obama would need to re-establish this citizenship as an adult. Did he do that if necessary?

And....What passports did Obama use to travel?

40 posted on 04/29/2011 8:31:56 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Baynative

I’d love to see his college applications / financial aid forms. That might be one answer to your question.


41 posted on 04/29/2011 8:34:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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